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mark robin 08-22-2010 01:05 AM

oh my goodness collectors looky here.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/1967-Tudor-Elect...efaultDomain_0


wow, is this real, how neat it would be to own that all at one time, just BAM there you go, instant collection.....wow!

eflfanatic 08-22-2010 08:40 AM

WOW!!!
 
That's incredible, but is it really worth $4000.00???? Maybe if all figures were complete (no injuries). But still very tempting.

Electric Coach 08-22-2010 11:18 AM

REALLY!
 
That dude is crazy. What makes it really ridiculous is the fact that it comes with no bases.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

mark robin 08-22-2010 02:37 PM

im sure you can look at it a few ways. some common teams are worth ony 30-45 bux each, But, some harder ones to get have gone for between 350 and 450 bux in the past. it breaks down to right under 100 bux a team, which is a tad high, BUT, you get them all at once, which makes it pretty appetising. in the past, ive seen the saints/steelers/redskins and a few others reach into the 400 dollar range, and he has all of them. its still neat , but , i aint got that kinda cash, and probably, unless i was very well off, wouldnt do it. ...but, if i had the extra cash, i might pull the trigger.

Kaintgetrite 08-22-2010 02:56 PM

Hmm
 
For the guys that have these items, what do yo do with them?? Play games or displaying them??

sweetka 08-22-2010 04:34 PM

Display.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaintgetrite (Post 119234)
For the guys that have these items, what do yo do with them?? Play games or displaying them??


As a collector I would not consider buying those teams.

eflfanatic 08-22-2010 06:21 PM

Why not
 
Quote:

As a collector I would not consider buying those teams.
Ken,

Why would you not consider buying them?

sweetka 08-22-2010 09:41 PM

Well!
 
When I began collecting I learned the difference between what brings the authenticity to antique teams.

My collection was amassed "in bag", and there are many instances, as a collector, where it is very important, at least to me, that all the players or teams came from the same lot.

When I dealt big man teams I immediately let the buyers know if there was a hog leg.

I personally consider a authentic big man collection as each individual team coming from the same bag.

There are some that claim that they have a collection but very few have a true collection. The Browns for instance have that coffee color but I sold some Browns, I believe to Mark Kistner, that would clearly show the difference between authentic, as opposed to pieced together.

I am not knocking the collections as there are clearly 4 teams that came from the same lot. Just because they used toothpicks to paint them does not mean that you can't see the difference.

It's like getting one painted by Guttman, One Stacey, One Chucl Lawrence, etc. etc.

Just my thoughts. Take a closer look now and tell me what you see.

eflfanatic 08-22-2010 09:53 PM

Thanks Ken,
 
I think I see what you are talking about. I have emailed the seller asking for history of the item and have reviewed his profile and feedback From what he told me could very well be pieced together teams. He has bought various collections and resold as separate teams.

Electric Coach 08-22-2010 10:13 PM

I Understand
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetka (Post 119240)
When I began collecting I learned the difference between what brings the authenticity to antique teams.

My collection was amassed "in bag", and there are many instances, as a collector, where it is very important, at least to me, that all the players or teams came from the same lot.

When I dealt big man teams I immediately let the buyers know if there was a hog leg.

I personally consider a authentic big man collection as each individual team coming from the same bag.

There are some that claim that they have a collection but very few have a true collection. The Browns for instance have that coffee color but I sold some Browns, I believe to Mark Kistner, that would clearly show the difference between authentic, as opposed to pieced together.

I am not knocking the collections as there are clearly 4 teams that came from the same lot. Just because they used toothpicks to paint them does not mean that you can't see the difference.

It's like getting one painted by Guttman, One Stacey, One Chucl Lawrence, etc. etc.

Just my thoughts. Take a closer look now and tell me what you see.

I understand what you are talking about regarding true antiques. I think it would be cool to own a complete game set actually from the 1940's, but I don't think it would be worth mutiple thousands of dollars. In my opinion, that current auction should range between $350 to $400 tops.

If an electric football auction is to go for thousands of dollars, much more should be in the auction such as antique boards, bases, and other components.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

sweetka 08-22-2010 10:31 PM

My estimate:
 
This is only what I would pay:

1200

this is based on what I see. The price could range up to 1800 but whatever isn't there better be good.

Just my thoughts.

49ers_Fan 08-23-2010 10:25 AM

Ken I agree totally. I may have every big man team made by Tudor. But it's hard to get every piece that came from the same bag. Because of injuries, KEN Allot of people do not know that the Jets in W you have to piece together from the old Jets Vs Colts Super bowl set. I think that what would have really sold this auction is if the seller would have showed pics of some more of his prize positions team like the Jets W, Denver D, New England D, and Houston D.

Dearell





Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetka (Post 119240)
When I began collecting I learned the difference between what brings the authenticity to antique teams.

My collection was amassed "in bag", and there are many instances, as a collector, where it is very important, at least to me, that all the players or teams came from the same lot.

When I dealt big man teams I immediately let the buyers know if there was a hog leg.

I personally consider a authentic big man collection as each individual team coming from the same bag.

There are some that claim that they have a collection but very few have a true collection. The Browns for instance have that coffee color but I sold some Browns, I believe to Mark Kistner, that would clearly show the difference between authentic, as opposed to pieced together.

I am not knocking the collections as there are clearly 4 teams that came from the same lot. Just because they used toothpicks to paint them does not mean that you can't see the difference.

It's like getting one painted by Guttman, One Stacey, One Chucl Lawrence, etc. etc.

Just my thoughts. Take a closer look now and tell me what you see.


sweetka 08-23-2010 03:22 PM

You really can.
 
Piece together the Jets but I actually purchased a set that had all 11 big men. You get them with the AFC/NFC 500 size game. Even the receivers. It was because they transitioned Eagles in white I believe that were not big sellers. Most teams that were not big sellers, ie, New Orleans, Dallas, Detroit, Eagles, were not big sellers at that time and some were recycled.

I just don't want people to make a considerable mistake then find the true worth.

Besides, the seller would get a better price selling then in team sets or even more individually.

That way the seller gets the best price from the bidding pool and the buyer gets to evaluate what they want.

Painstaking, but fair to everyone!

Just my thoughts.

PS, I can't contact you "D" if you don't send a number. No, I don't owe him, yet! :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl:

eflfanatic 08-23-2010 10:29 PM

Negotiating
 
Quote:

This is only what I would pay:

1200

this is based on what I see. The price could range up to 1800 but whatever isn't there better be good.

Just my thoughts.
Ken very interesting. I have actually contacted the seller to negotiate purchasing this collection and $1200.00 (a little less than $30.00 per team) is what I was considering as a good offer. The main reason I want to purchase this collection is to create a museum quality traveling display to use as a promotional tool to help promote the MFCA and the game and hobby itself.

mark robin 08-23-2010 11:23 PM

dang. remember, i got over 450 teams and 23 boards with close to 3000 bases, and 4k might get that.


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