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Pros and Cons to FOB tackling?
I want to hear some testimony on the pros and cons of front of base tackling. I am considering playing with this type of tackling. Thanks.
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here are some of the things I have found out......
I don't know about the CONS, but we have been league-playing FOB since 2002 and it has been great.
- you will need to have talent on your team, not just stength on the O-line and D-line - the running game can become your 'go to' plays... - removal of the 'back of the base' tackles - more scoring for those who learn how to execute their plays better. |
Oh my this should be interesting. I am in the recliner feet up snacks in hand.
I have never played FOB (front of base). I have only played AT (any touch). I am also interested. Geno H |
Does the FOB also apply to a receiver that has busted thru on a long pass and now no one is able to stop him? Or does any touch now apply after he has caught a pass? Is FOB only used on a running play?
Just needed some more clarification. Ive never played FOB before either. Joel |
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FOB is on running plays only.
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Thanks Jeff,
For that very quick response and info.. Good luck in your league and have a nice day.. Joel |
FOB is used thru the entire game in the BEFL .....
FOB can work in the passing game, but you can't always play a blitzing defense .... even in AT world............ |
Not Many Cons On Offense
OFFENSE
Easier to run the ball More options to choose from Easier to have a more balanced offensive attack Less of a threat for the passing QB being tackled It takes less skill to move the ball Easier to run and execute real football plays Some coaches can run the ball the entire game (every single play) Some coaches can pass the ball the entire game (every single play) DEFENSE Accuracy is at premium You are forced to play more balanced Many coaches tend to use more players on the LOS Many coaches tend to use more players in the box Playing the gaps on the D line is a good idea It takes more skill and understanding of your players to make tackles Seeing and Agreeing on Tackles can be more controversial D line play is usually relegated to forward strength More difficult to run stunts or employ deception on the D line w/out paying for it Depending on the rule set, it can end-up being more about strength than skill, speed, finesse and strategy. In other words it can end-up being like -rugby. So, it is important to use a set of rules that will prevent rugby ball. Please keep in mind that the above is just my opinion from my experience and observations. This is definitely not a comprehensive listing of pros and cons. These are just some things from off the top. Also, please keep in mind that different rule-sets may allow for more/less flexibility of the items listed above. Hey Joel, Some leagues use FOB on all plays. Others might use FOB on all plays except for pass plays and/or kick-offs. It appears that the differences could be more related to your geographical location or league. -Adrian- :) :) :D :) :) |
Thanks for all the info and insight Adrian, would like to play this style and see how it goes. Well back to painting and tweaking, wish I had a new set of hands and eyes.
Take care and see ya soon. Joel |
Clarification
Is FOB:
Tackle is made when the TACKLERS" FOB touches anywhere on the ballcarrier/receiver. or Tackle is made ONLY when a TACKLER makes contact with the FRONT of the Ball carrier/receiver? |
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Tacklers front of base touches anywhere on the ball carriers base.
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What I thought
That is how my son and I play - just wanted to be sure.
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I think if you allow 3 players to push in the back field (similar to the Texas shoout and DFW rules) then I believe FOB tackling would tilt the scales too much for offense. If the rules stipulate that the QB can't push then i believe FOB for the first 10 yards from the line of scrimmage is a good way to play.
The size of the board makes a big difference too. A wider board means more running lanes and hence I believe is probably better suited for any touch. Lastly, the "audible" or "formation" rules make a big differnece too. For example the Texas shootout rules make stacking against a run a desperation move since the offense can audible the RBs out of their original formations with the defense only allowed to move only 1 player. If the rules dictated that the defense could adjust 1 for 1 on audibles, then they could easily stack against a running formation and I would think that a running play with any touch tackling would be very difficult. |
Good Post
Adrian is right.
Also you must consider who you play as that plays a important part. On Front of the base tackling, it is more realistic than any touch. But FOB requires that you turn players to be more effective. You must understand pursuit angles. Now the flat front part of the base is a solid tackle, but the corner ( the somewhat rounded part) is questionable and this is your broken tackle option. See if this will help you: Take your base and trace your base on paper. Now take your player and do the same. Draw a strait line even with the sides of the base that goes in front of the base. The area between the two lines of the base is the tackle zone of that player. If on a tackle the runners base/figure is in the tackle zone of the tackler then you have a tackle, but if the runners bases/figure is not in the tackle zone of the tackler then you have a broken tackle. A referee should bake that call not the coaches playing. Michigan Joe: I can't say anything about that style as I have never played it. But I can say that there needs to be a balance on both sides of the ball. This option must be there or you give someone an advantage over the other due to the set up of the style your playing in. FOB works best when you can turn players ( Players can react ) and every player that is not touching the opposing player should be allowed to react/turn. But guidline need to be in place to police this. |
Rules definetly have to be tweaked to balance the play. I like FOB but we did have some issues under quick board speed as to whether it was a tackle or not because things happened to quickly.
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Fob
I agree with Wolf...I like the concept, but I think if you use this style in big tourneys, you would have to slow the board a bit, or let the defense stop the board as needed to see if a tackle has been made...otherwise the arguments begin! ("He got him" No he didn't" etc.)
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Defense gets to run the board if it is a running play, and offense gets to run the board if it is anything else.
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The thing about MF in general - each one call the game the same on both sides of the ball....if you want a broken tackle, you have to be willing to concede a broken tackle, etc... Board speed can improve game play or cause more of the "scrum" because it's to slow. Some coaches try to use it as an advantage (slow speed) but all-in-all FOB is fun. |
Balanced Control
With FOB there needes to be balance. Each side wants this and that. Simply give them the same thing and how they use it makes the difference.
When the board stops, both sides have the same opportunity. This eliminates arguments. Offense goes first, then the defense goes 2ND. Move and counter move. Like links in a chain, you have Stoppages+FOB+Timed adjustments+Pay and Game clock+Enforcment of football rules+Realism+Understanding of actual football plays and fuctions= A balance and playable game play for current and future coaches. Now use off props+focus on props+other none football related issues= Unbalanced and a difficult game play for current and future coaches. With each link supporting the next it eliminates the issues such as, " It hit him vs It did not, is it a tackle or not, etc." I like to think of it like this, a coutship between actual football and playability leads to a marriages that reflects all that football is . The offspring is fairness, balance, realism. Some times what we like is what is hurting the game. Some times we think it sounds good but ?????? That is the issue, Speculation !!!! Give things an honest try and leave the speculation at the door. So FOB needs to have a support system around it for it to be really effective and balanced. With out this your just opening the door to more issues that we really don't need.:D Quote:
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Side tackle
I like to play that you can tackle from the front or the side but not from the rear. That mean you have shoe string tackles but not tackling with your butt. Seems you still have more offense, but fills the lanes up a little better.
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Great replies. The reason I asked this question is I am losing my nephews interest in the game. They want more scoring. We started playing a multi-stop rules but now I am coming up with defenses that king of prevents them from scoring on every down. They both play organized football so they know that scoring on every drive is almost unheard of. But they reply that MF is just a game. I told them not for me it's a hobby. So,they wanted to play that an engaged defender can't make a tackle. I told them it would be TOO lopsided for the offense. Then I suggested front of base tackling. I guess we are going to have to experiment. Keep the responses coming.
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From the mouth of Babes
Well this multi stop:( ( MPFL ) Is just what the doctor ordered.
With FOB tackling this makes the game play like just what thay see and play. Children have a way of seeing the right and truth in things that most adults don't want to see and get upset when someone points it out to them. Now Multi stop is not an accurate name, it suggest that there is no limit to the number of times the board is stopped. One must understand the reason WHY you stop the board, and that is to react for the players, pass, or hand the ball off. There is a time limit of 20 seconds to get it done. The board stops at a pre determined time, 1 second, 1.3, or .7, .8 etc . There is a limit to the number of times the board is stopped. There is a traid off from controling the board to controling your players.This brings balance and fairness to both sides. Quote:
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I only stop the board once maybe twice during a play. My nephews stop it numerouse times. I tweak all the bases so what they want a player to do may not be what that base is tweaked for. K-LO, There is alot of scoring when we play but thats the only way to keep them interested. It's like eleven man Arena Football. |
Scoring is what keeps young kids involved. Eventually they will grab on to the complexities of the game as they tire of scoring on every play and desire a more competitive challenge. My 4 year old plays with me and sometimes its my 11 against 24. Talk about a challenge! Try running on that. But the key is he is having fun and I can still test my skill following the basic rules to see if i can get through his stack, blitz, cover 2, zone, man on man defense. LOL
One thing I learned from the Texas Shootout rules that would help in FOB is that the defense controls the switch on any run play and if you don't switch it off on time it's just too darn bad. It worked extremely well and there were more then a few times that I unintentionally let the RB get an extra few yards because I didn't hit the switch. |
New Castle,
I hear ya man my 6 1/2 year old boy loves to play, but doesn't like it when his offense is stopped. I've made up rules that I tell him are the "kids rules". 1) When he is on offense he controls the board! 2) He can stop the board whenever he wants for adjustments, defense can adjust too. 3) FOB tackling 4) He gets to audible (angle) any and all eligable WR/RB, whereas the adults defense can only adjust 1 guy. 5) I hold the base of the TTQB for throws (kids get 2 tries) or they can attempt to use sticks 6) Kids get to do kick returns 7) Adults get none of these crutches, only KIDS 8) The games last 1-2 series and then its on to 2 new teams if he wants to keep going. I look at it as "arcade style" rules. In fact, I enoy it very much because it puts pressure on my D and my O still has to perform to whatever style I'm practicing against. I love it when he plays, and his little friends go crazy for the game when they come over. He can now set up his own plays, knows all the positions, uses strategy...its just so cool to see. Joe |
Father Son league
My son (9 yrs old) and I currently run the NDEFL - has gotten me back into EF and is great fun for us to do together.
Check our site: www.leaguelineup.com/ndefl He also plays with his friends when to come over - a league for them is next on our agenda. Maybe they will hire me on as commish :D |
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