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Why Dont Coaches Throw The Ball With
There hands anymore. Way back when when we had a league here in ny, everycoach took the football and tried to hit a receiver with there bare hands. I thought that was the most fun we had. It gave you a sense that you were the qb and not the ttqb. If we did not have a football, we would ball up tiny peices of paper to throw to the receiver. The completion percentage was pretty good. Why is that option never discussed. Now that im sitting here thinking about the good old days, it was extremely fun.
If your on a board this weekend, have a receiver run down field a cut the board off after 20 to 30 to 40 yards, then try to hit the wr with a football throwing with your hand (make sure your does not cross the line of scrimmage. Im for all ways of throwing the football. Some like the ttqb and some dont, some like pass sim and some dont. Would'nt it be ideal to pass with the method that is most comfortable to the coach. If a coach used the ttqb on 1st down fine, if he used pass sim on 2cnd down fine, if he wanted to throw using his own hand on 3rd down fine. You never know what people might like or what a coach is feeling on a paticular play. should'nt it be in his arsenol to pick which method is best for that play to work. It's not a matter of whether or not a coach can pass with the ttqb or not, with pratice anyone can learn. If he had several options, would'nt that make him more complete . Im curious, what would we be doing if miggle never had a ttqb ? What are you comfiortable with in regards to the passing game ? *** I did not say what do you like best, what are you more comfortable with ? |
As kids we used to throw the ball with our own hands.
When we were finally was able to use the triple threat qb effectively , we switched to the triple threat qb for good. |
Long long ago when I was a kid we shot the football thru a straw like a spit wad. Worked pretty good as I remember.hlmt$
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That is TOO funny. We tried the spitball way too.
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Spitball must of been the universal next step in the evolution of passing as youngsters. We tried it too.
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My Opinion
With most if not all the current coaches who are playing this game played it as children. There was lack of instructions and procedures so as children we came up with a way that seemed right to us as children.
It was clear that passing with the TTQB was not fun and difficult, this gave birth to new ideas to make it more playable. Now as adults most of us are holding on to the memory of how it was, justifying why we do what we do, while others are thinking of the future of this hobby. There have been many ideas on how to improve the passing game and to make it more playable. This hints at the fact that a more appealing and playable method of passing was need. As we look back on some of the funny ways we did pass, think of how funny it looks to those out side of this hobby as we continue to do what we did when we were children, now as grown men ? The future of this hobby rest with what we do now, do we contimue to give fuel to the publics view of this hobby as we do what we like, or do we do what is best for the hobby in an effort to gain respect and notoriety? The game should be playable not just for us, but to the handicap, to those who want to learn how to play, women, and who ever wants to play the game we all have come to love. The wants or likes of the few should not out weigh what is best for the many, the many that are key to the survival, and respect of this hobby. |
Actually thats how i play with my friends and in my solitare league. The rule is you must throw from behind the quarterback and you get 2 chances to hit the player. I started using this method after only being able to complete 1 pass with the TTQB in a single month.
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Passing
Sure, all of us that played as kids tried to throw the ball with the TTQB, then we threw the TTQB! We reverted to some sort of manual passing with our own hands, the spit wad method, etc...
It's great to kick it old school once in a while for fun and try that stuff again. but to play a game where you have the option, to use TTQB, passing sim, pass placement, manual throwing or spit wad passing is not for me. I could not imagine playing like that, I like a set of rules that say, all TTQB passing or pass placement/pass sim or Anthony's style, which is probably the best compromise TTQB and sticks. What would we all be doing if Miggle never had a TTQB? Probably arguing over which straw makes the best spitwad pass! I can see Reg manufacturing ff.com passing straws and idiots like us buying them all day long. We would have great straw tweakers offering their services. You would end up with a pack of straws all tweaked in length and diameter for different passes. That's too funny, the spit wad, man I forgot all about that stuff! Shabby J |
Skills, tools and FUN!
Just getting ready to head out to the Bronx for another nyefl play day.
A few guys in this league use the old metal Tudor QB and are deadly accurate with this guy. I have obtained one and am experimenting with it. I recently commented in another thread on how I put to use some of the suggestions found on this site to improve TTQB play and how much my passing improved. Haven't tried passing sticks yet - but will. Hey - as long as you are playing and enjoying the game - that is great! |
we use to throw with your hands too, until Mom took away the aspirin bottle.
No more cottonrtfl$ |
Well...I think the TTQB is the one item in electric football that is in desperate need of revamping. Someone must have some ideas to make a better QB for the game??? In our league, we have the QB on a pedestal (magnetic bottom) that aids you in getting elevation for throwing....but many purists would not accept it...I am sure...but it sure is easier to grasp the QB and make your throws. What if we used some sort of a spring in a tube (like a toy cannon) for the arm? You could elevate/depress the arm to get an angle on the pass.....maybe even have a way to adjust spring tension. The ball might actually be shaped like the real thing and made of some Nerf like material. I have improved a lot with the TTQB, but it is still kind of a clunky part of the game....so I would love to see some improvements! We have some creative geniuses amongst us here....so someone is probably capable of improving the TTQB.
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Throwing with your hands
Im for all ways of throwing the football with your hand, i am doing that with a semi-league I am trying to start with my 12 year old son and his friend, my age group has their face in there you know what, I am throwing the ball for years in NY with my hands, It works great for 11 years I was playing up there. I had a league with 25 people, I ran the show for 11 years, now I moved to boring Florida.
Great EF Thanks Sean DJ Mello out here in Orlando Florida (Boring state of the world) |
The TTQB has issues. Everything does. Nothing is perfect. But it and the TTC have stood the test of time much like the Tackle figure and the Wide Arm guy. TTQB passing is a particular skill set. And even as badly as I tend to pass these days, it ain't rocket science to hit a target with it now and then. If it is giving you fits try Geno's TDQ. Maybe it will help. Maybe it won't. But it is an available option to the TTQB.
Hand passing is UNDER rated. It always has been and always will be. Why would I say that? Because I have heard all the cliches for years. ...... When you pick up a TTQB you become the QB... a transformation from coach to player. A worthy analogy. I have also heard (and engaged in) talk of coaches crutching on their equipment. To some degree or more we ALL do. Being completely TTQB reliant is a form of crutching. Not a bad thing. But an argument can easily be made that if it is YOUR skill used to complete passes as the "QB/Player" on the field then use YOUR own hand to throw the pill. As for my preference..... Well, lemme see..... How can I put this? ........ IF we are throwing with the board running then I could care less whatcha use to toss the rock. I.E., it would matter a lot less. ;) You had to know that was coming. ppcrn -Mike Pratt |
THROWING WITH THE HAND IS MORE EXCITING.
Pratt great post,
I think throwing the ball and hitting that little figure figure with your own hand makes you more of a qb than using a ttqb. Why, because its you. It's more exciting to see and more exciting for you. Why this is outlawed is beyond me. IN A GAME SITUATION, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF YOU USE A TTQB OR YOUR OWN HAND AS LONG AS YOUR BEHIND THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. aS LONG AS YOU CAN GET A PASS OFF THAT IS COMFORTABLE FOR YOU, WHY DO YOU CARE HOW I THROW IT. There are some who want you to master the ttqb because they did when some coaches dont care to be skilled at it. The focus should be on the game of football and that paticular passing play. IF MY HAND DOES NOT CROSS THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, HOW DOES USING A TTQB MAKE A THROW MORE RELEVANT THAN USING YOUR HAND, AS LONG AS YOU ARE THROWING. You mean to tell me if i see a receiver open and i pick up a ball ready to throw it with my hand, your going to say, no no, you have to use this (the ttqb). TELL ME WHY ! BECAUSE YOU ETCHED A APARATUS IN YOUR RULEBOOK. Would an NFL quarterback's pass become more relevant if a sideline crew halted the game and dragged out some sort of launcher to place the ball on and launch a pass. before you tell me well, thats how we passed as a kid before everyone learned how to use the ttqb. is hog wash. a coach was telling they love passing with there hands. they cut up cigarette butts and use those. THEE EMPHASIS SHOULD SOLEY BE COMPLETING THE PASS. I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF NO ONE CROSSS THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Shouldn't you worry about the actual game instead of worrying about who has a skill with a ttqb. There should be 3 options when WHOEVER WANTS TO PASS NEEDS TO MAKE A PASS. 1)TTQB IF YOU WANT TO USE IT 2)THROWING WITH YOUR HAND IF YOU WANT TO USE IT 3)LEADING A RECEIVER WITH STICKS IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT **LET THE COACH DECIDE WHAT IS THE BEST SCENARIO FOR COMPLETING THAT 1 PATICULAR PASS PLAY. ***THIS IS TOTAL FOCUS ON MAKING THAT PASS PLAY. BEFORE YOU TELL ME YOU SHOULD PRATICE WITH THE TTQB, TELL ME WHY CAN'T I PRATICE ALL THREE OPTIONS. IF YOU TELL ME IT IS NOT IN THE RULEBOOK, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL GAME ITSELF AND MAKING A PASS MOST COMFORTABLE TO A COACH. ***AS LONG AS NO ONE CROSSES THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE*** MANTARAYDRE |
Again, I would be less inclined to care what mechanism one used to attempt the pass IF the board was running during the attempt. You know, receivers and defenders in motion during a pass (or run) play. WOW! What a revolutionary and novel idea for a game of football. Want to pass? Do it while the play is in actual progress. Want to pitch? Same applies.
Before this gets too far off topic, there are some (fairly) old provisions for "possession receptions" too. ::: Debate Question ::: "What if one wanted to simulate a possession reception or a pass where the receiver sits down in the soft spot of a zone?" Simple...... Put that receiver on a dead base. The board would still be running so all other players could (not have to) move while the attempt is made. None of this is new to the game. It's all been done before. Though the "possession reception" method was recently given a new name by Jimbo. "Matrix." I like it. One more thing to add to your post MRD. Hand passes released behind the on-field QB and no higher than say a TTQB height above it. Many things have been used to see that passes are done consistently in a similar fashion. Some work better than others. Point is, I agree with most of what you said except for using the LOS as the release boundary. I think using the on-field QB's position is more appropriate. And that would include a mobile QB on the roll, run, what have you. I.E., follow him with your hand. It's all been done (successfully) before. So, nothing really new or innovative here. I'm out of popcorn. :nhnh: -Mike Pratt |
How do you guys inflate them tiny things? As soon as I move the tire pump they explode....sounds like a mouse set off a miniature cherry bomb. ltsplbll ftbll$ :eek:
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