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Anthony D Burgess 06-18-2008 09:51 PM

EF Leagues and Real Life Coaching
 
I have been away from this forum because I have been coaching a semi pro football team http://www.waldorfwarriors.com/coaching_staff.html

The page has not been up dated to show me as the head coach.

This hooby and leagues are like coaching a real team and hear is how$cch$ ....

The football players pay a registration fee, much like members pay to be in you're league.hlmt$

Many ( Think there going tobe WR, RB, KR etc hlmt$ ) but they just dont have the talent or skill set for the position:confused: , so I have to place them were it will be best for the team.$cch$

Members who join you're league think that they know what is best as far as rules etc.$cch$ hlmt$
Many of my player are learning things they didn't know, and they come from other semi pro teams, they are willing to learn in order to be better at there game.$cch$ hlmt$

Members of you're league should be the same way but are not. mtmstnks

I have had 1 player quit because he wanted to play one position but didn't have the skill for it (LB)$cch$ , so he was moved to the line (LT).$cch$

How many guys quit a league because there idea was not used, or the had a hard time adjusting to the game? rfr$ mtmstnks

Over All I have found that I am respected by all of me players, and every practice players are all ways telling me ( I see why you're the Head Coach )$cch$

If you are a member of a leaguehlmt$ , it is you're duty to honor and respect you're leader$cch$ . You are not showing respect when you all ways want to change a rule because it puts a light on you're weakness, or you think you have a say because you pay a fee to join a league.rfr$

You have a head coach$cch$ ( The Commissioner of you're league )

You are the playerhlmt$ ( The member of that league )

When you do the things that many of you do,mtmstnks ( the reasons why some of you break off and start you're own league )

It is a clear that you do not want to fall under the leadership of another and that type of attidude, we see this in real football as well. rfr$

League members all over need to be better member as you would be better players on a football team/in you're leaguehlmt$

A positive attitude, and a willingness to follow direction, respect for you're leader$cch$ will insure that you're league will run like it should and grow. thmbsp$

For the leaders of leagues/ Head Coach$cch$ , you are charged with leading men, be fair, be just, you have to know more than the men you lead in order to gain there trust and respect. thmbsp$

An EF league is like a football team, and the word TEAM means T-together E-everyone A-achieves M-more.$cch$ $cch$ $cch$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$ hlmt$

Are you doing you're part to insure that you're league achieves more ? :confused:

Or are you acting like a spoiled child who is not getting his way ? :rolleyes: mtmstnks

See you all at the SEAWALL BRAWL LEGEND'S BALL

Decal Master 06-18-2008 10:53 PM

I want to go on record and say that I am against any and all posts that ignite these types of discussions. Which is why I left the message board scene in the first place. Like burning the candle at both ends, you end up in the dark in a short period of time.

I figured I'd drop a distinction since everyone knows that AB and I often work together.

Still, this doesn't illustrate my opinions necessarily. I will remain off of the board once my decal issue with Manta Ray and Guttman is resolved. If the hobby brings you as much joy as it does to me then live it up and have a ball and do it the way you want to do it.

This is once again my last post (honest).

Shabby J 06-18-2008 11:21 PM

Anthony, good to see you posting again regardless.

Decal Master you should try to see past the garbage and focus on the big picture, promotion of MF, be it your way, his way or my way, as long as we are playing and taking this to the next level like both of you have helped do so far.

It's all good, there are always going to be differences of opinion.

Big things are coming, CBSMF fever is sweeping the nation!

2badjim 06-19-2008 01:07 AM

Think About It
 
A commissioner is a player in this league just like ever one else,he is not the coach of the league,Rules are changed every year from the NFL,Collage,High School, on down to us,A rule is presented & the owners vote.A league should be a democracy not a dictatorship,if i think our league would better benifit from a certain rule or whatever the case may be, i shold be able to bring it to the league table for discussion without feeling i'm bucking up against the commissioner,coaches make up a league,A commissioner carries out & governs what the LEAGUE has agreed upon lets keep this thing simple,the commish is trying to coach a GAME just as u are,but thats just me.

mantaraydre 06-19-2008 01:33 AM

Ant, Post Was Out There A Little After Black History Month
 
hey,


I put a post out there on you and the MPFL just after black history month by i never heard from you on it. Im not sure if you saw it.


MANTARAYDRE

OldSchool 06-19-2008 08:01 AM

I hope you'll reconsider...
 
Bill AKA Decal Master,

I understand what you're saying, but one thing you have to realize is that YOU (as a member of this message board) have the ULTIMATE say in which threads you choose to respond.

If you don't like certain threads, topics, or issues... don't read them and/or reply to them. When discussions turn into disagreements let those who like it go at it. None of us are obligated to participate in the candle burning.

If different guys or factions are in a heated discussion and it doesn't affect me personally... It doesn't bother me in the least. However we (as moderators) are only going to let it go... until lines are crossed. Once that happens we're obligated to step in.

Bill I really hope this wasn't your last post, but I do undestand that you have to do what's best for you. A lot of your posts were great contributions to this message board. You've shared knowledge as well as your experiences. Why let the controversial posts drive you away when it's (always been) your choice whether or not to get involved with them?

Just something to think about.

Peace,

Don Smith

Anthony D Burgess 06-19-2008 09:05 AM

Please Reread the Post
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2badjim (Post 43320)
A commissioner is a player in this league just like ever one else,he is not the coach of the league,Rules are changed every year from the NFL,Collage,High School, on down to us,A rule is presented & the owners vote.A league should be a democracy not a dictatorship,if i think our league would better benifit from a certain rule or whatever the case may be, i shold be able to bring it to the league table for discussion without feeling i'm bucking up against the commissioner,coaches make up a league,A commissioner carries out & governs what the LEAGUE has agreed upon lets keep this thing simple,the commish is trying to coach a GAME just as u are,but thats just me.

Please take the time to rearead the post as it is clear that you miss the point.

Don't let you're focus be on rules. You refer to NFL, Collage, High School but you do not see the point I'm trying to make. You're mind is closed off and I just want you to open you're mind.

This is not about rules, or styles as some may make this out to be, however it is all about personal conduct, and respect for you're self and those that are over you.

The Commissioner's role is to do what is best for the league and to protect the reputation of the league, as should it be in you're league in my opinion.

When you please others you tend to break down the structure that is set in place.

But there is a truth to you're statment, and what you stated does work when all the member are of one mind and one direction and that is to do what is best for the structure of football, to insure fair game play.

However when member abuse this privilege buy offering a change that benefits them while breaking the foundation of that structure, then the system you refer to fails.

Bill,

I am not trying to start anything, just expressing an observation based on what I have seen.

You told me that people don't like otheres because thay don't understand, they can't see the point they are trying to make, they are misunderstood.

I would think you of all people would understand that post as we have talked about that supervisor that no one wants to work under but in the end is the vary same one every one wants. And it is all about trust and respect.

Good luck on you're next game vs the Falcons

2badjim 06-19-2008 09:42 AM

Light & Dark/Good & Bad
 
I understood the point,but every league has its own type of Al Davis.He has his ways about him, but Al Davis has been great for football,its not all bad.sometimes that outlaw keeps a league focused,the commissioner of the EFL LEAGUES are NOT THE COACH or BOSS of the LEAGUE.Yes we all have to respect the love of this great hobby that we all share.Let the outlaw play & have fun too, one or two hard heads will never be as strong as the league.

davidmc 06-19-2008 12:39 PM

Quote:

A commissioner is a player in this league just like ever one else,he is not the coach of the league,Rules are changed every year from the NFL,Collage,High School, on down to us,A rule is presented & the owners vote.A league should be a democracy not a dictatorship,if i think our league would better benifit from a certain rule or whatever the case may be, i shold be able to bring it to the league table for discussion without feeling i'm bucking up against the commissioner,coaches make up a league,A commissioner carries out & governs what the LEAGUE has agreed upon lets keep this thing simple,the commish is trying to coach a GAME just as u are,but thats just me.
2badjim,

I agree that a league should be a democracy and not a dictatorship. We would always vote on rules, some would get put in and some would not. But the risk is this: There are always some coaches who want to change rules to suit their personal benefit as opposed to the benefit of the league. Or they will try to change a rule to work against 1 particular coach who is kicking the rest of the league's arse. To me this is wack. Make your team better or learn to coach better don't try to change a rule. Changes and suggestions are good but before we even bring to them to the table we need to make sure that we have the leagues best interest at heart!

Don't know what ya'll talking 'bout...just speaking from my experience

DMC

Electric Coach 06-19-2008 12:58 PM

Keep It In Check
 
I think what is going on with all of the disagreements that we have on this board is that we fail to keep our issues with one another within certain boundaries. Basically, keep your personal issues to yourself and at home. Don’t bring them to the message board nor bring them to the tournaments. Act like you have some sense. Stop trippin’.

Present your disagreements clearly and intelligently; doing that will help to alleviate some of the strife that goes on here sometimes.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

Anthony D Burgess 06-19-2008 02:22 PM

Gentlemen
 
Gentlemen

I want to apologies for sharing something I thought was positive and that might help this hobby as a hole grow and gain respect.

I was hoping to start a intellectual conversation, but as I can see no one wants to embrace that. I had hoped to find open minds, but I see that they are still closed.

I guess people/coaches will only view things from one perspective, and make assumptions based on what they think rather then trying to see things from another point of view.

I guess if I wrote about the nice weather I'm seeing right now that someone will misunderstand that to.

When we try to inject what we think about what we have read, rather then try to understand where someone is coming from we will only cause strife and discord among each other.

Again, I apologies for attempting a intellectual conversation.

It was a mistake to make that post.

Coach K-LO 06-19-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony D Burgess (Post 43365)
Gentlemen

I want to apologies for sharing something I thought was positive and that might help this hobby as a hole grow and gain respect.

I was hoping to start a intellectual conversation, but as I can see no one wants to embrace that. I had hoped to find open minds, but I see that they are still closed.

I guess people/coaches will only view things from one perspective, and make assumptions based on what they think rather then trying to see things from another point of view.

I guess if I wrote about the nice weather I'm seeing right now that someone will misunderstand that to.

When we try to inject what we think about what we have read, rather then try to understand where someone is coming from we will only cause strife and discord among each other.

Again, I apologies for attempting a intellectual conversation.

It was a mistake to make that post.

Some of this thread presents some interesting ideas. My question to you - are you willing to do what you are asking others to do?? I only ask because I can understand your view, but each member (player) must make that choice before they sign the contract ......

Kansas Bill 06-19-2008 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2badjim (Post 43320)
A commissioner is a player in this league just like ever one else,he is not the coach of the league,Rules are changed every year from the NFL,Collage,High School, on down to us,A rule is presented & the owners vote.A league should be a democracy not a dictatorship,if i think our league would better benifit from a certain rule or whatever the case may be, i shold be able to bring it to the league table for discussion without feeling i'm bucking up against the commissioner,coaches make up a league,A commissioner carries out & governs what the LEAGUE has agreed upon lets keep this thing simple,the commish is trying to coach a GAME just as u are,but thats just me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2badjim (Post 43346)
I understood the point,but every league has its own type of Al Davis.He has his ways about him, but Al Davis has been great for football,its not all bad.sometimes that outlaw keeps a league focused,the commissioner of the EFL LEAGUES are NOT THE COACH or BOSS of the LEAGUE.Yes we all have to respect the love of this great hobby that we all share.Let the outlaw play & have fun too, one or two hard heads will never be as strong as the league.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidmc (Post 43360)
2badjim,

I agree that a league should be a democracy and not a dictatorship. We would always vote on rules, some would get put in and some would not. But the risk is this: There are always some coaches who want to change rules to suit their personal benefit as opposed to the benefit of the league. Or they will try to change a rule to work against 1 particular coach who is kicking the rest of the league's arse. To me this is wack. Make your team better or learn to coach better don't try to change a rule. Changes and suggestions are good but before we even bring to them to the table we need to make sure that we have the leagues best interest at heart!

Don't know what ya'll talking 'bout...just speaking from my experience

DMC

Agree wholeheartedly guys..

The Tornado Alley EFL has adopted a lot of rules changes this year.. but all with the intention of opening up the offense.. Which has been a complete success.. the best coaches are still the best coaches.. we're just all having a lot more fun and scoring more points doing it.

I think I'm the commissioner.. WOLF!.. Am I the commissioner or are you? I guess we never really hammered that out.. :D We just all work together to make the game as enjoyable as possible..

We don't collect league dues either..

If we do indeed finally.. and I mean finally make that recruiting push we keep talking about. then ya.. we'll need a commissioner.. as it is now.. We just make calls to fellow coaches/players when we have a question on rules..

It works for us.

WEIRDWOLF 06-19-2008 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kansas Bill (Post 43376)

I think I'm the commissioner.. WOLF!.. Am I the commissioner or are you? I guess we never really hammered that out.. :D We just all work together to make the game as enjoyable as possible..

You are the Commissioner! I happily bow to your wisdom....:D

Kansas Bill 06-19-2008 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEIRDWOLF (Post 43378)
You are the Commissioner! I happily bow to your wisdom....:D


My wisdom??!!!
We're screwed.. LOL:D

2badjim 06-20-2008 02:54 PM

Much Deeper
 
I feel i'm missing somthing here,theres a deeper message in all of this that i'm not aware of,i thought we were just having a heart to heart talk,come on guys lets keep this in clean fun,there is enough for every one.


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