Mondays: Question of The Day: Integrity in Electric Football
 

Easy. Get rid of the 'win at all costs guy'

It's great if you want to win every game (who doesn't) but the guy that is a 'donkey' about doing it turns off everyone.

Have fun. Play Hard. And drink lots of beer! :D thmbsp$

It is essential for a successful league.
Integrity is doing the right thing. The Golden Rule. if your runner gets tackled and the other coach did not see it , call it and tell him my guy was tackled.

Putting the betterment of the league above the betterment of the individual.

All that was said, and then some......
 

Go into every league game, fun game and EF MF EVENT with the appropriate attitude. And at this "stage" of the game, EF almost phased out of the mainstream, we should just feel lucky that we still have somebody to play the game with.

Then, act accordingly.

FUN, FELLOWSHIP and FAIRNESS=INTEGRITY! thmbsp$

MAKE THE OTHER COACH BETTER, COACH HIM IF HE.....
 

COACHABLE$cch$
THAT WAY THE NEXT TIME YOU PLAY IT WILL BE A EVEN BETTER GAME:)

SHOW HIM YOU WERE ABLE TO RAN A CERTAIN PLAY AND HOW TO SOLVE IT, SO THE NEXT TIE YOU PLAY, IT WILL BE A EVEN BETTER GAME:)

IF HE'S A NUT, :eek:

good point, but that only applies to the new coach or young coach. More experienced coaches will not give up too many "trade" secerts because they may not feel they can overcome someone knowing their plays....

The difficulty of bringing more coaches into the fold, is because iof many things.

Here are my two main 'roadblocks' to advancement
- EF is 100% hands on
- lack of knowledge on EF & unwillingness to 'develop something from hand'

and of course the Video games.........

Intergrity.
 

Does not start on a board,
In a league,
Or during a game.

It starts at home,
teaching and mentoring kids,
then having to be the example.

People who can't keep their house together due to trust or neglect.
People who are always telling you about themselves and how they can be trusted.
People who point out the bad guy to you.
People who have children but find every reason to blame the other for not being able to see them.
People who feel they are nobody without being a winner in this game.
People who, once they have failed, find every reason to screw over one of their own because they want to be the first.
People who gang up on a good coach because they don't want them to win their league.
People who pile bases to your opponent because they don't like ya.
People who make rules to hinder others because they can't learn to adjust.

on and on and on

It starts with being unselfish,
then continuing to do in the face of those who do otherwise.

Integrity is not just the game, or the fellowship
because you can enjoy neither without it.

The correct word is trust.

You can't TRUST people to do the right thing.
You can't TRUST people to be honest in their dealings.
You can't TRUST people to own up to their mistakes.

Although you may be the only one in the room doing so.
When people see an injustice, speak up! Stop watching while knowing the truth. It perpetuates the madness.

Forget the cheaters. They are like drug addicts, alcoholics, pathelogical liars. They are so far in denial that they try to make you believe that you are the liar, or cheater, or theif.

Look yourself in the mirror. Know who you are. Don't become one of THEM!

And then there are the theives around here. That's worse.

Just my thoughts.

Great point Ken we as has vets who play this hobby must understand winning isn't everything. There always going to be a winner and a loser. But if winning at all cost is a priority to you. Than you need to step back and take a good look in the mirror. Because at the end of the day were talking about some plastic men.

Dearell

Whoa Ken........

ROFLMAO!
 

Not speaking totally on personal experience Zeek.

Observations and the like.

I know it seems crude but the comments are not directed at anyone more than the overall problems some of us have.

On the flipside some are too trusting. Some mean well but sometimes get over their head and don't know how to work it out.

I learned a long time ago on Ebay how to be careful. Once you find someone good stay with them.

A great example for me is Chris Stacey, and Mike Guttman. I know there are other great painters who have their integrity. However, for my money I will stick with their skillset knowing my money is SAFE. No wait, no worries. Communication never a problem. Timeliness never an issue. Can they put wings on guys and make them fly, probably not. But I know for sure that what I ask for I get. No complaints whatsoever. So I do not venture. If I did I would probably look up Frank Jacobs.

Duane Jennings-Always gives you what you ask for, no frills, dead on, right away.

In fact, why don't we take all this negative guff and turn it into a positive. Let's start a post ONLY, and I mean ONLY, speaking of people we have had Good TRADES with. Maybe it could be a sticky in the trade forum and be the only post that can go on.

If they are not on the post, then it's your fault if you don't see the red flag. If a person starts out great, then screw you over, then remove your post with a statement, "I retract this post supporting this product". That way you are not accusing anyone of anything. Of course if I saw this and I was about to deal with someone I would surely send a "Private Message" to find out why the post was retracted, NOT DELETED.

Based upon my reading and talking with my brother this would not make the MFCA liable for anything.

Just my thoughts.

I've only traded/purchased/received from/with Treks1, GrandmasterKC, Mozeek, Larue, HOOP, and 46Defense. Happy to thank them and recommend them all. Treated me fantastic!

Add them . . ,
 

To my list as well. I'd highly recommend all those cats.

right on
 

KEN AND everyone else hit it right on the head. it all starts within of your self
to play this game for fun. win or lose.


BRONCOMAN

KEN ALLAN you are a true Man of integrity and it is your light....
 

that will keep leading those that are rightly guided or REDIRECT those that have lost their way and need to follow the PATH back to that which is right.
thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$
Brother I can not thank you enough for going the extra mile for me.thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$ thmbsp$

Oh boy! That light needs a BIGGER bulb! There are people around that light that can't see it!

Wow Shabby ....I would ask what you are talking about....But...that might take this thread a different route......

Integrity...
 

Integrity is a learned habit. Humility is the key to integrity. Integrity doesn't grow on trees and can't just be picked up because someone says they have it. You have to be completely transformed in your mind. Humility takes practice!

We are sinful creatures by nature. Not that I am calling anyone in specific a sinner but the reality of it is that we all are. Our flesh was born into a world of sin and we operate under its law. Here is where humility comes into play...the problem is not the sinner or the person who has the issue of integrity. Lets call this person "the thief." The "thief" has an issue yes but we know not why, nor do we know the situation nor the circumstances that lead the "thief" to his actions, nor do we know the "thiefs" lineage. This does not mean he gets a free pass but what it does mean is that as a community we must promote "better" to obtain "better". The problem can't be fixed by addressing the "sinner" or the "thief by publicly bashing them.

You see we will never come into a place of love, integrity and fellowship less we first learn how to forgive. We all have sinned and it just bothers me when others are quick to condemn someone but their secrets lye hiding in a closet somewhere. Whom are we to judge? Lay your cards on the table, are you truly worthy of forgiveness? I guarantee that most of us here if we were sincerely speaking would say "we are not worthy of forgiveness". When we go online or secretly get on conference calls to spread cancer like symptoms about another individual that further seperates us from getting into the place of tranquility, peace, fun and fellowship with each other. When the sinner is saturated in an environment promoted with love, fellowship and integrity and know that his flaws are not judged that and that alone is what promotes change. However, on the flip side with criticism and judgment come defensiveness and anger which will never lead us into the place of integrity. An individual must be provoked into change. Something has to trigger that switch. Internal uncomfort provokes change, external uncomfort provokes anger. It is important that we know and understand the difference and how they apply to your brother.

When you see a brother make a mistake or fall, lift him up and encourage him. Don't get angry and talk about him. Pull him to the side, talk to him. Even if he doesn't like the talk he would have heard it and when he goes home it will sit with him in his spirit. He will respect you and your actions will have promoted change in his life. Maybe not immediately, but if enough of this is deposited into his life, it will provoke a response. Dont spread cancer like symptoms and try to ruin him, for he will resent the hobby and its cause and will become a cancer himself.

That is how we get back to integrity

WOW... now we need a new smiley icon.....

A preacher on a pedastool :rllngs: :rllngs: :rllngs: :rllngs:

GREAT POST MIKE.
 

WOW, PREACH PREACHER(LOL). THAT WAS A GREAT POST MIKE, YOU SUMMED IT RIGHT UP, YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD WITH THIS ONE. I JUST LOVE THE TRUTH WHEN I HEAR IT AND WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS THE HONEST TO GOD TRUTH. THE REALNESS IN IT'S PUREST FORM. NO OBJECTIONS HERE, WELL SAID. NOTHING BUT LOVE MY BRUTHAppls$ .

Rick
 

You funny man!

I agree we should not "call people out" but by hyping the people of integrity we actually rid ourselves of the thief as stated in an earlier post.

So looking at your last post Kenny ;You think that we should rid ourselfs of players or members of the ef community instead of steering them in the right direction??


I may be wrong so explain please.

Depends.
 

I wouldn't invite a theif into my home. Mentoring is for the willing. I have done it all my life. Some you can't save but you keep trying. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to save yourself from going wayward as well.

Hope this helps.

thanks Mike
 

Thanks Mike... We needed to hear some of that.

If we are to follow Ken down his path, we may cause more harm than good... I know I have been victim of such bashing in the past for reasons not my fault or their fault directly, but still endered the trouble. I have had dealing with many here and as the "seller" have provide very good service to all. However, when I am the "buyer" I don't get the same treatment from some here... but I stopped trying to 'call them out' because it will not make any difference to the root cause of why..... it just makes it fustrating when it's your turn to be on the other end....

as long as we are open to communicate with each other, all things can be worked out, if you want them to be worked out....

:mtcnts:

can't resist
 

Integrtiy,

levell shelton told me at the miggle in baltimore, "Integrity and character is what you do when no one is looking "

When your not 100% in agreement WITH SOME COACHES all the time. They will figure out a way to view you as an outcast instead of and honest person who chooses to think for themselves. Trust me, THE CELL PHONE CLICKS STILL EXIST. Im not a phone person and never was. If i contact a coach it is strictly business in regards to decals or services. more coming.
I did talk to some coaches in the past via phone outside of business and they all have turned out to have done something. a coach can be deemed not a team player via the cell phone gang. I WILL ADMITT, i did a taste test several times to prove a point to myself. I HAVE PUT UP SOME CONTROVERSIAL POST PURPOSELY TO SEE A PATTERN.

Before this phony post i look to see who is online at the bottom of our page. I see it is not many. Then i put up the phony post. 2 minutes later it is always the same cast of characters who miraculously appear on line all at the same time. That is the cell phones working overtime. Ring, ' you see what dre posted ". I noticed this at least 10 times. Then the replies comes, well this well that.

This is why trust comes to visit me very seldom. I was taught to always watch everybody. A wise man told me to never take with both hands and expect nothing.

I learned to totally appreciate the good ones in the hobby . There are some great ones in our world. The great chris stacey is at the top of the list.
To me, ken allen is like THE GREAT AL SHARPTON. Because he will tell you like it is and do what he can to solve problems objectively.

mantaraydre

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Trying to understand what path you think I am taking here K-Lo. You say call out and forgive in the same sentence almost. When it comes to money you get one shot with me. Family members, exluding mom and dad, included. When it comes to business dealings, and my money, I am cut from a different cloth and knowing this I am VERY careful who I do business with. Anyone I have to ask for my money I am done with, period. Same with product.

I never said to remove people but I will remove myself. All others may stay. That's what I speak to competitively. I thank Mike Turner "2005" for that.

One thing I can say for sure is no one has ever been looking for me on this site. I give no credence to those who cannot say the same.

My Great Grandfather, Washington Henry McCloud, who built the first Frank Luke Missionary Baptist Church in Dexter, Georgia used to say that the lord would not give you more than you can handle.

People should understand that, even in their dealings with others.

Thanks Dre
 

Some have taken this too personal and for the record this post was the result of a coversation regarding business dealings, not competitive play. Some to the league rhetoric was to NOT point fingers at anyone. Then you read some of this, where it comes from, and there it is.

I have played for 42 years and have seen or been a part of many situations. I started playing with Alan and Tony Jones in a three man league and replayed games because I loved to play so much in the 70's. I still love them brothers like brothers no matter what fate life has taken them through. Even today, if someone said something happened to anyone from the GL I will be there. But those who don't know is directly attributable to those second hand gossipers, just like you said, who ride the phones and PM's. I see that as well my friend.

Just you do me a favor. Don't let the naysayers quell your enthusiasm. Don't look past your post. I have been guilty myself of cracking a joke or two at your expense but I'm just a silly dude acting alone. We need your hype.

Great Post
 

You no guys this is funny in a sense, some of the some folks you guys highly recommend has some of the same Characteristic has some of the people who may have integrity issues. They haven't done it to you; I think communication is a key when doing business with people. Example I owe Mike Robertson some bases from a couple of months ago. But I had to explain to him my health was bad and was not able to get them to him. And I’ll get them to him ASAP. But guys Like this dude i will not mention, who takes people money and say the heck with everybody. That’s when you should call people out.


Just my 2 cents

Dearell

maybe I miss understood your direction
 

what I am saying is that "calling folks out can be both a good thing and a bad thing because of one's perception to the real 'issue' .... for example, coach A does a job for Caoch B and puts products in the mail (with all the protection needed) yet the parcle never arrives.... bad issue, right?! ... however after all resources used to find, yet it is still missing... Not the Fault of coach A directly, but if Coach B calls out that coach without including the facts, Coach A looks like an "unworthy" business partner. Although ultimately Coach A still has the responsiblity to make the situation right, but has been "indavertly called out" and will now not get the chance to make it right because now it's a personal thing because Coach B put it out without the facts ..... seen this many times.........

here is another example
Coach J orders bases from Tweaker #1...sends payment and informed by Tweaker #1 that your order will be filled by Due date.....
...due date comes and pass.... 2 weeks after have come and passed and Coach J makes an inquiry for his items...Tweaker #1 says "i am behind and you will get it whenever I can get to it."........ 2 more weeks go by and you cannot get Tweaker #1 on the phone/email.....

Which way should Coach J take.... Put Tweaker #1 thru the "being called out" or given more time to complete the job??

in the past, it would have been easy to put the tweaker on blast, but that will not help the next guy because the true facts of that transaction is not fully disclosed.

I just think before we call some one out, have all the facts available for the next person to make an educated decesion on who he will turn to for help...

k-lo

Nothing wrong with that Dearell!
 

I say honor your word. Things happen and that's when communication is necessary. If Chris or Mike or many others told me, I got behind, da, da, da, it would never be a problem. I know these guys. I researched and trusted my gut instincts.

When communication breaks down, and times goes by and that phone don't ring?, then you know you have a problem. Late is way different than never.

that's what I am saying
 

this is where you come to the point of making the call... Blast or keep trying

depending on who it is, whether or not they get a "pass"...........

Let's be honest K-LO
 

They would have lost me when they stated they will get to it when they can.

Didn't they give you a deadline initially. Months, then years go by and you are still calling them? What's the time frame before you say, act or move on.

In this hobby you have to move on because most of these things happen across state lines or in places where unruliness could cost you your job or career.

I did buy customs from a local yocal, and by the time I got home to stand them up they looked like the scarecrow after being attacked by flying monkeys in the "Wizard Of Oz". :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl:

I went right back to his house and sat there while he fixed every single one of them. After that, I was done because that is not how I would do people.

I wish I could have back many of the bases I have tweaked for others. You mentioned that you give great product only to see less in return. On that note you should watch for and seek those who do the same. They are there you know. Don't settle. Competition weeds out the bad seeds as well IMHO.

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Get rid of the self-promoters. We need to uplift others, not spend our time putting ourselves on a pedestal.

DON'T TAKE MY MONEY IF YOU CAN'T PROVIDE A QUALITY PRODUCT.......WHEN YOU ARE A SELLER IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THE TRANSACTION RIGHT....IF AFTER YOU TAKE SOMEONE'S HARD EARNED MONEY AND YOU SEND ME A LESS THAN STELLAR PRODUCT AND THEN WHEN I COMPLAIN AND YOU TELL ME THAT YOU WILL SEND ME MY MONEY BACK AND TO THROW AWAY THE PRODUCT ...THEN WHY WOULD YOU CHARGE ME FOR SOMETHING YOU ARE WILLING TO THROW AWAY????????

MANTA RAY DRE....THE CELL PHONE CLIQUE HAS DIED DOWN A BIT.....BUT YOU ARE SO CORRECT......

YOU BURN ME ONCE YOU WILL NEVER SEE MY MONEY AGAIN AND I WILL TELL OTHERS OF YOUR POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE PRACTICES.....FELLAS THERE ARE PLENTY OF CONSUMERS ON HERE WHO HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM THIS HOBBY BECAUSE OF THE GUYS WHO DO "BAD BUSINESS"

MY PARTING STATEMENT IS...... WHY SHOULD WE FORGIVE WHEN NO APOLOGY HAS BEEN OFFERED ......NOT TO ME BUT TO THE ONE'S THAT YOU HAVE OFFENDED .... OBVIOUSLY MANY HAVE BEEN OFFENDED .......

After re-reading this thread....I realized that MAYBE...... Reginald and Dunham have the right Idea.....maybe Solitaire is a good way to go........

All Caps!
 

Great points!

I don't agree with this K-LO
 

I have been allowing coaches to pick my brain and share strategy. I had to get better once they caught on. This goes back and forth. It's healthy.

Mozeek!
 

DOWN WITH SOLITAIRE!:rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl: :rtfl:

Kenny

I thought this post was about people pressing to hard for a win and not about people riping people off.

So I did misunderstand your point in the other post.


Sorry

Actually Doug .....The original intent was to discuss INTEGRITY...which actually pertains to Both situations.....

Pressing too hard for a win.....I maybe wrong but that wasn't an issue I think the way one goes about winning or the I must win at any cost.......
But I could be wrong......