I was there too remember! My thoughts.
 

They put us in a room. My point again is that, and you know me, if the rules are tap on the board with a flashlight I play by them. To date, whenever I have left Michigan I have tried to gain knowledge of why people do things the way that they do. I am diversified enough to move out of my comfort zone. Mike, I stated that the coaches came because of the league, not because it was being hosted in Vegas the following year. I for one was all for that and have stood side by side with the Coast on many an issue. This circuit idea is all good with me and I conveyed that to Bruce when he asked me to look in and post yesterday. To be honest I had been to busy to notice it.

Now, in my original post I addressed FOB, ATT, and passing methods. I chose not to throw rulesets out there because in my reading it seemed the slightest dissent has been met with force.

I stated my opinion and if you disagree fine. It is even okay to have an exclusive circuit for the PROS which I am one.

But since it is a PRO league the tournaments need to be run by real referees as the stakes will be very high. Yet another offering

I will go back to working to get average Joe back into the hobby, not the sport!

I will leave you guys to this hard core, or grass roots portion of the hobby. I will continue toward my goal of getting hobbist involved at a different level. Once the dust is settled, whatever the ruleset, I will play.

Out

"IMAGINATION" & the lack there of
 

Here we are in "2010" playing a "Board Game" introduced roughly 60 yrs ago, in an age of high technology. Our membership is dropping, not growing and every year that passes it gets worse, while other hobbies such as ping pong, billiards, fooz ball, RC racing of all types, darts hell even scrabble has an audience & respect on the street, with no changes, Why dont we?:confused: with some being in the olympics! we have some of the most creative & innovative members of any hobby, some can even be considered scientist, imagine that!:eek:artist is easy for all of us but we hesitate to call ourselves "PROS" as if that was an insult. by creating something real we have a bases from which to call ourselves real pros at what we do and take our place among those hobbies prior mentioned. By forming a "PROFESSIONAL" league we gain credibility with the public, that way when we get the "mic" interviews and such, we have something more than just a "discription" to offer. We can begin to make celebs out of the "GRECOS""NATIONALS"BAXTERS"HULK"ect. because they are viewed as pros. Some of the points raised were directed at the "MARKETING COMMITTEE" image what u can do with the word "PRO". We are the hobby "SPORT" with all the skills of a professional, we can shape it in "OUR" image, as no 1 intity can do it alone!

A "professional" gets paid to play a sport. We are not paid to play this game and I hope that never happens. I don't have much doubt who the best players of the game are...and I don't need consensus on a set of rules to prove that to me. Mike Robertson, Celo and a host of others will win more than they lose, regardless of the rules we choose. I hate the push to a national set of rules, because it causes folks in each region that want to be the champs to push their leagues to adopt those rules. It compromises the integrity of the local events and I think that ends up hurting attendance and enthusiasm.

Why can't we just celebrate what we have? I see nothing wrong with offline MFCA games during a regional tourney...but I wish we could get away from a push to nationalize everything under an umbrella set of rules. Is it really for the love of the game, or is it for egos?? As I said before, I know that if I want to travel to Canton, then I play by their rules. It kind of sucks, but it is reality. It has made it hard for the guys who travel, but given a few more cracks at it, they will adapt and overcome. I do know that I would have a good time in Canton no matter what and I would meet great folks! I have been blessed to enjoy the company of a great crew of guys (and gal) here in Los Angeles and even more so, because of the visits from enthusiastic visitors like Weirdwolf, Mike Robertson, Mantarey Dre, Reggie, Pretty Boy and many more. Yeah...I am a PAC-10 homer, but I love what we have out here. I want to enjoy life more than I want to worry about winning. It is a game with little plastic men on a vibrating field. It is a toy from my childhood and it helps keep me young. I don't want a drive for glory to suck all the fun out of this hobby.

Professionals?
 

I know what you are trying to say - but I would consider EXPERTS or MASTERS more appropriate terms to describe the best in our game. To my knowledge none of our coaches make their living from competition in the game? Are there any tournaments or league that even give cash awards? Other than Miggle is their any coach or individual that makes their living SOLELY from miniature football business?

Like I said - I know what you are trying to say - just EXPERT or MASTER seem to be more fitting for a description.

National title means bigger audience, and curiosity, than a local city league. Simply as that. Put country name + championship on a poster or flyer, and you'll find audience. Make the same poster, replace the country name by a city name, and the audience will not be there.


Not speaking of rules, pros or whatever. Just bring a national title to the hobby, and perhaps tommorow, a world title :D

To create that national title, you need local competitions to create local champions, wich will play regionaly under the same official rule, then will become regional champions under that particular official rule.

Then, these regional champs will play under the same official rule, and one will become national champion, under that official ruleset, endorsed by THE ONLY ONE OFFICIAL NATIONAL/INTERNATIONAL STRUCTURE THAT HOBBY HAS.

I don't get what 's the problem in here. :confused: If someone does not want to participate to that national championship, he just has to not participate, don't you think ?

Whats the goal!
 

Am I missing something?:confused: I havnt mentioned paying anyone, I consider myself a professional of many things rather I get paid or not. The word "PRO" only applies to those that choose to wear the label, through there dedication to the game, & "WILLINGNESS TO TRAVEL". Why do u guys keep tryin to apply anything ive suggested to the local level. There has always been a "National" agenda or effort to unite the community as a whole, all im suggesting is getting serious about it! Im not a member of any group or organization, never written a rule book, never organized a league, always accepted what was handed down to me from others. Never suggested or implemented any type of event where my products were exclusive. Im sure theres others that feel as I do, how to make it happen is the challenge.

Speaking French!
 

Thank u hommie! mgngcrz rules written by the coaches themselves, rattified by the MFCA!ppls$

Heads Up!
 

The suggestions I propose are in no way an attempt by me to further any personal goals, but a deliberate attempt to bridge some of the gaps that disconnect us from each other, even when we are in the same building ie. Great Lakes as it stands now, Mid-Ohio last year, CBSMF struggling, Miggle struggling, low turnout, personal gripes, & low confidence as a whole, its easy to say, its just a hobby, But to sit back & pretend as if these issues dont exist is suicide. It would be convenient, or if I was a Corporation required by law, to persue personal gain, we wouldnt be having this convo. I have personally p.m.ed all of the major venders, asking for there support, u know:confused: if Im wasting my time, or others have something in the works just let me know, Ill just assume return to the lab!wnnrcgr the madness will always continue..........

You know what...
 

just putting my thoughts out there - my opinion.

I believe that is what was asked for in the title of this thread.

Just like when I post info, scores, stats, videos, pics for the leagues I participate in.

Many here ARE Miniature Football Masters and/or Experts - excluding myself. :)

"Much Needed"
 

With the best of intentions Art, no doubt, u see this is the hard part, expected, welcomed & neccessary. I didnt start this, with the expectations of being greeted as a saint, if we are to go any further than where were at, hard ?'s has to be raised with real solutions. I dont pretend to have all the answers, only suggestions. Wait till we start to define the word "PRO" as pertaining to the hobby!:confused: mgngcrz :eek: :mad:

Bruce,

I really want to see what you are proposing. I don't think it is that far off from what we are considering in trying to come up with a series of MFCA regional tournaments.

What do these have in common? How many different ways can you play ping pong, billiards, fooz ball, etc...? One set of rules and standardized equipment with nationally sanctioned competitions by a ruling organization.

Dimitri,

I really don't get what the problem is either.

returning for the beta testing ruleset, I found some things I can give you my opinion on (wich is, if i understood correctly, the point of the topic)

first, no clock on formations deployement. I think it's a strange choice for tournament.

Other thing is the duration of the game. I think it's a way to long for tournament rows.

Other thing : the "see some space between bases" statement, for formations. Here 's again, you need an official measurement. Perhaps some markers or rulers to check legallity of the formations spacing around the bases.

Remember that we are speaking of an official ruleset wich should NOT BE SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATIONS. You can't let "holes" in the ruleset, because the risk is to see one interpretation in NY, another one in Texas, etc, etcc...and the day you'll make regional or national tournament rows, no one will know what choice to do, and people will not be happy :D


I tought about another thing yesterday....But I can't remember it for now :D Tonight after work, I'll read the rules again to figure it out.

"WHY IS THAT"
 

Im confused fellas,help me to understand:confused: we greet each other at these Tournaments, like we know each other personally. We have discussions face to face, phone convos, emails & p.m.es, about this very subject, with a general agreement that something more is desired, but when we get behind a computer screen something changes?:confused:like all of a sudden we dont know each other, no clue what your talking about.mgngcrz Why do every time someone suggests alternative methods of doing things, its viewed as if they have a hidden agenda, not just me, but many others before me, some of which dont participate anymore because of that?:confused: Why do coaches profess that they play different rulesets on the road anyway, rules dont matter, I can adjust, my coaching skills are "AMAZING":eek: but when u put 'em in a room together, theyll rather quit, than pick one?:confused: Why do people think, that after years of supporting each other, the guys that I see on the road are the same guys for the most part, that I seen going back 10yrs. for some of u longer, Im fairly new compared to some of u guys. But somehow its going to suddenly BOOM!mgngcrzovernight! It will be as we leave it!:confused:most of us have grandchildren, thats another 2 generations right there! when is all of this suppose to happen?:confused: Why do guys after years of friendship, some of which go back to childhood, then overnight, mortal enemies, over this game! whats that about!:confused: This is FOOTBALL game or not, a win at all costs attitude has been bred into all of us, and those that played organized ball know what im talking about, litteraly!ltsplbll "SPORTSMANSHIP" was the tool to slay that beast, alot of us need to work on the "SPORTSMANSHIP", because the "WIN AT ALL COSTS" mentality is here to stay!:confused: If fellowship is the purpose, wouldnt it seem prudent to start at home.:confused:Just wandering. would like to hear from u guys on this one.:confused:

for you wolf
 

ok wolf and all coaches

There are a few basic questions that have to be answered first:

* Will games be timed or be based on a set number of plays?
my answer is a set # of plays

* How to handle passing? Turn and burn ... Attack passing ... pass placement, etc. A hybrid?
my answer is Attack passing with QB only

* Single stop or multi-stop?
my answer is Single stop

* Front-of-base tackling or any touch?
my answer is Front-of-base tackling on run plays and any touch on pass plays

* Implementation of dice and if so, for what?
my answer no dice

These are all good questions. I also agree with alot of what Mega said above. I wish I had the time to vibe with more of you guys more often, and comment on these topics. That's my only regret in my EF world.

Anyway, why not elect Lynn, and a board of 5 of THE most respected coaches in the country, and hammer out a univeral rule-set. Maybe this was mentioned before, I don't know. Good topic, though.

Why - a few reasons...
 

Dimitri - in a post on another thread made these points which I think clearly describe the challenge facing us.

I teached the game to a friend, in about 1half hour he was ready to play. I won the game, but he was able to play, being a total beginner in american football. Since he's not a board game geek he didn't involved much, sadly. Since he 's not a board game geek. I believe in our countries, it's a point more important than being a football specialist.

"Here, "football specialists", for most of them, watch games on tv and sometimes play madden. You will not take them off their seat easily to do something with more involvement. Especially because, as in cheap american comedies, board games, miniature and stuff like that has that negative "geek" image (you know, typical image of the football captain making fun of the glasses guys of the high school chess club)."

I know when I share with people my miniature football involvement they often look at me as if I have 5 eyes or something. Most think the game is long gone and have no idea where it has evolved to. Wolf's recent interview was great - but as they say - seeing is believing - and the nice thing about the BAM playing at The Toy Wiz is we are right in the middle of everything and different "game geeks" and others check out what we are doing whenever we are there.

If we want to promote what we are doing we have to promote the game in high visibility areas whenever possible and represent ourselves in a completely positive manner. Tournaments in common areas of mall - not the conference room. Might not be as cozy - but highly visible. And as Miggle is the entry level outlet to this game we need to partner with them to host events out in view for all to see - it will should help them as well as all of us.

Bruce, I love your passion for this and I agree that a collective "national" league that we could all be proud of would be great for the hobby.

My two cents...

Keep it simple, and all inclusive... and to me this means more of a tournament circuit format than regular season games, schedules, playoffs, etc. I think an MFCA national league would be more realistic (and successful) if it partnered with the regional tournaments and was created as a series of tournaments rather than played as a league with a regular season and playoffs....the MFCA tour! We could run it like the Fed Ex Cup in golf (points for placement in the preapproved tournaments, with points dependant on # of coaches playing) and then a grand finale tournament for the MFCA championship (with MFCA rules), with seeding coming from the "regular season tournment circuit" point standings.

An MFCA sponsered tournament circuit could provide critical support for the local tournaments, encourage participation and grass roots growth for the hobby, and it with some simple planning can be achieveable in 2011!

(1) The local tournaments are a life bood of the hobby, and this format would hype up the local/regional tournaments and lend support and prestigue to them and encourage participation! In this format we create a WIN-WIN for the grass roots local/regional tournaments and the "big picture" and that would be a bond that ties us together, rather than wedge us apart. Can you imagine checking the "standings" after each tournament and the fun it would be to rank and specualte.
(2) it will create the grass roots effort that is needed to encourage new participants to compete. Anyone can come play and be apart of these tournaments...heck, we could even award tournament points to coaches who recruit a new coach to play in a tournament. An individual can start small with one local tournament and you can build your "tournamnet schedule" at your own discretion and timetable (no demanding pressues...this is important for many!)
(3) this is achievable! Every person's schedule is different and getting organized for a league is very demanding. However tournament format is a fresh start each time, encourages and promotes participation, if one guy doesn't show up the plan doesn't get spoiled, there are no teams that are 0-10 feeling hopeless, you can attempt to compete in a tournament without worry of not meeting a long term league committment, and overall tournaments are a great way to play. By combining forces into a unified tournament circuit we have a way to create something BIG out of what we already have without it becoming overly demanding on our schedules/lives.

I want to go to LA for the OPEN RUN, I want to go to BELTSVILLE, I want to go to DIXIE, I want to go to a Jim Davis run tournament in Detroit, I want to have a tournament in Indianapolis or Chicago, etc, etc. If we tie these great events together like one big family of events maybe these events will have the support to be even more successful.

Sorry if thats more than 2 cents. mgngcrz
Joe

I got news for you Artlax, malls charge you to hold events in the "common" areas, the fee can be upwards of $1000. That has been the discovery out here in Los Angeles.

The community rooms are free or can be rented for a nominal fee.

Much appreciation
 

Thank u guys for hearing me out on this, I know we got a long way to go but at least were now holding, a serious convo about the things that are holding us back. Guys out west stay with us on this, your support, will truly make this a national effort.

I just want to add, that some wonder how this meets the mission statement of the MFCA. In short, having something that presents a national championship goes along way toward the promotion of the hobby, gives us validity as a serious competition that could attract a sponsor and gives us a better shot at getting sponsors, so it does tie into the mission statement and the marketing of this hobby/game/sport.

JUST MY TAKE ON THE SITUATION.
 

The perception of what we do needs to be changed by we, the mfca members that fuel this entity. WE MUST BEGIN TO CONSIDER WHAT WE DO A SPORT. When an outsider hears or sees hobby, they may take a i'll look into later attitude. When a person hears or sees sport, they may act alot sooner in getting ivolved. This is due to men having that competative spirit in many things. The art of battle in the sports world. There are many organized basketball leagues throughout the country that do quite well.

Therefore a standard rule administered by the MFCA must be in place to have structure.Just because a paticular ruleset is played in one region, that does not mean everyone in that region likes that ruleset and may be looking for something else. WE NEED TO SPEAK TWO LANGUAGES.

All coaches should be fluent in the ruleset they like and a STANDARD RULESET admistered by the association the are a part of. This will allow yourself flexibility all over the world. two big tourneys i have seen come to mind.

1)my first and their second seawall brawl

2)the miggle in baltimore.

They both were jammed packed wall to wall. I WAS THERE LIVE IN THE FLESH.
many coaches from different regions and rulesets showed up to play.
Who's rules did everyone have to learn, miggles and the seawall brawl's or the ruleset they play with from there region. YOU MUST BE FLEXIBLE AND WILLING TO ADAPT. We will never see eye to eye on regional rulesets and the fall back should be a standard that all mfca members will have to learn .
It's like being in school and learning a second language.
spanish or french. If a coach from a different region ventures out to a paticular region where the rules played their are not familar to him. he can say lets play a game using the mfca ruleset. This is ofcourse, all took the time to learn them. I personally feel. ! rule learned by all is a sign of unity.
NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO FORGET HOW YOU PLAY TODAY.
Just add a course in spanish or french to your credit.

I KNOW THIS IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE FROM WHAT WATTS IS PROPOSING.

KEYS PLEASE.

MANTARAYDRE

I think that you guys are doing...
 

a great job! I've worked on panels and have attended many board meetings with my company over the years and the one constant is that everyone in the room does not agree. However, everyone does not have to agree.

I'm in full support of a National set of rules and a national tournament with a national champion. This will not eliminate or take away from the local leagues and tournaments that will continue to go on. However, as wolf stated it will tremendously help with sponsorship and bringing more recognition to the hobby as a whole. Don't you know that there is a national set of rules that have been established for the video game "Madden" that is played unlike how you play it at home? This does not mean that you cant continue to play at home the way that you have always loved and enjoyed. However, it does state that if you want to play on a national level then there are a specific set of rules that you would have to play by. Since these rules have been established Madden has been able to create "Madden Nation" and have increased the enrollement of people playing the game by more than 8x's. This has increased the sales of game consoles and madden video games tremendously. So many sponsors have jumped on board with "Madden Nation". If you take a look at the "Madden Nation" bus you can see all of the sponsors tagged all over it...NFL, EA Sports, ESPN, Sony, etc. Imagine if this were possible for our hobby. All of the vendors including ff.com, george diamond, miggle, bruce watts, roller taco and the rest of you who are custom painters, decal, board and figures makers will reap the benefits of hundreds and maybe thousands of new members who will be looking to purhase items to get going. The more rewarding experience would be that leagues would spring up all over the place.

I don't have any interest in playing at this point in time that's why many of you have not seen me on the board lately, besides the fact that I have not renewed my membership. However, I have received several calls regarding this and I wanted to respond.

I would say to continue your efforts in moving this great hobby forward. The truth of the matter is that it will die off if we don't. We don't have as many kids involved as we use to. The next generation is into high tech gadgets. Heck they have laptops the size of cell phones that allow you to do everything. We are in the age of twitter, facebook, myspace and ipad's. It is very difficult to compete especially if you're not popular. We must do everything possible to make our brand popular. We are the skinny kid in elementary school with braces and glasses on that no girl wants to date at first. However, once in highschool after hitting the weights for three summers and going to football camp we return to school looking good, with braces off and new eye contacts and they all are looking at us differently. We must do something to change our image. No sponser wants to date us right now.

God bless you all...I pray that we can learn to come together!

Thanks
 

Thanks for the response Mike. Some very good points.

good simple ruleset
 

I vote for using the Miggle ruleset. Here are my reasons:

1. It is simple: no sticks, dice, box, dividers, etc. This makes it easier to play the games and is more standard than all other rulesets in this regard.
2. It has been played before by just about all the coaches out there. There is less learning curve if we all get together and play.
3. There would be no advantages to a group or area of coaches. Miggle rules are really not played by any one area of the country so no one has an advantage.
4. It is fun. I think a lot of coaches enjoy the simplicity of the game.
5. We don't have to form a committee to adopt new rules!

For me personally, I enjoy all the rulesets out there. I have played most of them and I love parts of all of them. Lets do this simple thing and move forward!!!

beenutt

DSMFL
 

Coaches, this is what I think, I think before we set rules we must first build a house. To build a house we must first build a foundation. Our foundation should consist of guys that have experience in running a tournment. Guys, I'm not trying to leave out anyone I'm just calling the names that I know that have put on a tournment time and time again, The likes of Jim Davis and his crew (The Great Lakes), The Open run, The Dixie League B- Nut, The Texas Shoot Out Reggie, The Bama Blast myself David Nickles, The Carolina Tournment with Butch and Joel Prichett and etc.... Let's get all these great commissioners together in one room and let us put our head together and build a foundation for the love of football and not ourselves. These guys that put on these tournment knows that it takes a lot, The Beltsville tournment and the Canton tournment, we have a lot of great minds. If we could just put ourselves out for one moment we could build a house and the rules will come . So fellas, together, we could build anything and withstand any kind of weather. I think if we get guys in every region like Bruce mention and let's set up a date and invite everyone. Lets make it be in a central location to where everyone can show up and bring these minds together. I have no doubt that we can build a house where rules will automatically come and we will do it for the love of the game and for all coaches who really love playing the Electric Football. Guys, my hat is off to all you guys who put on tournments all around this country because I know the ups and downs and the headaches that you guys have. I know that yall are just like me because I too do it for the love of the game.

Tournament Organizers
 

Thanks David for your input. I have been thinking about this very thing for awhile (getting all the tournamnet and/or league organizers together in one place at the same time). I will offer to host such a meeting here in NASHVILLE. Nashville is fairly central to most areas of the country and a great place to bring the family for a weekend getaway if anybody wanted to do that as well.

Anybody else willing to host or suggest a better central location?

"Thats what im talkin bout"
 

I'll continue to contact "HEADS OF STATE", anyone operating a "TOURNY" & is interested in making there city or league part of the proposed "PRO LEAGUE" give me a call 330-452-4454. Ive got a solid plan for putting this thing together, where no one person or organization has the final word on anything, this will be a group effort, as well it should be. as ive said before this project will not bare my name in any way shape or form! ultimately success depends on u guys!thmbsp$

There is no "I" team
 

I spoke with Bruce and I’m on board to make this happen. The Beltsville area has major experience in running Tournaments. The one thing I would like to ask is that Ray Farnara sets on this panel of minds. Has a lot to bring to the table with kids Tourneys’. Because ultimately it should be the goal to past this great hobby of ours on to the next generations.

Dearell

Completely agree.

Know Ray. Know Success.

No Ray. No Success.

Ed wnnrcgr shkthbx:

We'll support it!
 

Bruce,

The Marketing Committee will support your efforts where ever we can.

Don

"Sounds good to me"
 

Im with that if Ray is, He can oversee the rules process, on behalf of the MFCA, he along with the "TOURNY HEADS" from each region, draft the rules. I know its, repeating a process done numerous times, but this way each region can add there input, its all about confidence. Once the rules are drafted there submitted to the MFCA for review, once agreed by all parties, ratified by MFCA, then the same rules are used throughout the league. Those rules are then passed down to the "PRO COACHES" by the regional representatives in there particular region. This will be a full fledge league & ran as such, with stats and standings. Ill layout my format for a playoff system that will guarantee, no two coaches from a particular region, play for the title, with the title game rotating, adding a second date on the callender when its your year. Later on that, got some work to do peace!thmbsp$

Mid America Melee is IN! I know we are the new Tournament on the block but in our first year we had 12 coaches of which 8 were first time entrants. Thats what its all about. We are all excited for this opportunity.thmbsp$


Geno H

DSMEFL
 

A MAN FOR RAY HE IS A GOOD MAN.

"Tryin to reach him"
 

Havnt been able to reach him yet, still at it though. That foundation is almost complete fellas, still need a couple more critical parts, working on the "TARGETING SYSTEMS" we gone pull it off this time DRE, get that KEY ready hommie!ppls$ back at yall peace!ltsplbll

Rules
 

Fellow players and hobbyists I’m willing to support the effort if asked to and I appreciate the vote of confidence. Before you put me to work on a rule set for championship play at a national level I have a set of principles that I will follow do what is right for the hobby. Chris LeMay and others have already put in a valid effort to create a solid set of rules that are easy to follow and fun to play by. I still recommend using them as is or as a basis to work from. Some of the principles; Rules must be easy to understand and suitable for a tournament environment. The rules must promote the hobby and set a high standard of play, no luck or random events created by coin flips or dice. There’s nothing wrong with random events in football in an effort to create realism, great for leagues and clubs but not championships based on skill, creativity and knowing how to make adjustments. The rules must promote creativity and skill for every facet of the game, kick-offs, pass plays, running plays, field goals, punts and on side kicks where a coach has to have a complete set of skills for each situation in order to compete. If people can put up with these principles and willing to put the game ahead of regions or styles please contact me via email, rfanara@verizon.net
Please note, I’m not willing to forbid or discourage regional rule sets. I put up a post about 6 weeks ago proposing regional MFCA tournaments using regional rules if desired. Winners of each region face off in Canton using a National rule set. You are permitted to play outside your home region in an effort to gain a spot in the “Tournament of Champions.”
Thanks, Ray F

EXACTLY!!!!!!
 

Ray it is obvious to me why those that know you mentioned your name.
The statement above is DEAD ON TARGET!!!!!thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$

Geno Hwnnrcgr wnnrcgr wnnrcgr wnnrcgr wnnrcgr

I'm starting to get a real good feeling about this taking hold. The picture is clearing up and I want to commend those that are driving this and saying, "Yes, let's do this!" A tip of the hat!thmbsp$

What it do
 

What up fellas, were looking good the "PROS" are on the way!:eek: we have 4 of 5 tournaments locked: Beltsville Bash, Bama Blast, MFCA Conv., MId West Malee', with either the Open Run or talk of reviving the Duel in the Desert to represent the West Coast. In about a month all "HEADS OF STATE" will be meating in either St. Louis or Kansas City to work out the format & draw up the rule book, stay tuned for further updates as we begin to nail down dates, back at u guys peace.wnnrcgr

I like this ! ppls$

BOOM
 

COACHES,

Are the keys out of your pockets yet ?
All we want to hear is a sonic boom and the smell of napom early in the morning !!!!

There is nothing left to talk about, like nike, " JUST DO IT "


KEYS PLEASE.

MANTARAYDRE