Electric Football Think Tank Round 1
 

For a moment lets assume that every one on this forum is a member of a National Rules Committee with the express purpose of developing a universal set of rules by which any person purchasing an EF game could come to any gathering and be able to sit down and play.

Rule 1 for this think tank is that all ideas are accepted without discussion in this first round. No idea may be thrown out or belittled. Only positive input is allowed.

We will ONLY be discussing Equipment allowed at this point and specifications for that equipment. i.e. figures allowed and weights, bases, fields and fieldcovers, etc and so on

If we successfully get through this without killing each other verbally we can move on to other sections of the rulebook...if not I will drop the idea.

I still believe that we have the people here to make this thing work. I believe that a set of rules set up by a diverse segment of the EF population can lead to a greater gain for all of us.

If I could I would lock 9 elected EF reps from across the US in a room and not let them out till they had come out with a complete set of rules. That isn't going to happen cause they would just break out fields and play EF till all hours without writing a single rule. Ultimately, we only need 51% of the EF community to agree on the rules set to tip the balance and in time many will follow.

You on this forum are the leaders! You each have great ideas...I know...I have read many if not all of them. You also have many differences but so did the people that came together to formulate the modern accepted version of the bible. Now surely if they could put together such a great book we can come up with a nationally accepted set of rules that any newbie or expert could play by on their first meeting.

When you all go home you can still tweak the rules to whatever you want or throw them out completely but wouldn't it be great if I could go to the league in Japan or Canada or Florida or Detroit and in a few minutes begin a game based on equality of equipment and rules. There is nothing wrong with your house rules...and in the words of Tony The Tiger "They're Great!" but how bout it fellas....let's put on a show for the EF community and display how we can come together and do this.

So who wants to start....and remenber this could take months to discuss but IT CAN BE DONE!! If you don't see any value in the idea of a national set of rules then as my mother always said, "If you can't say anything nice then don't say nothing at all".

QUESTION 1 before the rules committee..(that's you)
What equipment is allowed and what adjustments to that equipment is allowed?

(Oh man, if this works I'm changing my name to Kissinger)

OK.. All figures allowed with a maximum allowed weight of 2.0 grams..
(figures may be custom, hollowed out, or any manufacturer as long as they meet weight restrictions..)

Any base that fits completely under the standard platform of (miggle/bb/ff.com figures) is allowed. Bases may weigh a maximum of 1.3 grams.

Even with these weight allowances, a figure/base combo of 3.4 is allowed, due to figures being possible 2.04 and a base 1.34, which would give a 3.4 total on a tenth gram scale. Hundredths scales are too prone to even air movement..

I like the idea of keeping it simple.. SO.
I'd make the miggle 620 scale board the standard.
As long as it was to scale, other boards would be allowed.

Steel, fiberboard, or a board with a field cover all allowed.

Home made TTQB's for passing or kicking would be allowed, as well as the miggle TTQB, OR a custom type kicker made from a miggle TTQB.. Anything someone is ingenious enough to come up with that would make their passing or kicking more accurate is good.. (Id have to buy one though)
Course.. none of this means I would require someone to use a TTQB or modified TTQB to pass.. but thats another thread.

Committee Thoughts (equipment Allowed)
 

COMMITTE COACHES,

My thoughts on equipment !

1) any electric football base allowed inc munro boat bases (boats, 2 per team, 1 on offense anywhere and 1 on defense anywhere and can rotate on any player during the game)


2) All ef figures, buzzball - ff.com figs- miggle- itz figs and any other i may have missed as long as their height requirements are status quo.

3) My biggest issue ! just my opinion

a) All lineman may weigh 4.2 to 4.0
b) linebackers and tight ends may weigh 3.7 (If you want extra running firepower to take on the linebackers, go to a 2 TE set)
3) everyone else may fluctuate at your choice/convenience, weight min 2.0 and weight max 3.2

*) during each game all players are weighed and marked in some sort of fashion to keep track of coaches addiing extra weight. Also, if a coach really is curious about a players weight during the game he may throw the red flag and have him weighed again right their on the spot. (all coaches should have as a mandatory requirement their own weight scales on their side of the field during every game!)

4) you can use whatever your want to add weight to a player as long as it is not visible (like a big nut or bolt stuck to the players rear end, it must be under the base. Also you can add extra weight via paint as long as the player looks neat.)

5) reveena al's place kickers with the springs (what's the big deal about the spring, kickers in the nfl have special shoes or put things in their shoe to kick a little better)

Last but not least boards, this is a hard one that really has to be hammered out. either the home team decides what board no questions asked (home field advantage) or we can go with a stationary standard. It would be nice if everyone bought the same field as a standard but what field would that be.
everyone cant afford all the same fields unless we start a finacial committee to help pay for these fields The ff.com 308 or bill porshe monster boards sounds nice, both very wide to open things up.

*** this is a good post to start things up, iron out 1 subject at a time and compile all thoughts to come to a vote/conclusion. It would be nice to have 1 subject per week starting sunday's. hopefully many would respond in that week. Life would be beautiful if everyone just responded with exactly what they would like to see without any debates and mentioning of their leauges and their style of play.

thank you for the post
broadway-dre

p.s Maybe we can all print this post as time goes on, keep it all together in a folder and have a sit down somewhere with papers/folders in hand. Maybe at the convention during the late night scrimmage hours (just a thought)

Great post
 

Any and all STOCK electric football players. NO CUSTOMS poses. Sorry guys. A weight requirement for the different positions. Linemen,linebackers, TE's and fullbacks can weigh more than receivers, RB's, DB's. Custom boards should be allowed. I believe Decal Master had an earlier post about the dimensions. I believe the board was 42' x 22'. DM correct me if I'm wrong. Any and all standard bases (no boiling because I don't know how to) with weight added for each position. Pass simulation sticks. No triple threat QB. However, I CAN learn to use one. And what I think is over looked alot an agreeable speed for the game board. But that would probably be in the rules section. Sorry WW.

equipment
 

All figures and bases except the large bases with Gotham and one piece tudor white and yellow guys.

Weight: 3.4 total base and figure...but weight cannot be added to a base, only a figure

Develop a "figure cube" that the figure on the base must fit in so players can't have arms too high above their head, or sticking out from their sides.

Miltron

This is what I'm talking about...positive waves!

Bases-any base or dial that is available to the general public. 1 boat base per squad on offense 1 per squad on defense. (represents that Chad Johnson, Jerry Rice type reciever or can't be stopped blitzer)
Clipping, tweaking is allowed. No boiling.
No added weights to any base except O and D linemen but I feel there should be an accepted uniform weighted product that anyone can purchase and it should be made to be snapped on or attached under the base. This way we could look at the underneath of the base and know that for example, .1 or .2 grams had been added without the use of the scale. (Get on that Kansas BIll and add it to your TAEFS offerings.)

All figures currently manufactured except the giant Gotham and yellow and white base attached figures. Take the height and weigth of the current biggest figure produced (FF, Buzz or Bigman...I don't know which figure it is) and make that the maximum allowable weigth FOREVER.

Figures can be any custom shape as long as they conform to their position on the field (i.e. a Center can't stand straight up with his arms extended straight over his head) and represents a realistic body postion.

Add ons such as hair, chinstraps and facemasks would be allowed. Don't stifle the creativity of the coaches. All add ons must represent realistic looks and feels. (Sorry Al-football players must look like football players..no hairy Sasquatch and no Sumos for that matter all though a sureal league as a sideshow could be played)

The final weight of any figure doesn't matter to me as long as the addons are not placed there just to gain weight (i.e. big plastic dreadlocks coming out of Urlachers helmet)

Until such time that a quality larger field can be produced at an economical price that the general public has access to we would go with the 620 as the standard. I would love to see a larger field but it must be priced in the $90-$100 range, run with quality and be available to the masses.

This Is What Im Talking About (hashing Out Idea's)
 

COACHES

let's please keep up the good work/post, everything for the first time sounds so positive. Like wolf said we must have custom fig's, too many creative guy's out here not to have it. The dimension cube for the players is an excellent idea to measure height and width.


The board situation is also a good idea, go with the 620 until we can figure out a standard. Im glad someone brought up board speed, this seems to be a problem at diff tourney's. We must agree on a standard speed to keep the players from popping all over the place !!!

This is what im talking about, if we can stay this course we are on to something. I feel we should just start this committee and coaches can join as we go. Everyone, please feel free to continue and hopefully we will have plenty responses by this weekend

thank you
broadway-dre

p.s. I MUST SAY, DIFFERENT WEIGHT ON DIFFERENT PLAYERS IS A IDEA THAT CAN BE FUN . WOLF, FF.COM figs max out to 4.0 (pretty nice)

Dre,

I have been convinced about custom figures. Too many creative people out there not to allow. Love the figure box thing. Good communication CAN solve problems and allow new ideas to be brought forth. The clip on weights BRILLIANT WW. The speed thing was my idea. Perhaps somehow we can measure the vibration of the board and set it at an elected speed. Lets keep this thing going.

My Input
 

1. BASES: Any and all current manufacturers' bases (shells and dials) are allowed (Miggle, Tudor, Buzzball, ITZ) to include a MAXIMUM of 2 Munro and/or Miggle's 1st Edition ProLine "Boat Bases" of which Offense is allowed 1 and Defense is allowed 1. ITZ dials may be used anywhere on Defense, but are limited to the OL and QB on Offense.

2. FIGURES: Any and all current manufacturers' figures intended for EF (NO HeroClix) are allowed (Miggle, Tudor, Buzzball, ff.com), to include customization of said figures as long as they adhere to height/width/weight limits.

3. WEIGHT LIMITS: The new MAXIMUM WEIGHT should be bumped up to 3.6g

• ALL figures can be brought up to or cut down to 2.3g*.
• Max TTC weight is 1.3g
• Max rookie weight is 1.0g

NOTE: *Miggle's and BB's heaviest fig is 2.0g and ff.com's is 2.6 - so I split the difference.:D To include EVERYONE, we must include EVERYONE!!!

4. TTQB/PE/PS/ATTAC EQUIPMENT:

• All methods of passing allowed. Limitations and specifics to be discussed later. For example, if the TTQB is used, then play is down at spot of completion (NO YAC!), unless deeper than deepest Defender. All other methods - play continues as rules allow.
• Modification of the TTQB is allowed as long as the MAXIMUM height of standard TTQB + 1 TTC base is not exceeded. A spring may be added to strengthen/enhance kicking leg.

5. FOOTBALLS: All manufactured footballs allowed to include EFDW's "Puff Dady." Why? I used to use the standard foam ball but people couldn't see the long passes and I would get jipped. The ONLY reason I switched to the PD is so that when I hit 'em you knew it! :D

6. GAMEBOARDS: I agree that until custom monster boards cost around the same as a new 620, that the STANDARD should be Miggle's/Tudor's Model 620 or ff.com's 308 or anyone else's like-sized 620 scale board. Speed should be set so that the AWAY team is satisfied he can run 70yds in :04 seconds (with all 22 players on the board) and so that no more than 2 players fall over on any given play, which would constitute a "play over" on the 1st occurence and than a "play over" and speed adjustment on subsequent occurences.

Can I change some of mine???
Cuz.. We've got some suggestions here already I like a lot better than what I came up with..

Change away...it's a think tank or thunk tank:D

Well... It was as much a positive comment on what guys are posting as anything else..

I really like the suggestions that are "more inclusive" than what I had originally posted...

Since we're talking about equipment only at this time, I'll stick to that.

1) Gameboard - It would be nice if everyone could afford a monster board, but many of us can't. Let's stick to the common 620 as pretty much everyone has one or can get one realitively cheap. Any field cover allowed that does not effect the play ie: if a coach has players that run straight on a normal board but go in tiny circles on a board with a cover, then that cover would not be allowed.

2) Kickers - allow them to have springs. You modify bases for better performance, why not the kicker???:mad:

3) Bases - Any base that would fit within the required size. Maximum size the same as Miggle proline bases ???:o Bases allowed to be painted as long as the figure + base combo is within weight limits

4) Figures - Any figure allowed so long as the figure + base combination is at or under the legal limit with the provision that the figure resembles a football player of some sort. No Bozos, 'Quatch, Sumos, Snowmen etc.

5) Weight - I don't care what the limit is. 3.2, 3.4, 4.0 .... I say if the figure + base is at or below the limit, it should be allowed. And I'll go further in that I think the figures and bases should be glued or taped together so that a coach can not seperate them during play. Any weight should be allowed to be added to the figure/base combo up to the maximum limit, as long as the weight is not unseemly ( like a nut or bolt sticking out ) BB's glued under the base allowed up to the max. limit. Many leagues allow coaches to add several layers of paint or clear coat to get the figures up to weight. I don't see any difference in adding .5g or paint, or adding .5g of BB. I also don't see why TTC bases are allowed to weigh more than rookie bases. If TTC is allowed 1.3g, then allow rookie bases to be weighted up to 1.3g as well. But, back to what I was saying, if a Miggle figure on a rookie base weighs 2.3g and a Buzzball figure on a TTC base weighs 3.2g and that's the limit, then the Miggle figure and base should be allowed to add .9g to weigh the same as the Buzzball combo does. If a person wants to use Reggies figures and they weigh 3.9g with a base, then you should be allowed to cut the player in half and hollow him out to get down to 3.2g. Weigh the entire figure and base, not seperately. Like I said before, if you require the two to be glued together, then a coach would not be able to switch bases around, thereby eliminating cheating.

If you're going to have seperate weights for positions, then you will need to specify how many of which weight can be on the field at one time. I play with a BB under the linemen. The defense is allowed only 5 players with BB's. The offense is allowed 5 linemen and 2 running backs. I allow that simply to try and keep the runners from jumping and turning when the board is first turned on. If the offense plays with 3 backs, then the third has to be without a BB. :cool:

just a note about passing
 

jimbo mentioned TTQB passing......


I would like to have you all think about this one

most of the time we play that there are no RAC (run after catch) but I think we should be able to do this, but without turning the WR.

Also, we can make it a skill for RAC - if you hit the figure above the platform, then you can continue with the play.

if you hit the platform or the base, then the WR is down at that point (sliding/diving for the pass)....

think tank on this one.........

:eek:

Revised: This belongs in "Rules" but...
 

...I can see where people believe ***Stop-Pop-N-Turn*** is unfair to the Defense because they cannot react to the pass, ***BUT so is strangle-holding the WRs at the LOS as do the COVER CORNER figures.*** Since we don't want to exclude anyone's figures, the compromise would be:

• The WR should be able to advance the ball but cannot be angled or adjusted; and
• The WR can be angled or adjusted only if he is beyond the deepest Defender.

WW,

1) 620 Game Board
2) Any commercially available base
3) No chemical alterations or boiling of the base
4) Any Commercially available figure designed for electric football
5) +Any custom figure
a) must use #4 (see above) as a base to start
b) must meet a size and shape guideline
c) must be position appropriate
6) Total weight ?

Think Tank
 

pull and play
 

As a new guy just starting out i have to agree with Mr. Burgess, i get totally confused with the weight thing as i have no clue as to what i can and can't use. keep it simple allow all available "buy and paint" figs and bases. no weight added/ removed as long as they conform to "football" not gi joes glued to bases lol. bases the same way. i am just learning to tweek bases, most still run in circles or not at all when i am done so weight added or boiling etc just adds to my dismay.
i dont know anything about passing other then point and fling with the tcqb but that i am willing to learn if needed.
i know your going to get some mismatches as some figs weigh more then others, but thats how it is in real life so you would have to adjust to play them, i dont think just bulking up all your guys is fair, i would hate to see all nfl guys 350lb fatties. i think a reciever like that would be silly. lol
i think recievers should be allowed to run after the catch, especially if i gotta try to "hit " them with that tcqb. no adjustments to reciever should be made, but i do think the defence should be allowed to turn 2 guys to try to make the tackle.
anyways, just my 2cents, ya'all can giggle and point at the new guy now.. lol :)

Great thread!
 

1.Bases:Any base manufactured for electric football.Limit 2 each on boats.
2.Figures:Any figure manfactured for EF.Weight limit 3.8.Custom figures allowed as long as they fit through the Figure "cube" and meet weight.Normal football pose.
3.Field: 620 for economic reasons as others have stated.
4.Kickers can be custom as long as the TTQB figure cube remained the same size as it is now.
5.All passing methods allowed details of each to be ironed out.



Geno H

Weight Is Very Much An Issue!
 

bluesman and Mr. Burgess: As much as I respect everyone's opinions and input, I must disagree with your views on weight.

We HAVE TO set a weight limit for the simple fact that some guys would always use the heaviest guys to naturally "outmuscle" the competition. There is NO WAY a coach with a WHOLE team of Buzzball/Haiti Repro figures could beat another coach - of equal coaching skills - with a WHOLE team of ff.com figures. Why would you want to try? That's Volkswagens vs. Bulldozers. That's insane! Can you imagine a newbie with Fab5s and/or Mag7s vs. a veteran with ff's and/or customs? :eek:

ff.com's figures average 2.4grams (max of 2.6g). Why would you think a Fab 5 Haiti Repro that weighs on average 1.7g would or could take on a figure that outweighs it by almost a gram? Hopefully this doesn't become a 'dead horse' and we can agree that bringing ALL your players up to 3.8 - with a simple bb or washer or nut under the base - is fair.

Or create 3 different weight limits by position i.e. OL/DL = 3.8g; FB/TE/LB = 3.5g; QB/RB/WR/DB = 3.2g.

Geno (right On The Money)
 

COACHES,

I must say say once again, the best post i've seen on any chatboard !
GENO, You hit it right on the money, everything you said is exactly what i would love to see.
K-BILL, You are right, i think we are on the right track to finally do business with each other.

Regarding the weight issue again, i dont foresee any confusion on what to do regarding weight. Once this entire committe plan is completed, their will be an extensive write up on weights (How much weight per fig, all items you can use to add weight, what each fig weighs right out of the box with and without a base, what a fig weighs with a ttc base and a rookie base before and after customizing, etc ) If their is any sort of confusion it will be written in black and white in your committee guide, their will be no hidden secrets. All you have to do is refer back to you guide that everyone else will adhere to.

This plan is being formulated for us for right now, if any coach want to join 2,3 or 10 years from now this is the plan in place. Ofcourse all rules and plans can and may be revised as time goes on, but right now we are laying the blueprint for these plans. This is the ef "DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE"
BROADWAY-DRE.

P.S (PLEASE SAVE WHAT THE RECEIVERS ARE ALLOWED TO DO FOR THE RULES SECTION OF THIS PLAN)

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!

JImbo (your speaking my language)
 

JImbo,

you have hit gold on the three diff weight limits (3.8, 3.5, 3.2). That is perfect perfect perfect perfect, it cant get any sweeter than that !


broadway-dre

Happy Aboutthe Boat Base Scenario
 

COACHES,

Im happy to see agreement on 2 boat bases per team (1 off 1 def). I think this is extremley fair and that one base, can add a little excitement to a game.(maybe a bruising blocking fullback for a for a cut back runner, or a middle linebacker blasting through a hole in the middle , skies the limit).

If coaches cant find any boat bases we can start a campaign to locate them. Remember, all you need is two (2) not 22 ! It may be wise to get the boat base with the dial so you can change them until you find one you like.
Maybe you may want to stick a ITZ dial under their. Speaking on the "ITZ" dials. I spoke to mark klingbeil on the phone and he has 15,000 of them he is willing to sell, so maybe if you coaches are going to join us in this campaign you may want to call him and get yourself a couple of spru's (12 dials on 1 spru).

thank you

broadway-dre

Think
 

topic is equipment
 

hey anth,

We just want all coaches to post what they would like to see regarding the usage of equipment

1)bases
2)fields
3)passing equipment
4)etc etc

You know you are very respected for what you have accomplished in the ef community that's why we would like your input on equipment and its usage.
we are trying to formulate this plan for all current coaches who are playing right now, this is really not being written for a newbie. If a newbie want to join this committee, he will get a copy of this plan to adhere to like everyone else. It can be a coach playing 20 years to somebody playing 6 months.

In every organization some group had to development rules/plans/strategy to run a successful business. It's like a newbie coming on to a new job, he has to abide by the company's rules once they are hired.(ie: lunch 1hr, vacation 2wks per yr, sick days etc etc).every coach playing right this second is regarded as the company, that's why this is an online meeting with all members present, this chat. With your knowledge as a former player and referee we definitely want your input on every section of this plan.


The reason why coaches are posting what they like to see is to compile a list, sort it out, and come to a final vote/conclusion so we are all on the same page from the very beginning. This thread seems to be going very well and we are asking to keep it debate free.

I expect to see at least 30 post from you once the rules/gameplay section hits the post. We need you hear full force !!!!!!!!!!

p.s everyone remember, this is something new, all of your ways of doings things are still in place for you and well respected !!!!

BROADWAY-DRE

Strategy Divider
 

COACHES,

Sorry but i forgot to mention the strategy divider, if it's ok with jimbo and don smith this would add another level of suspence/excitment/strategy. I think it's a nice nuance not being able to see how your opponent is setting up. Also, you can run some very interesting plays with strategy.

jimbo, if this is ok with you please lets us know, but if you want to keep it exculsively for establishment in tidewater we certainly understand !


broadway-dre

topic is equipment
 

hey anth,

We just want all coaches to post what they would like to see regarding the usage of equipment

1)bases
2)fields
3)passing equipment
4)etc etc

You know you are very respected for what you have accomplished in the ef community that's why we would like your input on equipment and its usage.
we are trying to formulate this plan for all current coaches who are playing right now, this is really not being written for a newbie. If a newbie want to join this committee, he will get a copy of this plan to adhere to like it everyone else. It can be a coach playing 20 years to somebody playing 6 months.

In every organization some group had to development rules/plans/strategy to run a successful business. It's like a newbie coming on to a new job, he has to abide by the company's rules once they are hired.(ie: lunch 1hr, vacation 2wks per yr, sick days etc etc).every coach playing right this second is regarded as the company, that's why this is an online meeting with all members present, this chat. With your knowledge as a former player and referee we definitely want your input on every section of this plan.


The reason why coaches are posting what they like to see is to compile a list, sort it out, and come to a final vote/conclusion so we are all on the same page from the very beginning. This thread seems to be going very well and we are asking to keep it debate free.

I expect to see at least 30 post from you once the rules/gameplay section hits the post. We need you hear full force !!!!!!!!!!

p.s everyone remember, this is something new, all of your ways of doings things are still in place for you and well respected !!!!

BROADWAY-DRE

Divider
 

Actually, the Strategy Divider (MWEFL), Scrimmage Screen (TBA), Line-of-Scrimmage Separator (AKRON) are (A) all one and the same thing and (B) is considered "original" equipment for advanced play according to the old Tudor Rulebook!!! Ask Ray F. if ya don't believe me. :)

I'd be happy to use it on a National level!!!

If anyone wants one, check out my post on the Buy and Sell page.

Please bear with me a little, I am a returning to the great game of EF after many years of retirement (from the game at least). I played as a child and until receintly thought that the game had been lost to antiquity and may have fallen prey to the computer. I am glad to see that players like you have been keeping it alive. It is now time to initiate my 11 year old son to this exciting and fun gaming experience (this already has begun and he is hooked).

Now, my ideas on writing rules. I believe in preserving the purity of the original as much as possible (keeping it as close to the original gane for future generations). I know nothing (yet) about customizing bases, players or "boats", but i learn fast and would like to know more (any teachers out there?).

The rules should be kept simple with clear cut examples such as "a player is deemed out-of-bounds when any portion of the base touches or in on the white sideline"

The first and foremost rule should be "this is a gentleman's game" (regardless of the intensity of any one's own competitiveness) and must be played as such. As with all games, those players who feel that they are always right and who fight tooth and nail to always prevail when contested spoil the enjoyment of the game and become those type of coaches no-one desires to play with. I am the owner and coach of my team. Those gridiron poly players are the team (and many times seem to have a mind of thier own). Sure, as thier coach and mentor, I want them to go un-defeated and bring glory to thier name. I want them to run (vibrate) faster, catch every pass, make every block, put the ball through the up-rights and play flawlessly... but I must remember, we are but mere mortals and prone to make mistakes. Therefore, as the coach, I must see the field, and the actions that take place there, as they really are and not as I would hope they would be.

So, after that rambling, when it is coach vs. coach (with no 3rd party ref) and there is a call on the field that is being contested...should you allow a red flag (say 2 per game per coach) which automatically reverses the call? Of course, this could only be used when there is disputeable evidence that the call was correct/incorrect. Outside of the 2 red flags, all calls must be agreed upon (in a friendly manner, with friendly discorse) by both coaches.

Thanks for being here...SEE IT BIG & KEEP IT SIMPLE.
hicy.

rules of the game
 

Please bear with me a little, I am a returning to the great game of EF after many years of retirement (from the game at least). I played as a child and until receintly thought that the game had been lost to antiquity and may have fallen prey to the computer. I am glad to see that players like you have been keeping it alive. It is now time to initiate my 11 year old son to this exciting and fun gaming experience (this already has begun and he is hooked).

Now, my ideas on writing rules. I believe in preserving the purity of the original as much as possible (keeping it as close to the original gane for future generations). I know nothing (yet) about customizing bases, players or "boats", but i learn fast and would like to know more (any teachers out there?).

The rules should be kept simple with clear cut examples such as "a player is deemed out-of-bounds when any portion of the base touches or in on the white sideline"

The first and foremost rule should be "this is a gentleman's game" (regardless of the intensity of any one's own competitiveness) and must be played as such. As with all games, those players who feel that they are always right and who fight tooth and nail to always prevail when contested spoil the enjoyment of the game and become those type of coaches no-one desires to play with. I am the owner and coach of my team. Those gridiron poly players are the team (and many times seem to have a mind of thier own). Sure, as thier coach and mentor, I want them to go un-defeated and bring glory to thier name. I want them to run (vibrate) faster, catch every pass, make every block, put the ball through the up-rights and play flawlessly... but I must remember, we are but mere mortals and prone to make mistakes. Therefore, as the coach, I must see the field, and the actions that take place there, as they really are and not as I would hope they would be.

So, after that rambling, when it is coach vs. coach (with no 3rd party ref) and there is a call on the field that is being contested...should you allow a red flag (say 2 per game per coach) which automatically reverses the call? Of course, this could only be used when there is disputeable evidence that the call was correct/incorrect. Outside of the 2 red flags, all calls must be agreed upon (in a friendly manner, with friendly discorse) by both coaches.

Thanks for being here...SEE IT BIG & KEEP IT SIMPLE.
hicy.

rules continued
 

Anthony D. B. has the right heart about all of this....Preserve the game and see it through a child's eyes (we of the original era, or close to it) will be pushing daisys someday and there will be those who will come after us, and hopefully after them. Make the "official" standard rules simple and easy for all (regardless of age, income, or customization ability) to compete equally. What comews out of the box is what comes out of the box.

For those who have been customizing for years and are used to thier "pumped-up" players may find it challenging to play against my 11 year old with standard equipment right out of the box (he may just have fun also).

There is plenty of latitude for customizing, boiling (whatever that is), extra weights, roller skates if you so desire, etc. in the friendly "backyard" game between coaches. But if the game is to count towards a compitition or league...then it should be "as in the box"...after all, is'nt preserving the game what the league is all about in the first place?

Just my thoughts...but then, who am I?
hicy:cool:

I agree with hicy. I know when I got back into the hobby it was very difficult to keep up with some of the things going on. Weighted players. boiling, customizing ect. If we are going to try to be embassadors of the game and to recruit new players, we must keep it simple and very affordable. So, as this post continues it makes more sense to keep things not so much out of bag but very simple. Must have a weight limit and allow customs but the figure must stay within a player box. I belieeve the box should be the dimensions of a base. No one part of the figure should extend past the perimiter of the base. Hey Wolf, are you going to start a list soon for the equipment or how is this going to work.

I don't think this question was adressed either. What color jersey for offense and what color for defense? I vote for white jersey offense and dark color defense.

Good Points
 

I truly feel the best way for any new member of our hobby to learn all the "How to's" is to join their local league. Other than that, then they would have to do what we ALL did 10-12 years ago............READ!!!! :eek:

These "suggestions" are for those we "assume" know a lil bit about REAL football and address "how to" simulate different REAL life aspects down to the miniature. We're not trying to teach people how to play football - they should already know. Or maybe I'm wrong in "assuming!" ;) We can talk about that on a different post. :D

With that said, there are "standard" figures that extend over the base, so the "WxLxH box" would have to be a lil bigger than a base. Unless we're gonna modify and customize every figure so that it doesn't extend over the platform. That would change most of the passing rules. If we don't want to do that, then the limits would have to be based what's already out there:

• MAX WIDTH = Fab5 DB
• MAX LENGTH = BB CVR / OL
• MAX HEIGHT = ff.com "Blitzer"

Jersey colors should stay "standard" and that right now is:

• Offense = Dark
• Defense = White

Jimbo,

I forgot about those figures. i agree with all of them. I didn't know the standrad was offense-dark jersey, defense- white jersey. I have eight teams and there all white jerssey offense, dark jersey-defense. Oh well. usy

STAY ON TOPIC
We have already drifted a couple of times. Please reread the first post if you have forgotten what this post is about.
We are only discussing what equipment should be allowed and the limits for that equipment.
This post is NOT about agreeing or disagreeing.
ONLY what YOU want to see for equipment.

Agreeing and disagreeing comes in another post once this info is compiled.

EQUIPMENT CHOICES ONLY...STAY THE COURSE!!!!

THIS WILL TAKE TIME....don't get in a hurry. I expect this series of discussions to last for the better part of this next year. Lets shoot for the middle of January to end this post and then move to the next area.

THANKS TO EVERYONE....this is going well and can continue so if everyone sticks to the rules of debate.

That makes "phonetic" sense
 

That's how I started out. Ya figure "D" is for (D)efense and (D)ark, so naturally Offense would be the (O)pposite. Oh well. :( I have 1 team "the old way" and since then I do all my teams with the new "split squad" scheme. I guess ya wanna show your colors on Offense, so they're Dark and my Defense is bland, so White is appropriate. :D

WW: How 'bout...
 

...you start the next topic(s) now 'cause Rules affect Equipment and vice versa. :D

IMHO, if we examine all of the Tourneys out there, there are numerous likenesses. The differences are few i.e. The BRAWL allowed ALL figures; we used the Strategy Divider; ABC tackles and allowed either TTQB passing or "The Sticks." The HFL uses the ATTAC passing system and doesn't allow customs; The TSO's weight limit was 4.0 grams; Miggle uses Miggle stuff ONLY! That's NOT a lot to overcome or to blend together. Gameplay is basically the same.

All there is to figure out is:

• Figures
• Weight limit
• Tackles
• Passing
• Kicking
• Timing

Now we should be able to just play ball. Game play is easy - it's Football!

Or you can nominate 9 people that are going to Jacksonville and we can duke it out there. I'll be there, LMK.

K.i.s.s.
 

Keep it simple stupid is the saying for this post why? Not for the post of anyone here but for the play that can be formed here on this forum.
Equipment
Figures: Linemen O & D 4.0 or less
All others under 3.5. Giving Reg's figures a role without drilling.
Bases: Any that have been made, because it's not the make of the model it's whom drives it. Tweak and succeed.
Field: Any as long as you have a good runnig board. No junk.
Footballs: All that are produced with limits on the size. No lima beans
If there is something else to be covered I guess it would be the rules, but that's up to each league. Lastly conduct....JUST PLAY AND HAVE FUN!!!