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I'm going to try and summarize what I think this discussion has yielded. I am by no means the last word on it and this is just from my point of view. I want to stress that this is just my take, but it is what I will propose to the BOD and will accept any input in regards to the below classes.
COMPETITON CLASSES as recognized by the MFCA. The MFCA is attempting to set “Competitive Class/Weight” descriptions in order for the beginning coach as well as the experienced coach to have clear definitions of the “competitive levels” that they can expect and prepare for in play around the country. MFCA Competition/League Rules will be played at the 4.0 Custom Class. Skills competitions will offer the 3.3 Stock class, 4.0 Custom class and Unlimited Custom classes in order for beginners and experienced coaches to have an equal chance to compete. There are 4 classes of competitive play recognized by the MFCA. 3.3 Stock Class-This class is designed for the beginner or new coach or for experienced coaches that want to get started in competition with minimum effort in regards to the team’s look and feel, balance or performance. All figure and base combinations must weigh less than 3.30 grams. The base must be marked clearly underneath the base with a permanent marker with the number of the player to avoid the switching of base and figure combinations in an attempt to create heavier combinations. The base and figure cannot have any additions (besides those listed in the next sentence) made to them in order to create a heavier base/figure combination. This class includes stock out of the package figures which have NOT been customized in any way in regards to body position. These figures may have minimal enhancements added which include: facemasks, chinstraps, towel, paint, 2 coats of clear coat for protection. NO OTHER additions, weights or changes may be made to the figure. 3.3 Custom Class-This class is designed for the more experienced coach or for the coach looking to achieve the maximum in player appearance and playability. All figure and base combinations must weigh less than 3.30 grams. The base must be marked clearly underneath the base with a permanent marker with the number of the player to avoid the switching of base and figure combinations in an attempt to create heavier combinations. The figures in this class are allowed to be enhanced or customized, but must conform to human body shape and dimensions and meet the criteria for a 28MM scale figure*. Any additions may be made that enhance the figures appearance or playability. Bases may have additional weights added under the base or platform of the figure. These weights should be, for the most part, invisible to the eye when placed on the field. 4.0 Custom Class-This class is designed for the more experienced coach or for the coach looking to achieve the maximum in player appearance and playability. All figure and base combinations must weigh less than 4.00 grams. The base must be marked clearly underneath the base with a permanent marker with the number of the player to avoid the switching of base and figure combinations in an attempt to create heavier combinations. The figures in this class are allowed to be enhanced or customized, but must conform to human body shape and dimensions and meet the criteria for a 28MM scale figure*. Any additions may be made that enhance the figures appearance or playability. Bases may have additional weights added under the base or platform of the figure. These weights should be, for the most part, invisible to the eye when placed on the field. Unlimited Custom Class-This class is designed for the more experienced coach or for the coach looking to achieve the maximum in player appearance and playability. Figure and base combinations total weight are unlimited. The figures in this class are allowed to be enhanced or customized, but must conform to human body shape and dimensions and meet the criteria for a 28MM scale figure*. Any additions may be made that enhance the figures appearance or playability. Bases may have additional weights added under the base or platform of the figure. These weights should be, for the most part, invisible to the eye when placed on the field. Definitions Enhanced-The addition of paint, chinstraps, facemasks, hair or any other addition in order to achieve a more realistic looking figure. Custom/Customized-The manipulation of body parts of a figure in order to achieve a more realistic, balanced or better performing pose. *28MM Scale-Per Chris Fields, professional miniature modeler- When measuring the**scale**of a figure; the measurement is from the foot to the eye level. The**28mm**scale**measurement is an assumption of 6 feet in height for a figure that measures**28mm**from eye level to the bottoms of the feet. For simplicity, the MFCA recognizes all current (2010) Miggle, Buzzball, Electric Gridiron, FF.com, 5-13 Figures, G-Force production figures as per this scale as well as all past Tudor figures. Gorilla figures or figures molded to the base are excluded. |
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Not saying that I'm on the BOD
but i don't like the classes. Calling something rookie, or advanced makes one seem more important than the others.
Just call it by the weight class or use letters SE - stock equipment ME - modified equipment UL - Unlimited If the MFCA wants to use 4.0 as the standard for the convo or for it's handbook, I"m fine with that. But until you come up with something (Weights) that come with the product, it just seems like more of a problem and something else you have to buy. Paint, base, play. Nat'l |
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Wolf,
Take out the adjectives Rookie, Advanced and pro. No one wants to be known as a rookie replace with........... Stock Advanced brings to mind smart school children replace with.............. custom and Pro indicates guys are being plaid to play - leave it simply as custom 4.0 and custom unlimted |
Someone called the 3.3g class "classic" . Perhaps it's a better name. ;)
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WOLF EXCELLENT.
WOLF,
This is excellent. It addresses the debate and sums it up nicely. This is worded to perfection and should be to final document for approval. Mantaraydre |
I agree with Corey. If I am a new coach and I see these classes, I will get discouraged and not even bother. We want to Unite not classify. If I want to play in a tourney or league I will abide by their rules. If you play at 4.0 then I will base a team for 4.0. If you play at 3.3, then I will base a team for 3.3. Lets leave things where they are at.
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I'm actually working on something with the people that produce the Pine Car weights. If all goes well the MFCA may be able to offer a weighting system. In the mean time, I'll happily give you a roll of lead tape complete with useage instructions, since you are so financially and weighted challenged! :D |
EXCELLENT !!!!!
Wolf, excellent job.
Once this is finalized, maybe coaches can donate a roll of golf tape to the MFCA. This is to enclose some sample strips in a new mfca members welcome packet. He can test the golf tape on several players and once satisfied, he can go out and purchase rolls of this tape himself. WOLF, GREAT WRITE UP !!!! MANTARAYDRE |
Definitions are great but why give the different classes a name at all...other than 3.3, 4.0, and unlimited. I agree with National in that we should not use "Pro" or "Rookie" class. Just 3.3 weight class, etc.
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Wolf you may not, but most do!!!
When you play Madden....who goes to the novice, or rookie????
Take out those labels and it would work. Just call it by the numbers 3whatever or 4whatever or give it some meaningless letters! Nobody, and I mean nobody wants to be doing something labeled beginner, or rookie. Even a rookie! :rtfl: Men have egos. Name me a person that says I want to grow up to be Vice President?????? Take those titles off!!!!!!!!!!!!! And got me at hello Nat'l |
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I dont want to disrespect anybody but seeing those classes like that reminds me of three other classes. POOR, MIDDLE CLASS and RICH. IT'S NOT NEEDED.
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Wolf,
I like the weight classes. Great idea! However, I agree with Corey and RIP about the names. I vote for the stock, modified, and unlimited monikers.:) |
Who me?????????????
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OK, I edited the post...name suggestions are still welcome.
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Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!thmbsp$ Geno H |
I LIKE THE NAMES I SEE SO FAR.
COACHES,
Many Many moons ago, we had to think of a name to call our magazine. " THE TWEAK ". Many names were tossed around before deciding on the tweak. Lets do the same here, Each coach submitt 3 to 4 names and we vote like we did for the tweak. 1) SANDLOT MINIATURE FOOTBALL 3.2 2) SEMI PRO MINIATURE FOOTBALL 3)PROFESIONAL (NON PROFIT) MINIATURE FOOTBALL 4.0 AND UNLIMITED NOTE: Im not equating 3.2 coaches to a bunch of kids playing sandlot football. I just always liked the name sandlot football. maybe i should have called it "MANLOT MINIATURE FOOTBALL". MANTARAYDRE PS/ HOW ABOUT 'POPS-WARNER MINIATURE FOOTBALL 3.2" |
my entries, trying to give a sense to words :
classic (3.3) heavy (4.0) no limit (4.1 or +) :D |
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3.3 weight class (or just "3.3") 4.0 weight class (or just "4.0") Unlimited weight class (or just "unlimited") K-I-S-S |
Classification In the Hobby
Wolf,
This is long over due in our hobby! No question about it! I can care less what name you give it, new coaches can not compete with experienced coaches! If this is the direction that the MEFA is going, I like it! Now people can play based on their individual preferences and experience. Good job! Smitty |
The idea of 3.3, 4.0 and unlimited classes is a good one. My only question is why do you need 2 seperate classes for 3.3? It really doesn't make any difference if a figure is stock or custom, so long as the figure and base combo weighs 3.3 Also, it doesn't really matter whether or not you add weight visably or not, guys are going to find a way to skirt the issue to make thier guys the heaviest they can without going over the limit, whether it's by adding extra paint, clear coats, solid lead face masks, drilling out the figure and refilling it with lead, exchanging the base platform from plastic to metal. So, you may as well just make it open to add any weight you want to get the player to 3.3, or take any weight off the player to meet the weight, just so long as they meet the requirement.
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COACHES,
Whatever you guys name it is fine with me. I think we need our own unique terminology. In horse racing they have stake races and claiming races. They also divide/catagorize races by the horses age. Our own unique catagories in terms of names goes a long way ! mantaraydre |
You need the stock class as an entry level option for the guy off the street, kids that walk in and want to play etc...
Miggle for instance falls into that category, I believe. I also don't care how they make weight as long as I can't see it. Fatter bellies is classified as custom, not as adding weight. Adding weight is adding putty, lead tape, tungsten etc that would take away from the appearance of a figure. |
I AGREE WITH AL.
Coaches,
I agree with al reveena. FIRST OFF: AS LONG AS NOTHING IS HANGING OUT FROM A BASE TO INTERFERE WITH GAME PLAY. But, a coach should be able to create a figure/team in his eyes AS LONG AS HE IS WITHIN ALL LIMITS. What difference does it make how a coach gets to 4.0. WHEN HE PUTS THAT FIGURE ON THE SCALE. As long as he weighs no more than 4.0 there is no issue. Clay, paint, ironman suit (coming in may). As long as that fig represents a football pose, and is within all limits. HE PLAY'S No micro managing. This is why we are doing this !! **** Wolf, i agree. No nutt or bolt glued to the top of a base. No lead tape wrapped around a figure the last minute like the mummy. But if a coach can create a figure like a fridge perry via clay, and he is in all the weight/height/width requirements. What the problem. That coach just figured out how to design players/athletes within all the guidelines. It bothers me when i see, you can create a custom (ALL LEGAL), BUT HE STILL CANT LOOK LIKE THIS. That's micro managing. As long as he is in a football pose, he is ok. Look at the nfl, look at all of those big heavy lineman and tiny receivers. Shapes will vary , as long as he is 4.0 and as wide a a miggle 67 BIGMAN WIDE ARMED FIGURE. Not taller than a ff.net blitzer figure. (THE FIG WHO'S HANDS ARE STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR ) Mantaraydre mnataraydre |
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The 3.3 class already includes all the Miggle/Tudor figures and bases that a new person is likely to buy. So why is there a 3.3 custom class? Why would they be at a disadvantage if their Miggle Big man comes in at 3.2 with a TTC and a custom guy on a TTC is the same 3.2? Even if the new guy uses lighter Miggle figures, how hard is it going to be for him to figure out how to glue a BB or 2 under a base to bring the guy up to 3.2 or 3.3? Basically, the 3.3 class is there for the new guys who don't know how to play yet coming in with stock teams so that they won't get destroyed by heavier players. What will destry them is their lack of base tweaking skills. So whether or not it's a stock guy at 3.3 or a custom figure at 3.3 isn't going to make any difference. It's the base tweaking skills that will!
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Go with what you have stock 3.3 Custom 3.3 etc. |
AL REVEENA HAS A GREAT POINT.
COACHES,
Sorry guys but al has an incredible point. WHY ARE THEIR 2 SEPERATE CLASSES FOR 3.3 ? What different does it make if it is a stock or custom. This does not make sense what so ever.That's like your pants asking you to wear a belt and suspenders at the same time to hold him up. This is like your lawn asking for water so you go out and put on your sprinklers during a hurricane. No matter what the source, the grass is still getting watered at 3.3 million drops. Why would you seperate a custom and stock at the same weight. That is not happening at 4.0. ff.net stock figure and a custom figure are pretty common on the same team. The only thing i can think of is this is a visability issue. Maybe customs do not blend well with stock figures. Al reveena makes valid points. WHY THE SEPERATION. ????????? So your saying if a new coach begins with all stock figures, then he wants to add a custom or 2 to the same team with the same weight. He must go to a different class ? why ? mantaryadre |
Man this topic keeps pulling me in!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some guys play 3.3 no added weight. I'm not talking about the epoxy, and other methods guys use to make the figs look more realistic...those are okay.
So you might have guys that weight 2.8 or 3.0 on that team. That's okay Then you have 3.3 weighted. Which means you can take something ie,. lead tape or that stuff Wolf is talking about and you bring every player up to the 3.3 limit. That is what you would call weighted or custom. Al & others that don't play in competitive leagues probably don't get the magnitude, but it does matter. It's fine to have classes and to be defined as a hobby/sport. BUT you have to watch labeling stuff because you will slight something or somebody. Question to Gutt............what would you call your painting skills? You may say you're an expert. Others may see Gridiron as an expert or French guy. And they may say you are a novice. You can say that doesn't bother you, but I would say you're not telling the truth if you said that. Let's just take that novice or advanced talk out, and keep it moving. Nat'l |
All I am going to add is go back and read the enough thread for the answer.
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Corey and I posted at the same time. It does matter and Corey nailed it.
Dre, I thought you were only playing at 4.0 and above anyway...:D |
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IMHO there should be no "artificial" weight added, (nuts, lead tape, etc). They are what they are.
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Beltville is playing 3.3 does that make them novice or rookies? no its just the preferred weight from that area. Wolfs labeling as weight classes is on point, I see Ntls point, if u guys proceed in a well thought out manner, with all veiw points considered, I have no doubt the community will support whatevers decided. Also the difference between 3.3 stock & 3.3 custom is just that, some areas dont allow custom figs. it would be unwise not to recongnize that. Its important to leave options as we all dont play the same, not yet anyway.
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