one-stop or multi-stop
 

I'm just curious - I hear a lot of conversation about people playing with a one-stop or multi-stop format. How many people/leagues are playing this way now? Is this catching on like the pass simulation did a couple of years ago? I've tried a variety of stops during play in my solitaire games. I'm still looking for the method that I like the best.

beenutt

Beenutt,

Again, we have to remind folks that pass placement originated from the multi-stop. However, in one-stop p or p, the pass placement is not fully utilized. The problem with the multi-stop system has been personal gripes between individuals rather than problems with the system itself.

We have the MPF(L)eague and many others around the country appear to be planning for it.

I have spoken to NO ONE on the EF community who has disapproved of the system once given a proper demonstration. What we plan to do is to keep with our outreach projects to let folks know what it's all about.

We have to understand that in order for EF to grow in popularity, the gameplay must be as realistic as possible. I don't believe that one-stop is the best method for introducing new coaches because those with fooball knowledge might not respect it as much, and may come to look on it as a childish game. I say this out of my personal experiences and also with talking with friends of mine who have no desire to play EF.

When I came on the scene, I came in with no preferred method of playing. I played one-stop first and really didn't like it. I almost quit for good until I saw the AB DVD. I was hooked from then on.

What needs to happen in EF are multiple teams, tweaked and weighted to play in multiple styles so that we can all arrive at a point where we will be able to compete in any system accordingly.

That's my two-cents...

Beenutt,

I play multi-stop. This style allows coaches to run actual football plays. Not rugby plays. Sprint right option, out patterns, slants, curl-ins, post patterns, a real sweep. Just try it. Run a play and stop it at anytime and adjust players. I also like to play with cornerbacks either back peddling (zone)or running with the receiver (man to man). None of that placing a corner on a receiver and just pushing each other hoping your receiver braks free. Only adjust unengaged players. (offense and defense) Just think a fullback hiting a hole and blocking a linebacker allowing a tailback to follow him. Should I play man or zone. I use passing simulation sticks so picking a defense is a criticall call for a defensive coach. By the way you never answerd me back about where in New Castle do you visit?

NEWCASTLE,

I wanted to make one modest correction to your post. Remember that stoppages must be timed in advance to avoid an unfair advantage to the offense.

Ex:

If the offense has control of the switch at the snap, and the stoppage as in one-stop p or p, it is unfair to the defensive pass rush which may be an inch away from a sack.

You have to run timed stoppages to about 1.5 seconds each (3 in all + the snap makes 4) to keep the game consistent.

What ever you do on the field, must be within the boundaries of the stoppages.

--DM

stoppages
 

New Castle,

I go to visit Kasgro which you said is only 5 blocks away from you. I used to visit them about once/month but now I go about twice a year. Do you mind if I look you up the next time I'm in town?

DM,

How does the game time work out with multi-stops? I was the league commissioner in our Dixie League this year and I had to limit the number of pivots before each play to get all of the games in. Stopping the board 2-3 times per play, does that add a lot of time to the game?

beenutt

Ok Ok Ok....first Off I Am A Newbie To This Present Style Of Play...one Stop....and I Would Like To Correct One Thing That Is Constantly Being Misrepresented....in One Stop .....one Can Run Actual Plays......use Your Imagination And Football Knowledge...i Have Seen Various Coaches In The Beltsville League Run Actual Plays...screens, Traps, Misdirection.....like I Stated One Has To Use Their Imagination...and This Is In One Stop....but You Do Not Get The True Football Experience In One Stop...i Also Have Seen Linebackers...even Safeties Fill Gaps, Holes...once Again Use Your Football Knowledge...i Have Seen Lomax Run Different Zones To Cover Passing Formations...all Done In One Stop...although I Have Not Played Multi Stop In The Burgess League Yet...and I Do Stress Yet Because I Am Very Interested In Their Style Of Play Because It Requires Vast Football Knowledge And Is More Like Playing Speed Chess...which I Feel Will Enhance The Playing Experience...anyway I Weighed In Only Because I Feel The Multi Stop Supporters Are Misrepresenting One Stop Play

Thanks And Lets Work On Ways To Bridge The Many Gaps.....because I Enjoy This Hobby And All The Knowledge That The Many People Onthis Board Have To Offer And I Do Not Want To See Their Progress And Efforts Fade Away.......

Peace Morgan

The one-stop play is great, but it is old. I feel that real football has been adapted to fit into the game of "EF." What I would like to see is EF adapted to fit into real football. That is all that we are trying to do here.

In one-stop, how would one break on the ball, cut back, move the qb in the pocktet only to stop and pass, pursue the ball carrier and a multitude of other things?

EF figures only have two possible movements: Straight and arched. In multi-stop this is handled and EF is configured to match real football by adding the stoppages.

I am not mis-representing your style, but the original post was called "multi-stop, or one-stop" so I went in to place my bid.

Again, you must try the style before you comment on it, and that is what too many coaches are doing. I'd be more than happy to give you a demonstation over the phone, via email, or in person if possible.

...that said...GO GIANTS!!!

In the old GPEFL we always played 2 stops behind the LOS and also with front of base tackling. It really allowed for play development and more coaching strategy. Once you pivoted on offense the defense could turn any unengaged player towards the ball carrier. I think we ended up with very realistic stats doing this.

multui stop play
 

One thing I have always liked was the turn after the pass I got this from AB years ago and have always played it.It makes sense that the play could go on.Coaches should always keep an open mind about this game remember in the old tudor rule book it says to make the game to how you see it.The rules were just general rules!! Jim :cool:

One Stop
 

Here in the BMEFA league we play one stop pitch or pass and we do have a lot different plays. But know that we have the pleasure of playing with Coach Smity & Carter, A. Baxter, W. Travers so we have to bring our A game every week. We do sweeps, screens, picks, and traps. We just have rules set up that allow such plays on Off & Def. I here a lot about multi-stop and would like to play. So I'm NOT dissing multi-stop. I just want to let it be known you can run actual plays in P-o-P.

When playing out in public venues it is "One-Stop" (very misleading term sometimes) by far over "Multi-Stop" (another very loose term).

At home I play neither. I play a form of what we use to use back in the mid 1980's. It is neither multi nor one stop by definition. It really has no definition. But I guess since we're working with one and multi terms I can offer some sort of comparison term. Best I can do is Limited Stop. Meaning in comparison to the other two.... Usually more than one stop (but not always) but not every X seconds either. There are time phase elements involved on proper plays that logically support it. Other aspects are dictated by movement of the players on the board. It's the most fun for me over all other systems I've played under. But it is definitely not mainstream.

-Mike Pratt

one stop
 

offence already has the advantage to add multiple clicks only serves the offence even more:( .with 1 click the pass rush is afforded the hurry up by forcing the QB to stop play;) .if u then can click again can the uningaged players be angled:confused: ?if not that kills hurry ups QBs can see that hes not in danger:D .if OF players can be angled at all that amounts to turn & burn is that where we want to go:confused: ?DBs only have a small window when it comes to coverage, if u add more options to the OF i feel would only serve to tip the game even further:mad: .a clean straight forward set of rules limiting coach interference during plays is the way to limit confusion & promote cooperation between the leagues:) .let your hard work & the bases play.remember this is a game, played with chess pieces let the rules reflect that & not the notion that this is real with real players:eek: .peace

Alright, This is good!
 

Ok I Was Not Dissing The Mpfl Style Because As We Spoke On The Phone About...i Would Like To Try The Style Before Prejudging....and Being A Former Football Player And Coach At The Semi Pro Level, I Feel Like This Will Challenge My Football Knowledge And Allow Me To Transfer That Knowledge To The Ef Field...all I Was Trying To State Was That It Is Very Possible To Run The Similiar Plays In One Stop That You Run In The Mpfl...burgess We Spoke About This At Great Length And You Know That I Understand Your System And I Am Not Trying To Disrespect Your System....just Wanna Play Ef And Enjoy The Game While Playing Whether It Be One Stop Mpfl Or Any Other Style That I Will Try In The Future .....
Peace

Morgan

Think about this ?
 

It's Cool
 

Beenutt,

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Hey Dm,
I am not sure what you ment by timed stoppages in advance.

Send Anthony a PM. He will explain it to you.

Mike, your system...
 

Tweak freak,

Can you explain your style in more detail? It sounds very interesting to me. I'm looking for a style that I would like to play in my solitaire league - I've been trying different ways of stopping the board and so forth.

beenutt

I think I have been playing this way for years!
 

One rule I have and again I think I got it from AB is the the defense gets two players on magnets that can be called to stop the board and react to what is happing with the offense.One saftey one MLB or two safteys or two MLB what ever the defensive coach calls sometimes a coach will play its safetys to close and the reciever can get underneath or the coach reacts with the MLB to soon on a running play to me its makes sense!! and more realism!!!To me!!:D

we did not lable things back in the old days.......
 

Thanks for the post Prattski, we were not into labels back then.......:rolleyes: