Stupid OL
 

Why did it take AB to figure out that our OL were mindless numbskulls? How many times have you watched your OL run downfield and not hit a soul? How many times have you cut the board off on a pass play because you saw a guy WIDE-OPEN and it was your friggin' Center??? Why do we do this?

If Simeon Rice lines-up outside of Orlando Pace on an obvious pass play, is Pace just gonna run forward? Or is he gonna step back and pick Rice off? What if Rice lines up head to head and then shifts outside? How do we account for this in MF? Or, better yet, WHY DON'T WE?

I love using the "snap" that AB's MPFL System proposes. It allows me to drop back my OTs to pickup the loopers and/or to doubleteam a strong DT and not to just send him/them on "blind" routes. Don't get me wrong, I can play either/any way. I just like the distinct difference of style this extra step presents.

That's my $.02 for the day.

I think roast beef sandwiches are the bomb.

That's my $.02 for the day.

Ed

$.02 ??? Man, I envey you guys. I wish I had $.02 I'm so broke right now all I have in my wallet is a bunch of cobwebs. There used to be a family of spiders living there, but they quit paying rent a few months ago and I finally had to evict them. At least I still have the fly that they left for a deposit. :rolleyes:

we kindof address this
 

Jimbo,

we kindof address this with allowing uncovered OL to be povited during that part of the play. You cannot pick him up nor turn the wheel, but you can at least get a slight angle.

also, we added 'motion' to the mix and man does that disrupt the defense when you do....

Jimbo,

What are you doing man? You know it's a felony to praise this system in public. What are you some sort of long haired revolutionary?

I have another question: How in the heck are you going to PLAY football on an EF table without stoppages. I'd say that you can WATCH your plays unfold without the adjustments, but you are not free to add intelligence to your figures.

How many times in MPF have I had plays that looked strung out only to break loose and get a ton of yards.

You hit it on the head with your last comment. Ask yourself this:

How are you going to execute a sweep (as it is), a trap block, or a true zone block if the linemen cannot be adjusted?

I broke a 68 yarder on Burgess with Tiki Bear but it was a cut back run. And I picked up a block late in the play. Without the adjustments, we'd just scrum (rugby style) and watch the men scoot around on the gameboard; i've seen guys sitting and starring at the board for over a minute while the players run down into the endzone, out of bounds.

Without adjustments they are just Frankensteins. We want to build TERMINATORS.!!

We want to make the game better with these changes and nothing more. But the opposition in getting the word out to the community has been fierce. People normally don't like to committ to change unless undesputed evidence to the point is produced.

Like Jimmy Hendrix used to say "are you experienced? Well I am"

Jimbo,

You just hit on one of the points that has me so interested in the MPFL system.

Wally

All I Needed...
 

...was to SEE AB's MPFL live and in person to SEE what he and I had been bumping heads about for almost a year online. Once I SAW what I had been envisioning here in my alternate world, I asked ONE question and that was that.

I begged AB to hold off on his soap-boxing last year and let me get a grasp of his system so that I could help him out. But, as things turned out, and after MUCH dissension, I finally met AB in Virginia, watched ONE play, asked ONE question and the fog of a year's worth of AB-bashing lifted like a fog.

I'm about the only other guy with as much REAL football experience as AB - Pop Warner to HS to Army to Semi-Pro to playing and coaching to just coaching to EF and now to MF. I knew these guys could be made to do real things, but it has been perceived as a kid's toy for 50 years and now to change the stigma into REAL Football Simulation was quite the hump.

Some guys only have ONE play that they have perfected over their 10+ years of playing!?!?! And to tell them that that's NOT real football is like telling the world Jesus had a child. It's almost blashemous, but The DaVinci Code has made the WORLD go...hmmmm??? Hasn't it?

Much to my detriment sometimes, I have ALWAYS spoke my mind. Now is no exception.

Jimbo,

Amen! We have to talk... I love the system AB put together. Playing this system actually got my sons interested in playing the game again. Like you I played Pop Warner to Semi Pro. I didn't play in college as played on the basketbal team instead. Still regret that move.

Talk to you soon.

Wally

Bump
 

O-Line pre play adjustments?
 

Do any leagues allow automatic adjustments for uncovered O-lineman. Funny thing was, as a teen we always allowed the O-line to make a last pre-play adjustment but I haven't seen any rules out there that allow this.

Jimbo, why you got your lineman running straight down the field on a passing play? :D Reg opened my eyes to multiple linemen bases for different functions (zone blocking with ITZ dials and pure pass blocking on prongless bases), now I just gotta practice with these blocking schemes. No doubt though without the multi-stop you almost have to make a decision to push straight ahead which may best best for power running plays or to utilize lineman bases that stay within 5-10 yards of the line cause you don't want your O-line covering your TE down field!

If anyone has any good pass blocking techniques for traditional one stop rules this is a good thread to speak up!
Joe

OK, AB is to be commended for his desire to expose everyone to another style of play, he has done a good job on the DVD from what I have seen, however, this is just multi-stop MF. How many guys have played or experimented with this exact style for years, it is not new, it is not rocket science and to be honest I am sick and tired of reading which one of you guys think you have the most technical football knowledge. It has been well established on this board lately who "thinks" they know more than everybody else about football, not MF, but the real deal. I am tired of hearing Pop Warner this, high school that, college this, Semi-pro that. Quit acting like you know more about football than everyone else, that way of thinking and braggadocio plus the constant tearing apart at the more traditional styles of play is why people have and still have trouble "praising" AB's system.

I do not see where this is the "be all end all" style of MF play. If I want to play chess I will play chess, if I want a real football sim I'll go to my Xbox 360 and put in Madden 08. I like the DFW style, I like the strategy divider style, I like the old school one stop pitch and pass and I welcome this style, but please keep the condescending elitist I know more about X's and O's than you way of thinking to a minimum. AB has managed to turn my thoughts of him and his system around into something I can appreciate (not embrace, but appreciate, mostly for his desire to evolve), but you are taking him back into the other direction lately in my opinion.

That's my $.02 worth and roast beef sandwiches are fantastic!

Shabby J

I Appreciate...
 

...your comments Shabby J, but the only reason I listed my credentials was to affirm the fact that this system is almost as real as REAL football as advertised. The only exception being the 1:30 it takes to RUN a friggin' Blast or Dive!!! ;) My response was really not directed toward anyone but AB and Bill. Kind of a boost of moral support for two of my Brothers-At-Arms. I could have done a PM, but I didn't. :p

Without the accreditation, I could just be a regular Joe (not Michigan Joe who also is a creditable source of football knowledge!) with "zero" football knowledge, but plenty of "electric football" knowledge. My intent was not to insult anyone's knowledge or their level of experience whether REAL or MF. :rolleyes:

Hope to catch you on the wiggly-wood one day. :D

Jimbo

Shabby J,

I'm sorry if I offended you by mentioning my past football experience. It was not intended dis anyone. My reply was to Jimbo and I thought it was great that we had something in common.

With your comments on others coming up with multi stop. Did they ever share that with the MF community? I've been on the boards since 96 and I can only remember AB talking at length about it.

Wally

Pefectly Understood Jimbo
 

I guess at times I need to read these posts with a grain of salt if you will. I forget that in reading text on a forum board we are missing the emotion and subtle nuances that usually accompany a conversation and can come away with a different understanding of what may have actually been intended.

All is well!


Shabby J

That's How I felt
 

No offense taken Wally, all is good. I take nothing away from Anthony, he is a good man and we should be thankful to people who give us yet another option or style of MF play to explore. What I meant was a way to help cool certain people's attitude that his way is the only way and people are assuming that if we truly had any football knowledge we would only play his way. I also think that with all the people playing MF over the last 40 years or so that multistop has been done, I guarantee it. It's just that Anthony is the one who focused on it, brought it to DVD and created a rule set to accompany it.

That's all for me on this. I am square with AB, we have communicated.

Shabby J

FYI, The Name Is ????
 

IF
 

...you weren't swoller than me, I'd put you in a headlock and noogie you til your hair fell out! Oh wait, you got a tight-fade! Never mind. :rolleyes:

Man !!!!!!!!!!!
 

Shabby,

Excellent! I'm glad you spoke with Anthony... he's a good man.

Wally