A suggestion to all
 

As a few of you may know, I've been trying to recoup some money or men from Shawn from Detroit. I have not received nothing, now something else has arises from another person in the hobby. Same situation, Guys here this. Learn how to do things for yourself. Make men; tweak bases, paint teams, etc. There are some guys who give this hobby a black eye. I'm very thankful I'm starting to regain my eyesight and now I can do some things for myself. I show mused that at the MFCA con. By winning the fastest man contest during the great tweak off. So I say to you all learn how to do things for yourself, you will be better off.

Dearell

Same Problem ...
 

Coach

I had same problem with another guy. After a year and a half I finally got my figures. Geno will do ya right ! I've bought several bases from him and always great service !

Honest Folks......
 

Dearell and Tim,
That's a shame that you or anyone else in this
hobby should have to go thru BS like this.All you
hear is " fellowship;friendship;camaraderie;help
others out;do the right thing" blah,blah,blah......
Well these type of dealings don't fall under ANY
of those categories,do they .........
I speak from experience.I've had my share of shady
dealings with shady cats and I can say,it ain't fun & I ain't happy....
I whole-heartedly agree with putting the names of the
"crooks" out in the open for all to see.Humiliate them.
They deserve it.I have no use for a liar or a thief.
But I know this won't happen.It's not politically-
correct,plus I'm guessing there are "legal" issues.
I don't think a thief or a liar should have any legal recourse
here but the way our laws read,they probably do.
And would probably win.Sad but true......
All I can say to anyone looking to get work done,
is to post on here and ASK who is reputable and who,
those in the know, would recommend.I assume that's
allowed.Maybe not.

SEMPER FI,
Chris Stacey
Hampton,VA

i too like the ASK first thing.

just pop on here and for example say......


hey, i need the 74 redskins in dark jersey's, who is a reputable person to deal with?


then someone will chime in with a name or list of names and, there you go, contact one or more on the list and make your order....


i know myself personally, have been pretty fortunate, ive only got scammed twice, and once was probably a mistake, BUT, i want to throw this out now.there is so much talk of these bad dealings, and ive ordered stuff from a whole bunch of cats on here, so if i happen to owe you something, please send me an email or a private message, i will read it, and decide if its bogus or not...lol.

DO them your self point blank!

Point Blank....
 

Well Marty,
Not everyone has the talent or time or desire
to do them ,themselves.I'm not saying this to
get business.I'm saying this because these are
the facts.It's not "brain-surgery" but it takes
alittle "know-how" to paint/detail a team.I'm
sure many could pick it up easily.Some,not so easy.
That's just human nature.Not everything comes "easy"
to everyone.So for the ones that have issues with
doing their own team,there are people like myself
that try to help.That LIKE to help.It's not all about
money as many think.So let me clear that up right
up front before that gets turned into a nasty thread.
And believe me,it would get nasty.
If everyone learned how to paint/detail their own team(s)
it wouldn't bother me in the least.It would be a relief to
some extent.It's tuff pleasing some folks at times.Just
down-right frustrating.Not to mention getting paid like
you should.On time and in full.
So,although your idea is commendable,I don't see it
ever happening for the reasons I mentioned.Just my
thoughts on the matter.

SEMPER FI,
Chris Stacey
Hampton,VA

Painting & Decaling a team
 

I have Chris Stacey to paint & decal teams for me all the time. My hands aren't steady enough ! He doesn't do it for the money , he does it to help out the hobby. As far as doing them yourself, point blank , some of us can't so we have to find people that can. I work alot on the road so my time is limited somewhat.

Do them your self
 

As Tim and Chris pointed out. Not everyone can do them their selves. No we can not name names on this forum due to the legal liabilities and anyone who does so is subject to violating the MFCA Code of Conduct.

If you have issues with some one then do it through PM or email. The majority of the people in this hobby are reputable but just like anywhere you have the few who are not.

Nothing the MFCA as an organization can do about that.

I HEAR YOU GUYS YEAH YOU RIGHT, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE PATIENCE OR THE TIME. IT IS GOOD THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAS THE TALENT TO DO ITthmbsp$ .

This is the funny part about all this
 

Twice I've been burned by 2 different people from the same mid west city. One I get no answer from and the other comes up with a bunch of excuss and promises when you talk to them. It's crazy........


Dearell

all i got to say is it's not me , my name is 100 % gold.
Dearell just say ther name's and put them out there

Ive been waiting since December
 

I paid Shawn (one to watch) 475 dollars to do a 1996 Broncos team, and im still waiting. He hasnt responded to my PM's since April.

I do understand
 

I did not send as much as you did. $120 to Shawn, and about 50 to 75 of product to the other person. Nothing from Shawn or the other guy. Money and product (bases) given to both of them at the meggle tourny 2010.

Dearell

What!
 

You guys gotta be kidding me - $475. I would do a team for you guys for less than half that. That is just too much - especially in such a small hobby community - just amazing and ridiculous!

Update
 

Still no Men or Product, LOL. :( :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl:

Dearell

Bob,

It can get like that in this hobby for teams that are custom made. That is way so much is made of the deal gone bad.

do the math... $15 to 20 per figure (on average completed) and you do a 40 man roster.......

WOW
 

Here is the way that I like to do business.
I don't ask for any money up front, I will let you know when the teams or figures are done and then you pay me.
One never knows what will happen that can delay the painting process. Example, I am painting a Redskins team for someone but my business has been very busy so I have had little or no time to work on them.
I have let the client know the status of the team, what % I have painted, on a monthly basis keeping him in the loop at all times.
That is my 2 cents.

Motivation
 

I too don't want to be paid up front. If I am given figures to paint they are a good enough deposit.

Also the the money is the reward when the job is finished. Having it up front becomes anticlimactic. I took a commision for a portrait painting several years ago and I was paid upfront. It was the hardest thing to make myself finish it because I already had the reward. Perhaps that is part of what happened on the situation being discussed.

However, that is no excuse for not doing it!

Why I don't do business.
 

Unless I am sitting right there.

I have a busy personal life. I did a team a while back for a coach and I didn't accept money until the product was available. Another coach I tweaked at a site I told him that the surface I was tweaking on would render the bases inconsistent on other fields. He said do it anyway then went on other surfaces and was not satisfied. Next time I saw him I pulled the starting safeties off my team and gave them to him. That was the end of that.

When I get my teams detailed, I have used Chris Stacey more than anyone. Very reliable and always on time. He goes out of his way to please you. If you are disatisfied with his work then don't do business with anyone because you have a problem.

Mike Guttman did a Giants team for me. He is very honest and up front and does excellent work. He is on time and keeps you posted.

I tweak my own bases but I have never had a problem with seeing one I like then buying it on site. I do not buy bases site unseen. To me, IMHO, it's like buying from clothes from a catalog without taking measurements.

I will buy bases from Jim Davis. An expert Barterer he delivers what he says he will right then and there.

Steve Martin is also a very honest detailer. Chuck Lawrence is the Bomb and he is just as good as Mike or Chris however he is so busy that I have to get too far in line. That Penn State team I brought from him remains one of the best paint jobs I have ever seen.

Jamel Goodloe is honest as they come. He does his own everything so he doesn't have to deal with any of this and I commend him for that.

Everybody buys their first runs from Jimmy.

That's my experience and I consider all these guys of high morale Charactor.

Some people I haven't dealt with locally so they may be great but I have no first hand experience.

Just my thoughts.

ken
 

THANKS FOR THE GOOD WORDS MY FRIEND.thmbsp$ thmbsp$ :twkr: shkthbx:
DON'T COUNT YOURSELF OUT MY FRIEND YOU TWEAK BASES JUST AS GOOD AS ANY-ONE I KNOW.thmbsp$ thmbsp$

Man Thank you guys
 

I have to announce that I have recovered some of my product (bases). Because of the great responses from this post. I think guys are trying to do the right thing. Also I think that we all can use something like this. It’s unfortunate that I had to do this the way I did, but it had to be done. I remember a while back another coach on here got dragged thru the Mud. For some stuff he didn't come up with in a timely manner. But if he could have communicated what was going on with him it could have lighten the blow. The coach "saying no name" was staying in a place where he could not communicate. But some in the EFL community knew and didn't say anything. So for all those who know that someone is going thru, you don't have to tell the whole story. But give people a heads up that the person is going thru some stuff. So the person, who is filling like they just got taken advantage of, will have some understanding.

Just my 2 cents

Dearell