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Shabby J 12-07-2007 01:51 AM

Passing Rules
 
OK, Anthony Burgess and his new system requires passing with the TTQB be done from the coaches sideline. This is tough, I mean I am not great with the TTQB, but I have always played that when you are passing you can move around the board, from side to side and also directly behind the end zone to get a pass off.

How do most of you play, do you limit movement or do you allow behind the end zone passing?

Nothing against Anthony, by no means, it's just that when I read that rule and tried it, it was pretty difficult to do.

Shabby J

sntht$

5-13 Studios 12-07-2007 02:11 AM

we allow all access around the board to complete a pass.

Anthony D Burgess 12-07-2007 12:54 PM

I Know!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shabby J (Post 19912)
OK, Anthony Burgess and his new system requires passing with the TTQB be done from the coaches sideline. This is tough, I mean I am not great with the TTQB, but I have always played that when you are passing you can move around the board, from side to side and also directly behind the end zone to get a pass off.

How do most of you play, do you limit movement or do you allow behind the end zone passing?

Nothing against Anthony, by no means, it's just that when I read that rule and tried it, it was pretty difficult to do.

Shabby J

sntht$

I know it is tough to do that, but so is throwing a pass from the pocket as QB's offten do. ftbll$

Try not yo focus on what you like and do what is best for the play at hand. Know you're limits, know you're players ability, think football. ftbll$

If you have a receiver open near you're sideline, the DB is on the inside of the receiver and is side dy side not touching, what is the best pass for this condition ? TTQB ? No you don't have the proper angle and the DB has position, however there is the out route open or fly route, lead the receiver. Pass Placement is best !

If you.re 2nd and goal from the 6 yard line, the defense has the right coverage called, but you think you can get the pass to you're receiver that is accross from you near the coner of the end zone, what is best for this condition, Pass Placement? No, the coverages is to tight, but you have a small window that you can use, use the TTQB to throw a bullet into tight coverage.

It is hard to do if you use the wrong type of pass for the passing conditions.

Geno H 12-07-2007 02:33 PM

Why would the QB stand on the sideline to PASS?:confused: We allow the QB to move at any angle to throw the ball just like in NFL.



Geno H

Tron1984 12-07-2007 02:47 PM

Please allow me....
 
Fellas,
This is a hard rule to follow. It is limiting,but you have the use of pass placement sticks that you can manipulate 360 degrees around the receiver. He can slat, go long, short or come back! The clencher is, how fast are your receivers? Where is the defense? Should the QB keep it or dump it off? Make the right choice because the clock is ticking! The days of drinking a coke, 5minutes to set your TTQB, all other Shananagans are over! The more you practice at this style of play and don't deviate or alter the rules you began to see how everything comes together. WOW, I sat out this season ,but I absorbed a lot. Good Luck To All!rfr$

Geno H 12-07-2007 02:57 PM

TronTron,
I can set up & pass in 10 seconds! No Problem!



Gen oH

Tron1984 12-07-2007 03:09 PM

Geno...
 
Geno,
Good Job! Good Job!rfr$

Shabby J 12-07-2007 03:34 PM

Got it Now!
 
Thanks Anthony and Tron,

I am forgetting the option of a TTQB bullet pass or the sticks for pass placement, your have more options this way and it is more realistic for the defense as well.

Got it now!

Thanks for clearing that up, I foget the options your system presents.


Shabby J

Shabby J 12-07-2007 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geno H (Post 19946)
Why would the QB stand on the sideline to PASS?:confused: We allow the QB to move at any angle to throw the ball just like in NFL.



Geno H

No Geno, it is you as a coach who has to stay on your sideline while you manipulate the TTQB to throw the pass. No more walking behind your endzone or to the other coaches sideline to make a TTQB pass.


Shabby J

5-13 Studios 12-07-2007 03:49 PM

but, when one uses the ttqb, don't they stop being "coach" for a moment and become the qb's eyes? i think that is what he is referring to.

Geno H 12-07-2007 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5-13 Studios (Post 19955)
but, when one uses the ttqb, don't they stop being "coach" for a moment and become the qb's eyes? i think that is what he is referring to.

5-13,
You nailed it bro!


Geno H

Geno H 12-07-2007 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tron1984 (Post 19949)
Geno,
Good Job! Good Job!rfr$

Tron,

I knew you would be proud of me!thmbsp$ thmbsp$ :D :D :D flg$

Geno H

Shabby J 12-07-2007 08:16 PM

Ah, now I see
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geno H (Post 19959)
5-13,
You nailed it bro!


Geno H

I understand and agree, you do become the QB for that brief period and need to view eligible receivers from all angles.

But they seemed to have worked it in their system, a combination of TTQB and pass placement, which I go on the record as saying I have never tried.

When my 308 arrives, hopefully next week I may explore their system more.

Shabby J

Anthony D Burgess 12-07-2007 10:47 PM

Hold On
 
Befor this becomes a TTQB vs Pass Placement you must not focus on that but rather the type of pass a QB throw Bullet or Lead .

Not the use of a tool. No need to justify the use of one vs the other, but to understand that a QB throws two types of passes, not one.

5-13 Studios 12-07-2007 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony D Burgess (Post 20022)
Befor this becomes a TTQB vs Pass Placement you must not focus on that but rather the type of pass a QB throw Bullet or Lead .

Not the use of a tool. No need to justify the use of one vs the other, but to understand that a QB throws two types of passes, not one.

i totally understand, my only question is with the ttqb and the ability to aim. it's not 1 vs. the other.

Anthony D Burgess 12-08-2007 09:13 AM

Cool
 
In the culture of MPFL we understand that the QB has his vision, and at the same time the defenders have there position ie in the passing lanes.

Both are intact and are a part of the games pressure. We find that being allowed to move around the board to throw a pass hurts the defense who had good position until the user changed it. This touches on the QB not being in the right position at times to throw a pass due to the pass rush.

Think of it like the game red light green light. You're players need to get it done durring the time they have, this is the playable balance.

When aiming the pass with either the TTQB or Pass Placement both are done from the same position thus not giving and advantage for useing one over the other lending it's self to a balance game play. ftbll$

We want the focus to be on actual football data and not the use of a tool. This is how this works in the MPFL Culture.

I do understand the culture of EF/MF as it it is based on stopping the board when ther user finds the right conditions to throw a pass. Then is allowed to move around the boad to gain the right angle to throw. :o

SteelerFan1967 12-08-2007 11:50 AM

Coach/player positioning...
 
As a "retired" qb, I would suggest that ideal position for throwing a pass would normally be from behind the LOS...meaning the end zone which you are traveling away from.

If the board size is condusive to this, or the coach is close enough to his own endzone so that he can make the attempt without crushing the board, then I would think that would be the preferred way to do it. I think that more closely matches the reality of throwing in a real football game.

So I guess I am thinking that maybe the coaches side or the end zone he is moving away from (protecting) should be valid options?

Just my 2 cents...

Interesting discussion....


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