WHAT MORE VALUBLE TO YOU, BASE OR FIG, CHECK IT OUT
 

COACHES,


Depending on who you are and what your doing. What's more valuble in your estimation.


I was on the miggle site looking at bases and said to myself, what am i thinking. Now, in the Mpfl system thee is no need for ttc bases. You dont not have to have brute strength in the mpfl, plus you direct your players via stops. I always brought bases that had the rookie/ttc combo. So i just looked at the rookie bases. For $5 measly dollars you get 24 bases. A whopping $10 you get 48 bases (a whole team). For $100 you get 480 bases. How much is that per base ? I have spent $100 and got back maybe 5 to 15 great looking custom figures. 480 compared to 5 to 15 customs. For $200 you got close to 1000 bases. So what is more valuble in this scenario.

In another scenario, if you had 22 unpainted non custom stock figures. You also have a package of 24 to 36 bases. What should be be the higher valued item ?


$100 gets you 480 bases, wow, an eye opener !!!!!!!!!!!!!
mantaraydre

It depends!
 

Dre, you'll probably get several different perspectives on this one. I say it depends. If you are more serious about playing (i.e. league and tournament play) then I'd imagine you'd choose bases. If you are more artistic or just love working on customs then I'd say figures would be more important to you. Some guys could care less about how beautiful their team looks as long as it performs during game time. Others may enjoy playing but it's the building of the team, painstakingly giving each individual figure/player it's own flair that turns them on.

It depends.

As a professional freelance modeller/designer, I'm often facing this type of comparison. IMHO, excepting material (paint, decals, figures or modelling paste) there is important 2 things you'll pay when you buy a custom figure (or a custom scenery, etc...or any hand crafted stuff) :

the expertise of the modeller
the time amount spent on the project

So the price can vary a lot, and can sound fair or unfair, depending of the client and the modeller expertise ;)

So finally for me a customized fig is more valuable than factory bases. BUT if the bases are pro tweaked, again the "2 important things" has to be considerated on the final price.


Dimitri

Balance
 

Since I enjoy playing as well as creating, I try to keep a balance with my purchases for bases and figures. In your case, I would pay $100 for the 480 bases. Obviously the custom figures that you bought are not enough to match the amount of bases. So I would scale back the number of custom figures that were purchased. I would put more money into stock figures in an effort to match the base amount.

In my mind, 48 bases are not enough to put teams through camp because there will be bases that will not make the team at all. Therefore, more bases will be needed to make up for the losses.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

the bases baby
 

you can purchase a awesome looking figure but if he is on a so-so base its not really gonna help your team, but if u have a regular figure on a very good speed base its gonna open up so many posibilities.:D

HOW MANY BASES /
 

COACHES,


How many bases would you guess you go through to complete an entire roster of lets say 50.

!) some bases go 30 yards before turning

2)some bases go 75 yards before turning.


I can see where they both can be utilized. But when you see bases that can do at least that, DO YOU SAY THAT'S IT, YOUR ON THE TEAM. OR DO YOU DIG AND DIG TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER.
Is it worth it trying to find a base that can take it to the house as opposed to going 75 yards. lets face, all you have to do is be on your own 25 yard line and that base that goes 75 yards is your house taker.
I also think a great coach can take a mediocre tweaked base set and turn that team into something special.

***SO ARE YOU SAYING, YOU CAN GO THROUGH A MAJORITY OF THE 480 BASES TO BUILD 1 TEAM ? IF SO, MAN THATS WORK !!!!!


MANTARAYDRE

thats crazy
 

i go thru maybe 45 to 60 bases a year tops. :rnt; maybe thats why my teams arnt that great:rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl:

Number of Bases
 

No I am not saying that 480 bases are for one team. That amount of bases will cover a number of teams. The number of players on a team will determine how many teams will get based. My teams are usually made up of 30 players. 480 bases will cover 16 teams, but all of those bases will not make a team and soundly compete. The number of bad bases varies from base to base. If all you care about is getting a base that moves, then you will use all 480 bases.

Maurice
The Electric Coach

Dre,
I went thru about 150 bases to put together my Raider squad of 100 players. I went thru 70 bases to put my 53 man Notre Dame squad together. The best value for your money IMO are the "Miggle Proline" square and rounded front. I didnt destroy any of them and they all made my Notre Dame squad, mostly on offensive and defensive lines. Where I do go thru more bases is at the "Skill" positions..I.E QB's, RB's LB's WR's and kickoff teams.

Bases are a dime a dozen. I can always find another base to use. But where am I going to get another Muckman, Billy Bob or 2 Cents??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

It's amazing to see this coach tweak and build a team. I've seen it first hand.

BUMP
 

BASES!

For me, this is really about something I always speak about
 

The base + player = Athlete

Now for me, I could not take one without the other. It is a combination thing. The only reason I would weigh slightly toward the figure is because of promotions of the game and because I believe in art.

What turns me on about the game is realism. Making things look real and do things that seem real. For me, it's about the show.

I probably have more bases than most people and I have tried to set bases up on a mantle and walk into a room and get a certain rush. For me, it does not happen.

On the other hand, when I walk into the room and see figures on the wall customized in different uniforms and things of that nature, there is a glee that is indescribeable! I just know looking good is very important to me.

Now, it may also have to do with if you are in a league or play alone. There is something to be said for "competition bases" versus "show bases". Definitely, in competition, it is important to come with your best bases. Everybody wants to win.

But for me, I am out of the competition game and "show bases" just is enough for what I need to do. So the emphasis is now that a player does not have to be able to run 100 yards but 50 would be just fine. Too much time wasted on trying to find the pot of gold when silver will suffice.

So I guess for me, if I was nailed down, the player would be more important to me.

Reg

This is a hard one for me
 

But if I had to pick, I gotta go with bases.

Norbert Revels

ooooo
 

I am more of a player guy I guess... I get enough bases to cover the number of players i get (i do end up with a few "Injury bases" to use if some one gets 'banged up').

that being said I am definitely not a competitive player. I would imagine that coaches wanting to be great will stress bases more.

The combo..."Dre Day" I say it is a marriage of the 2...
 

I have players that I purchased year 1 and I cherish them even moreso now. I keep the combo togther and there is nothing better than putting a player on any bodies field or surface and having a minimal standard deviation from the norm:D MINImal!!!!..simplisticly speaking consistancy. I have learned to do figs and tweak...as I was told early in the game "when you tweak a base and it becomes an athlete doing what you designed it to do....there is no feeling like it" and yes I have one with over 1200+ in 2 seasons and the fig is as vital to the base as the base is to the figthmbsp$

i can say I have ordered bases many a day over the years but I have also added extra figs to the squad as needed. It took time for me to notice which fig is best for the task.......so for me Brother Dre....it is a mutual-marriagefrstplc

"The Winning Pivot"
 

I would take the bases..... I know that when I am building a team, it usually beginss in the late spring forthe upcoming season. It can start out with 50-60 players for the team in figures. I may not dress them all, but you can see 50 bases to start with. Now mind you, that is for just one uniform of the team in question.

Okay, when teaking for competitive play, you want players that can run and be tough in the trenches, fly to the ball, and run to the house or execute your schemes. Well the only way to find all this talent is to go thru those 480 bases to find the best players to give you a chance to win.

You may need some of the 30 yd types as well as the 75+ types on your team. you may even have some 15 yd guys too. They may not play every down, but they will make an impact when they do.

I may go thru 100 to 150 bases to put together my team. The difference being is that every base tweaked that does not make my team is still good enough to make someone else's team. I have given away fanchise players to so many cooaches I have lost count. some have come back to score points on me, others have used my "coached-up players" to win titles so I know this to be true.

Dre, if you want to make your team do the things you want, you will need to "coach them up" by making each player special and as a unit, the team will be special.

K-LO

GETTING INTERESTING POINTS OF VIEWS
 

COACHES,


Detriotchild was right, there are going to be varied anwsers on this one. it is the wide spread number that is so shocking. Imagine in a game a team won

REDSKINS 480

COWBOYS 20

***480 BASES TO 20 CUSTOM FIGS. THAT NUMBER IS SO WIDE SPREAD YOU JUST WONDER ARE YOU MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICE.
***I totally agree is it a marriage made in heaven for both.
I happen to lie also the miggle NEW PROLINE figures. (THE SECOND SET WITHOUT THE QB). I see they are $6 for 5 figures. I like those poses because they have the customized look to them outtside of the fab five.
I think i will focus on getting more bases, put the extra money towards getting THE DWAYNE JENNINGS MINI MACS and FF.NET FIGURES. Then get the miggle proline figures to blend in with the two mainstay's just mentioned. I'll be honest, i hate cutting and gluing stuff together. DONT LIKE CUSTOMIZING. But with the jennings mini macs, you get to put the figures together via a kit from the start. I always loved the ff.net figures from day one (reg will attest to that). I dont like doing anything to them. THE STOCK FIGURES ARE IN A PROFESSIONAL LOOKING POSE RIGHT OUT OF THE BAG.

I personally think those feeling there way through in creating a look cant go wrong mixing and matching FF.NET FIGURES AND DEWAYNE JENNINGS MINI MACS. JUST FIGURE THAT OUT THEN GET YOUR 480. painted up right and detailed to the max, YOU WILL HAVE A NASTY LOOKING TEAM.

YOU GOTTA GET THE 480, IT'S THEE AMERICAN WAY !!!!!!!!


MANTARAYDRE

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Without question, bases. Take a figure off a base and put it on the board. How good is he?

More valueable? Easy...highly detailed figures (customized, painted, decals, customized, face masks, etc.). Its not even close to me. Not stock Miggle teams painted like my kids would do but some of the amazing customized stuff you see on this chat board. I feel I can get a good base in a matter of a few minutes, and a great base comes more often with a little luck than pure perceverence. Thats why if you have boat loads of bases like I do (and like many of you) your best percentage of getting great bases is to tweak up a bunch and expereiment with them. Am I short changing "great" bases compared to "good" bases? From what I've seen I really don't think so. There's no short cut to detailing these little figures and its very tedious work. If my house was on fire I'd probably go back in after the figures, not sure if I would risk it for the bases. :D

Now the field...a really good running big custom field...that may be the number one item you put on your christmas list to truely enjoy the hobby. I love a good running field!

i agree!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I may have misread the question. I was posting as to what is more important in creating a winning team.

It's the shoes....
 

This is a tough choice because it's such a personal thing but...how many coaches have coveted those precious first run prolines (5-10 bucks a base)? How many of you have heard the stories of guys wanting to pay top dollar for an amazing base owned by another coach? I don't know how true it is but I've heard as much as a hundred bucks offered for a base. Now my bet is those coaches are serious competitors in league and tourney play but those guys are probably serious about their bases.

Figures or bases.
 

The bases are the most important part of the total "Player". I find it much more difficult to give up bases (even the ones I have screwed up trying to tweak) than to change figures on a given team. I have bags and boxes of bases, many have never even been opened. But I hang on to them because one day I am going to find that perfect base.

Bases are the most important to me. I will use the same base on multiple teams....but I don't feel the need to repaint a figure to use it on a different team. Tweaking takes time and special bases aren't so easy to come by. Heck, some rare bases are worth a lot before they are even tweaked (widetops, brown bases...original Frosties and R/L's).

Don
 

Jim and Tony Jones was over my house working out with me when my cell phone rang, it was a coach who buys top dollar everything in this hobby, the coach offered me $800 for my league team bases (46 total), he was ready to put the money in my paypal account right there, I said no with out thinking twice,.............I guess it depends on the coach, I was never into customs that much, but love bases bigtime, I spent so much time on those bases that I just couldn't sell them,...........offcourse Jim and Tony told my wife (in front of me they did this) smile, my mouth dropped, I didn't know what to say when she ask me did someone offer you that much for bases.

P.S. 2006 Buzzfest, a coach comes to my room, asks me how much for my noseguard, I not wanting to sell him said $60, 2 seconds later 3 $20 dollar bills fell unto the board, I looked at him and shook my head, I couldn't say anything even though I didn't want to sell him.

P.S. Back in the day, the $100 dollar stories are very true.

P.S. Serious competitors is a true statement.

Norbert Revels

True
 

the stories are true!!!

here is one of mine form the 2001 Miggle Convention in Canton.....
... I had some Vikings with R.Smith at Rb... he was on a original R/L base that covered a 620 in 3 or less and ran in the hashmark the whole way.... well as this weekend was going on, the $$$$ was flowing everywhere.... well one of the guys from NEFL (name not given to protect the guilty) saw him running up and down the field and wanted this base badly.....I mean BADLY....
So I said give $60 and before I could take the player off the field 3 $20 was being tossed my way...

It has happened before, I don't know if it will ever again because of so many tweakers in the system now.

@ Norbert and K-lo
 

all I can say is......WOW! :rllngs:


:eeeek:

I believe it is the same in any "technic" or skilled hobby...see the price of some virtual objects or characters for computer games like World of Warcraft...quite insane :D

same thing in slot racing for the thunderjet tweakers too, a top notch chassis could be sell hundreds of dollars, even if the chassis cost only 10


etc, etc...any hobby where some competition exists, this phenomenon should appear, I guess ?

Dimitri