Bases choice for my team
 

Hi,

I'm looking for my future bases order I'll do in the next days to fit my detailed 49ers custom team.

I plan to buy ONLY Proline miggle bases, for a simple reason...the good appearance of it :rtfl:

I want my team to be based on indentical bases (because I'm first a modeller, and my work look matters, especially when I spent dozens of hours customizing, sculpting, etc... for that team) but I want to keep good playability, of course.

Proline range sounds good for that, since we can find rookies and TTC, strenght and fast, round and square bases.

Rounded bases sounds interesting for me, since in our rules we play 1base width between players, so rounded bases can be good for defense linebackers, or offense RBs.


Another thing is the fact I play only with my brother or alone, so using one range of base products make everything simplier for now, in an educational purpose (because I'm sure we'll have the same bases and so I'll be able to teach him my very humble tweaking tips).


Basically, I'm thinking about that scheme (22players team) :


OFFENSE :
offensive linemen : square proline "strong" TTC

receivers (x2) : rounded (or square ? I heard they run straighter) proline fast rookie base

half back: I don't know. Strong proline TTC ? Fast proline TTC ? Rookie base ? hybrid-Strong shell + fast dial (or fast shell and strong dial) ? better with a rounded base or square ?

full back : square base I believe, in a HB coverage purpose ? strong TTC ?

tight end : same problem (strong, fast or hybrid ?). Square base seems to be a better choice for multipurpose TE, no ?

quarterback : I don't know...for now we play only stationary QB. But I should test screen pass and stuff like that one day...



DEFENSE
defensive line : rounded strong ttc bases for offense line penetration

cornerbacks : rookie fast bases ? TTC fast base ? square or round ?

linebackers : I don't know !

safeties : I don't know too :D


Any help (remember, only miggle proline range) will be appreciated thmbsp$


Dimitri

Personally...
 

...I wouldn't use the Proline TTC bases unless I'm removing the dials to use on Miggle TTC bases for strength or a speed/strength combo. I'm sure I'll get some disagreement from others on here about this.

Hi Don, thanks for interest ;)

I readed a lot of things on proline bases, especially TTC. SOmeones says that that bases are good, others says they are bad, other ones says that we have to modify it to make it run, etc...

The only proline base I heard anyhting but good feedback is the strong proline rookie base. All the other ones obtained mixed feedbacks.

Personaly, I don't care if my proline based team will not be as good as a first run polo green base or whatever,since my only point of reference is myself and my brother (who is referencing on me too :rtfl: ).



the only questions are :

can I make a decent (playable) team on proline only bases :confused:

what proline base for each field position (see the first post)


thanks thmbsp$

Personally...
 

See below...

thank you Don.

I guess if you has difficulties to tweak the TTC bases, as a newbie, it should be pretentious to hope to success where you failed.

That topic join a little the one I did on TTC bases use...

See that vid (2008 tournament with "big names" in it)

http://vimeo.com/5830025

They often use proline rookie bases. Even for their offensive line...but very few TTC bases, in fact. Not speaking of stacking I don't use, they use the same pivot method on lines I'm using.


So...perhaps it's the key ? start with a team with only proline rookies bases (square/rounded and strong/fast assortement) since people seems to be very happy with them, and try to learn how to tweak proline ttc bases on spare time ?


thanks,


dimitri

UP ?
 

mgngcrz

No one is using Proline bases except Don ? :D

so....what about
 

mixed bases assortement with Polo green bases and proline bases ? :confused:

Some people said me that it was great for speed.

So perhaps I can use proline rookie strong bases, pologreen rookie bases for speed, and mixed polo shells + proline dials for strenght ?

Has anyone successfully tried to paint bases (so I can use all kinds of bases, including diamond bases for example ) ? How ? Seeing the base material, I don't think paint can stick a lot on these ?

any help will be appreciated.



Thanks !


dimitri

I would not recommend painting bases....it could be done as long as you avoided any paint on prongs and sealed the rest well. I think paint would tend to come off pretty easily on the soft plastics.

I think you will be happiest with Proline strong rookie bases. Rounded fronts are better for blitzers and receivers/TE (or those you need to get open out of the backfield). The Proline TTC's are not good....but you can use the dials with regular bases for strength....Other than that, you can reposition the existing dial forward and tighten it. That requires cutting and such, but you can make it work. I think the Proline TTC shells are excellent for taking ITZ dials as well....but it is a shame to lose those powerful rear prongs...but a good use for a base that is over-tweaked or just is a clunker in general. The black bases that Geno put out also are a good shell to use with ITZ directional dials!

You will want to get out of production rare bases to really make your team special though. Boat style bases are great for receivers. The old Proline boat style rookie bases are awesome if you can find them....as are Munro bases....some of which have true directional dials like the ITZ dials. Boat bases can also make good blitzers...or penetrating D-linemen. Buzzball speed diamonds are awesome for skill positions...but using the bigger figures might be top heavy, so you will have to add weight to the base (museum putty underneath works) to keep your guys from falling over. I have also seen speed diamonds used under any of a number of shells to make hybrid bases that are very special!

OK, thank you for the explanation ;)


For receivers too ??? proline strong rookie bases are fast, strong or mixed ? If it 's the case, perhaps it's the key for several positions I have difficulties to tweak (TE and RBs, where I 'd be happy to find power and speed).

Can I use straight front strong rookie bases for my o line (a "emergency" solution if I can't tweak correctly proline strong ttc) ?

Would you say that the proline rookie strong base is an "all around" base ?

What about rookie speed bases ? are they fast and not too complex to tweak?


I 'm quite successfull in speed tweaking, and even in strenght tweaking. THe biggest issue I meet is making mixed strenght/speed bases. Usually I achieve good speed result with rookie bases, and good strenght with TTC. :o


and speaking of TTC bases, what about speed ttc proline bases ? are they significantly faster than regular TTC bases ?


Well...I believe I'll go for a assortment of the complete proline range 'focusing on strong rookie bases), and buy a bunch of regular miggle ttc to use the proline strong dials if I can achieve a decent 100% proline ttc tweaking...at home I've got a few extra bases, and all the bases I use on my current team...but I should prefer to have one base style and color, for good looking :o



thanks ! ppls$

The Pro-Line TTC shell with a white dial can make a great base for Safeties. FAST thmbsp$ with the potential to spin in zone-coverage

Yep French Guy,

The Proline strong rookie base is a great all around base. It can get monster strength....and can also be tweaked for good speed. I still prefer the Buzzball speed diamond bases for speed....as well as their ancestor, the old Tudor? R/L bases. That said, the Proline strong rookie base is a must for bigger figures that you want to have some speed...simply because the base is well-designed for stability and work well with heavy and top-heavy figures. However, for the absolute best receivers, it seems to me that boat bases or hybrid bases (combining a boat shell with a speed diamond underneath....or using its prongs) are the answer.

thanks
 

for the answers you gave me thmbsp$


Here's my proline list for Santa Base :

offense :

Offensive linemen : PROLINE TTC STRONG/ROOKIE STRONG square front

Wide receivers : PROLINE FAST ROOKIE round front

tight end : PROLINE TTC STRONG/ROOKIE STRONG round front

Quarterback : PROLINE TTC STRONG square front (or rookie "prong less" stationnary)

full back : PROLINE ROOKIE STRONG square front

half back : PROLINE ROOKIE STRONG round front




defense :

line men (DE-DT) : PROLINE TTC STRONG/ROOKIE STRONG round front

corner backs : PROLINE ROOKIE STRONG square front

middle linebacker : PROLINE ROOKIE STRONG round front

outside linebackers : PROLINE ROOKIE STRONG round front

strong safety : PROLINE TTC STRONG square front

free safety : PROLINE TTC STRONG square front




What do you think of it ?

WHen I write 2 choices, it's for tweaking you have to understand choice 1 = the hard way choice 2 the easy way. In one word, I'll buy a lot of strong rookie proline bases.

I've got doubts about the choices for defense line : Round front can help for blitz, but if the oppenent offense is strong, it can be a problem too...


Last thing, the speed bases for receivers : Since I'm using FF.net re-sculpted figures, I'm afraid perhaps fast bases will be too "weak" to suport the weight and bring them speed ?



thank you,


dimitri

Suggestion...
 

...use the square/straight front bases for your corner backs. That helps to hold the WR at the line of scrimmage a split second longer.

oups!
 

Thanks Don, you're right I mean SQUARE fronts for my CBs thmbsp$

What do you think of the rest of the team ?

Not bad!
 

I think you've got the right idea. thmbsp$

One thing, I think that if you can maybe you should try making two tight ends, as then you have a blocking tight end like Jim Kleinsasser (I think that is how you spell it) on a flat front base, and a tight end that is more of a possession "receiver" like Anthony Gonzalez on a round base.
I think it looks good. thmbsp$
Taylor

thanks for the tip thmbsp$

I'll stay with a unique TE, I don't need so much blocking people, in the games I played my line is very strong (never been sacked, but I sacked my bro 3times if I remember correctly :D )

Hi,

1- yes, our current teams are quite the same : I tweaked everything twice, than make fair distribution between the 2 teams ;)

2-as good as mine !

3-on the esthetic aspect, yes. On the tecnical aspect, I'm not sure.

I've got a plan for that : As soon as my "pro" 4.0 team will be completed (figs and bases), I'll make a game against his current "demo" team (fab5 + regular bases), and smash it, I hope. The goal is not to humiliate my bro, but make him interesting in the tweaking aspect and team preparation. The good old "stick and carrot" technic (I don't know if you know that expression in english). :rtfl:

Since I know my bro, I know he will want to upgrade his team to be competitive. So I'll give him spare bases to tweak on his own, helping him with my humble skills. I think it's a better way to involve him in the hobby than simply give him a "ready to play" team.


We can see the limit of the "ready to play" concept : even if our teams are balanced for now, I'm confortable with my own team (making sacks etc...) because I tweaked it and I know each fig on the field. Even if the games stills competitive because he observed how his team works, he doesn't have that advantage.



4- I'll adapt my own team ! If he becomes enough good and involved to force me to adapt, I'll be the happiest MF player thmbsp$

Dimitri

good answers.....
 

As for the #4 answer..... that too can be arranged and a care package can be sent.........


k-lo

He can't read english, unfortunatly. :(




He will be the future owner of a complete 22 players (and perhaps a little more "option players") Steelers team, roster 2009-2010, made with same quality care I bring in my own Niners team thmbsp$


the tricky thing will be to customizing, paint and detail them BEFORE december, 25th :D


For the base tweaking, I guess I can say that I'm not so bad for a newbie, even if of course I ruin about 1base on 3, and achieve really good ones only 1base on 3 or 4bases too...

Making fab 5 receivers running the 100 yards (42") straight in 6-7 seconds (with board power about 60%, without weighted bases), I can do it.

Making good strenght, I can do it too (I 've got a few sample N.Revells strong linemen bases, I can compete -but not beat- them on my board with my tweaked bases).


Making mixed strength-speed : I can't for now

Making good speed TTC bases: I can't too !

But I want to learn ! ltsplbll It's my vision of a hobby practice : make everything on my own ;)

last quesh
 

...about fast proline TTC : do you think I should buy a blister of it too (even if I didn't plan to add in my team) ? remember I use weighted figures ;)


thanks

ps : BTW, I added to my order a bunch of standard TTC...in case of I can't achieve anything good with the proline TTC (I 'll swap the dials, then).