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the french guy 01-08-2010 10:11 AM

1976 Bucs All Stars : D. Selmon and D. Logan
 
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Hi,

Here a special project I'm making for a friend of mine ;)

2 "all star-like" customized figures, based on ff.net figs : Dewey Selmon #58 and David Logan #76. All with muscles, faces and old school jerseys.


I started with Dewey Selmon, who was a linebacker. So I tried to make a typical "snap observing" LB pose, based on a offensive center fig.

Here's the first pics of the first rough modifications I modified the stance (legs spacing), feet position, arms, hands and head position too, to give the figure a "snap moment" position.

As usual, I try to make playable figs too, with good balance.

NATIONAL 01-08-2010 10:29 AM

Being balanced is key
 
Yeah it's nice having a cool looking fig, but if you can't get a base to run on it, it's almost useless. So you need a fig to practical & balanced.

As for your selection of players. Both those guys were good, but Dewey's brother Lee Roy Selmon #63 is an NFL Hall of Famer who was as good as there was in his era. He played DE.

Dewey was a LB.
Logan was a DT


I'm not sure if it's Leroy, or Lee Roy and I think he's the only Buc to be inducted into the HOF


Nat'l

the french guy 01-08-2010 10:57 AM

I didn't select the players, so... :rtfl:

Quote:

Yeah it's nice having a cool looking fig, but if you can't get a base to run on it, it's almost useless. So you need a fig to practical & balanced.
I'm trying to figure it out on each fig, thinking of the position on the field, and the bases I've got and how they react thmbsp$

the french guy 01-08-2010 11:34 AM

the other fig
 
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I finished the other fig rough pose. I made him in defensive lineman rushing position, to bring a contrast with the LB.

I used 2 figs for it : a very low wide receiver body and the chest of a lineman. I choosed a low leg assembly to bring the fig some good stance.

Here's the pics !

jeff 01-08-2010 11:45 AM

Can't wait to see them painted up !!!! ppls$

the french guy 01-08-2010 11:53 AM

actually...
 
I will not paint them : I'll "just" customize, re-sculpt (faces, chinstraps, muscles, jersey, belly, etc...) and undercoat them ;)

mark robin 01-08-2010 04:11 PM

wow i like them both. nice job.

the french guy 01-08-2010 05:11 PM

thanks !

I'll finish them this week end I hope.


Dimitri

the french guy 01-10-2010 11:10 AM

preparation
 
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Hi,

This week end I 've been too busy to finish the figs, but today I worked on it.

An important thing when you customize figs,, is the preparation stage. Before I'll start muscles and face sculpting, I fixed the figure shape on the zones I cutted or glued, and defects with some modelling paste.

I'll continue tomorrow ;)

the french guy 01-11-2010 12:14 PM

Muscle men
 
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:D

Today I add the muscles on the figs. I didn't detail the top of them, since the top of the arms will be covered by the jersey (old school 76's). But I wanted to make hulk/pro wrestling muscles, since it works so well with the ff.net figures.


Tomorow I'll make the old school jersey and perhaps the faces. Finally, I will also paint the skin of it.

I believe if one day I propose customizing service, I'll offer ready to paint figs (with just a coat of primer) and skin prepainted figs too (since a well executed skin tone is quite technic to achieve).


Here's the pics :

the french guy 01-12-2010 12:46 PM

odl school jerseys
 
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Hi,

Here's the sculpting almost daily report :D

Today, I made the jersey sculpting. Following photos I've seen of that period (70's), the jerseys were quite large. So I adapted the figures to that observation, sculpting the jerseys.


Here's the pics. Now I have to make the faces and chinstraps. Finally, I'll clean and sand the fig and undercoat it, then I'll paint the skin tone and face ;)

Coach Grim 01-12-2010 01:22 PM

I love your work! I have been trying my hand at using green stuff as well after seeing your 49s. i think someone else asked but i cant seem to find it, what tools do you use to shape the arms and faces?

the french guy 01-12-2010 01:37 PM

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I've got plenty of tools, but basically you can start with only that 2 tools. The first rubber brush can be found in arts supply shops, and the other one can be found in creative activities shops or wargaming shops ;)

NATIONAL 01-12-2010 02:01 PM

Jersey was different in those days
 
It seems like the padding was larger back then also. Players wore more of them than in todays game.

With your changes, it should come out just great.

Still thinks the guy should have you do a #63 Leroy Selmon, but maybe he already has him on the roster!!!

Keep us posted


Nat'l

the french guy 01-12-2010 02:14 PM

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THanks !

I based my work on pics like this one :

the french guy 01-13-2010 12:07 PM

daily report
 
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Hi,

Today I made the (really) sculpted faces and I sanded and fixed the helmets. Now I remember why I use the Xacto sculpting technic on most of my own figures :rtfl: the "real sculpting technic" like I used on that 2 buc figs brings better results, but it's also more difficult and take quite long time too.

I honestly don't know if I 'll propose that sculpting service for my possible future customization bartering-based services... :confused:


I choosed to represent the 2 players with beard, since I found a lot of pics of them like that. And I like the look it gives, especially for a 70's team !

Tommorow, I'll finish the sculpting, fixing defects and adding chinstraps.


Dimitri

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TVsCHACHI 01-13-2010 03:21 PM

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET thmbsp$

the french guy 01-13-2010 05:36 PM

thanks thmbsp$


end of the sculpting tomorrow night...wich will be probably during morning in USA :D

Fun to think of it...sometimes I forget that when I write my stuff at night, some of you are just preparing to go to work :rtfl:

TVsCHACHI 01-13-2010 06:11 PM

5 hours difference from here to there thmbsp$

the french guy 01-13-2010 06:12 PM

only 5 hours ?
 
we're almost neighbors, so ! :D

TVsCHACHI 01-13-2010 06:33 PM

Oui thmbsp$

the french guy 01-14-2010 04:48 AM

Salut voisin ! thmbsp$

the french guy 01-14-2010 09:10 AM

daily report
 
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The sculpting is completed. Tomorrow I'll start the painting ;)

the french guy 01-14-2010 11:33 AM

last fix
 
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I forgot to fix the feet of that fig. Since I heavily modify his stance, the feet were not placed good anymore (quite like a duck...) so I resculpted them, now the athlete is ready for contact :D


since the green stuff is a very sticky paste, it will help the fig to stay glued on the plateform.

the french guy 01-18-2010 09:23 AM

Ready to paint
 
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Hi,

The figures have been primer coated today. I like that stage, when you can see the smooth overall aspect of the complete figure. thmbsp$

Tommorow, I'll paint the skin tones and arms details, then the figs will take the plane to USA :D

Lindyhopper49 01-18-2010 11:02 AM

the figures look good!

hope your thumb gets better!

the french guy 01-18-2010 11:06 AM

:D

I cutted it drilling a new counterweight for my board. I made a beginner mistake, to work quicker I didn't fixed the brass plate on my working table, so when I drilled it, it started to spin really fast and took a bit of my thumb :rtfl:


Don't try this at home :D

More seriously, at least wear protection glasses...I never work without them, and it gives a awsome pro worker look too :rtfl: I cutted the brass counterweight with my dremel cutting disk...and the disk exploded :eek: Hopefully the bits went everywhere but not on my face...but imagine if they went into my eyes...you can fix a tooth or a thumb...you can't fix eyes ;)

the french guy 01-19-2010 08:39 AM

first coat
 
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Hi,

Today I made the first skin tone coat; Tomorrow I'll make the effects (shade and lights).

the french guy 01-22-2010 02:56 PM

Painting completed
 
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Hi,
I finished the painting of the figs (I only had the arms, chinstrap and face to do).

Here's some night pics of it. Like the real athletes, I give them some old school 70's beard :D

I'm happy with their face, quite realistic for the pics I found.

I also varnished them, but sometimes the mat varnish I use goes quite satin :confused: Since my friend will certainly varnish the whole figure, it's not a problem.

Next project : A Steelers team, and some Niners option players.

I believe I'll offer customizing services soon too ;)


Tomorrow, I'll make daylight pics and speak about my personal customizing service concept. ;)

Dimitri

the french guy 01-23-2010 08:08 AM

daylight pics
 
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Hi,

Here's some daylight pics of the figures ;)

TVsCHACHI 01-23-2010 10:04 AM

AMAZING!!!
thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$

Coach K-LO 01-25-2010 09:04 AM

THE FRENCH GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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the french guy 01-25-2010 11:46 AM

thank you both thmbsp$


Finally, I'll completly paint the figures, so stay tuned for the next stages :D

HOOP 01-28-2010 02:45 PM

ooooooh
 
Cant wait to get into my lab and try this out. Love the shades, especially on the hand to distinguish the fingers.

the french guy 01-28-2010 03:20 PM

thank you !
 
For the fingers thing, It's what I was speaking about in my tutorial : creating details where the figure does not have any or few.

The only issue IMHO is that all details will be not too much visible without good light.

Since the athletes skin is quite dark, the shading and highlightning effects have to be not too strong to still realistic, but logicaly you need good light to enjoy them.

It's something you have to be aware of if you try to paint realistic dark tone ethnic origins skins. ;)

49ers_Fan 01-28-2010 03:30 PM

WoooooooooW
 
You amaze me everytime I look at your post.

Dearell

the french guy 01-28-2010 04:23 PM

thank you too, Dearell thmbsp$


Dimitri

the french guy 01-29-2010 08:54 AM

I screwed up
 
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Hi,

To be a decent modeler or painter, you have to be perfectionist :D

As I said before, I didn't like two things on that figures : the dark tone making the figures painting effects not enough "readable" in normal conditions (basement, night, rainy day). The other thing, the varnish wich reacted wierd and appeared a little gloss/satin.

Each day, I was observing the figures, and each new day that little issues (wich I'm probably the only one to see :D ) became really annoying...So I made my choice : the DIP

:rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl:


The figures are now in a alcohol bath, to remove all the paint and varnish, and I'll do all the painting job again. My friend deserves it IMHO thmbsp$

WEIRDWOLF 01-29-2010 09:19 AM

Is that a 2006 Chardonnay Delmas or just rubbing alcohol that you are soaking them in?
:D


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