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mantaraydre 07-17-2008 01:01 PM

Green Bay Should Be Ashamed Of Themselves
 
BRETT FARVE SHOULD DO WHAT HE WANT'S AFTER SLL HE HAS DONE FOR THAT ORG. He should play until an ambulance or hurse has to cart him off the field. I KNEW ORGANIZATIONS WERE FULL OF IT THE DAY JOE MONTANA WAS TRADED TO THE CHIEFS (ARE YOU KIDDING ME) THE GREAT JOE A CHIEF!!!
The greatest qb that ever lived, A CHIEF. No respect for san fran either.

THE ONE AND ONLY VINNY LMB IS PROBABLY TURNING IN HIS GRAVE. the fans should stage a mutny on green bay (while it's still warm) You are just a another number to these org's.


LET FARVE PLAY, BESIDES, WHAT THE HELL ARRON ROGERS GONNA DO BUT THROW INTERCEPTIONS GALORE


MANTARAYDRE

WolverineFan 07-17-2008 02:23 PM

yea
 
They should let him come back which is what I want.But if not cut the man and let him sign elsewhere.

He should put in for reinstatement and come to training camp in time.He would get paid and they would not give him 13 million to be a back up.Thats what I would do.

4th & 26 07-17-2008 02:24 PM

The Packers don't owe him anything. If anything, he owes the Packers. If it wasn't for Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren, he would've just been a second string quarterback with a 3-4 year career. They even hired Mike Sherman as GM years ago because that would make Brett happy. The Packers turned him into a legend.

2badjim 07-17-2008 02:36 PM

Destin
 
Farve Was Destin To Be A Ledgen,Green Bay Had Not Been Mentioned In Football Talk Before Farve Got There,All That Was Talked About Was Glory Days In The 50s & 60s,Green Bay Owes Him Everything!!!!

2badjim 07-17-2008 02:47 PM

Mantaray-Dre Whats Wrong With Montana Becomming A Chief?He Took Them To The AFC Championship Game & Lost To The Bills.The Chiefs Have Won A Super Bowl 69-70 Just Because U Were Not There Does Not Demminish The Fact That The Chiefs Were World Champs At One Time,It Seems To Me Your Opinion Of The Chiefs Is Extreely Low My Friend,Whats Your Team?:mad: :mad:

dallcow4life28 07-17-2008 03:35 PM

Lombardi would
 
never put Favre before the team. Favre is a big baby begging for attention. He really believes that the world can't get enough of him--but in reality the media are the only ones riding his jock. I, like many other people are just tired of hearing his friggin name. OVERrated!!!!

bigdawg43 07-17-2008 09:32 PM

The whole situation
 
irritates me. I don't think that the packers owe Favre anything. He can comeback if he wants he just might not start, although given Rodgers history he would be starting by the 2nd half of game one. If they decide to move on then they should let him go. Many of the "greats" have finished their careers with other teams ( Namath, Unitas, Montana, Stabler ) so if he goes somewhere else it would be no big deal.

ONE2WATCH 07-17-2008 09:59 PM

hahahahah
 
Chuck u want him back because your a brett farve fan not cause its best for the team.My take is if you didnt want to to retire you shouldn't have.Anyone
who has played the game knows you get that itch around May.With that being said he should have waited till then to decide. I understand what Green
Bay is going through but they need to move on to see what rogers is really
about .If farve wouldn't have retired the offense would have been based around him, but since he did they start building there offense toward Aarons
abilities. So tuff move your feet lose your seat.:D

Coach_J 07-17-2008 10:12 PM

Dre' have to disagree with you on this topic my friend. We need to go back to the 2003 season. If you recall Favre's father passed away unexpectedly the day before they were to play a Monday game against the Raiders. Favre lit up the Raiders that night and the sports world was pulling for Brett and his family. The retirement talk began at the end of the 2003 season and as we all know has been the subject at the end of every season since then. In other words for the last five years at the end of the season the question was is Brett going to retire. We must not forget his tearful retirement conference in March. If you say you are retired then please retire. The only thing I fault the Packers for is that they did not clean out and move the belongings from his locker after he announced his TEARFUL retirement. Now it is obvious that they were crocodile tears. I no longer like to listen to sports center or go to the NFL Network because that is all I hear. In my book his legacy is ruined. As was said earlier Unitas, Montana, Namath, and Stabler finished there careers elsewhere and only Stabler is not in the Hall Of Fame. Also when these greats announced there retirement they did just that. They retired. So Brett you need to understand it is NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. Finally if I am the Packers I would send him to Miami for Jason Taylor.

Coach J

dallcow4life28 07-17-2008 10:19 PM

Very well put...
 
Coach J.ppls$ ppls$ ppls$

Hook'em Horns 07-18-2008 01:07 PM

I understand both sides...
 
The constitution protects your right to earn a wage in this country. Therefore, should you want to work and have the ability to work no one has the right to forfeit you the opportunity to earn a living. Therefore, Brett can retire 40 times and should be allowed an opportunity to play should that be his desire.

However, someone has to offer him a job. In this case Green Bay has right to him under the "reserve retired" rule in the nfl. He has 3 years remaining on his contract. The question is "should Green Bay let him go?" There are a few things that come to mind here when I think of this. To me Green Bay has a better shot at making it further into the playoffs with Brett because of his experience. However, his return make take a tole on the emotional psychy of his predecessor which will in turn destroy the very near future of this franchise.

So you ask yourself if the goal is to stabalize the franchise long term then the answer would be to release him. However, this is a business and just releasing him isn't the answer. There are many teams interested therefore Favre obviously has trade value so a trade would seem the most likely. Having him on the bench as a backup eating up salary cap space makes no sense.

If your goal is to win right now the obvious thing would be to make amends, move forward and allow Favre back into cap. Then you ask yourself what happens to the emotional Psychy of your young QB? You know what I say to this? If a QB in a tradtion rich program such as the Packers can't bounce back from being benched then he probably won't be able to handle the pressures of playing for such a historical organization!

My suggesstion, allow him back. The goal is to win the Super Bowl and Favre gives you the best opportunity to do that. How many athletes in all sports retire yet only to return over and over again. Michael Jordan did it twice, Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, Bernard Hopkins and Oscar Dela Hoya all continue to do it, Strahan did it last year as well as many other greats! So I say let him return.

Coach K-LO 07-18-2008 01:46 PM

he should be allowed to come back, but.....
 
let me say this to start my thoughts on the matter- I AM A HUGE BRETT FARVE FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now with that being said, here is my take on the whole thing (after getting resent updates) and what I think they (Packers) should do.

1st, Favre should not have retired but he said it was forced....I might believe that based on how last season finished, how could a guy walk away after such a great season...however it was Favre who said the words and dropped the tears...

A.Rodgers is NOT ready for primetime- has not made it thru a full year being a BACKUP - how long would he last as THE MAN....
he has been in the shadows of Favre for his time in the NFL, but when he gets on the field he gets hurt - Favre on the other hand has not missed a game since he took over for QB...you can count on him to be there...

if they cut Farve, they get nothing but headaches, heartaches, and maybe losses, but you also get the chance that Favre would come back to play against the Packers....no one wants that in Packers Nation. AND the Packers would get nothing from that senerio....

...since Favre is vested, he can dictate where, if any, he would get traded to so the Packers lose this battle because (1) they are limited to where they could send him; (2) won't get much for him anyway..........

artlax 07-18-2008 02:05 PM

Again - I say!
 
If Rodgers is THE guy, THE answer - why did they draft Brohm???

Let Favre come back and do what he does.

Let Rodgers go somewhere else.

Let Brohm learn from the master.

Because Brohm is THE long term plan for the Pack - not Rodgers!

2badjim 07-18-2008 02:41 PM

No Future
 
Rodgers Has No Future In Breen Bay & Everyone Knows It,The One Time He Was Allowed To Play He Broke His Foot!!!PLEASE.

HOOP 07-19-2008 09:43 AM

Easy Bret, You Know You Gotta Go
 
saw this on a blog .

Brett Favre is the biggest baby!

For a guy who says "it's all about the team" let's not forget he was the one who called out Javon Walker a few years ago saying that he had to come to camp and forget about the money, so what does Javon do, he's fires his agent, comes to camp and blows out his knee in the first game of the season, thanks Brett. Fort the next few years, he dangles retirement, stating that the Packers don't have enough weapons surrounding him for them to win, so what does Ted Thompson do, he stacks the Packers with talent, and yet Brett fails miserably in the Playoffs, anyone check his TD to interception ratio last year? Then the Packers draft Aaron Rodgers, "oh Brett arer you gonna be the good team player that you are and take Aaron under your wing, 'Ugh, that's not my job'." What a guy. Then this year after he retires, Ted Thompson and Mike Mcarthy volunteer to fly down to Miss., only to hear that Brett is retiring doesn't feel liek playing, so the Packers plan ahead! What else are they supposed to do!

This guy is such a selfish player, borderline TO. Don't let emotions cloud your mind Packers fans. For a guy who has a Passer rating pf 62.1 in the playoffs since 1998! Please, can we move on!

HOOP 07-19-2008 09:52 AM

But If I Could Take A Crack At........
 
SAYING IT BETTER, I WOULD HAVE THIS TO SAY...........

Sometimes, all you have to do is wait long enough and someone's true
character will show. I have been saying it for years. BRETT FAVRE IS THE
BIGGEST 'bit, er, baby' IN THE LEAGUE. So, let me understand this. Mr.
"Gunslinger" holds the franchise hostage year in and out with this retire or
not to retire bullcrap, and then, after repeated attempts to keep him, he
decides to retire. Now the cat decides he wants to play again, after Green
Bay has already changed their draft strategy to fill his void, never mind
install a new offense and mentally move on. But because the spirit has moved
this bit, er, 'baby', again to play, he asks the GM about playing again. Because they didn't show enough enthusiasm or respond to his liking, he wants a release?
What a 'baby'. I'd trade him to an Arena league team or the Texans and
tell him to go and fake some sacks down there. Predictably, the media is
giving him that Favre pass again. I have only seen one reporter hold him
accountable. . .all of the rest of these sheep just fall in line and attack
the Packers for not 'giving him what he wants'. Could you imagine Donovan
Mcnabb pulling this sh, er, stuff, and trying to get away with it? Favre is overrated and now has successfully tainted his career in Green Bay with his childish sh, stuff. I'm lovin it. . .

dallcow4life28 07-19-2008 12:20 PM

Michael Downs...
 
Amen!!!ppls$ ppls$ ppls$

ONE2WATCH 07-20-2008 12:36 PM

oh yeah
 
preach Scottppls$ ppls$ ppls$ ppls$ ppls$ ppls$ ppls$ ppls$

WolverineFan 07-20-2008 01:01 PM

Scott
 
I hear some of what you are saying but how did he fail miserably last year?The were in the NFC Championship game.If it was not a frozen game Green Bay would of won.NY had the bigger better back for that type of game.You talk his td to int ratio.How many games did he win for them huh?They went 13-3 last year.The guy is not a baby.Strahan has done the same thing 3 years in row about quiting not quiting.Do you bring that up.Yes Green Bay has moved on and drafted for life with out him and thats cool.But let the man go.Other greats have done the same thing and finished out there career with other teams.Oh you dont want him back but you dont want him playing on a team that COULD burn you in playoff time.PLEASE.If i was him i would come to came.13 million as a back up.I do feel for both sides but sounds like Green Bay will not work with him.He has asked to be cut but they dont want to cut him so sounds like Green Bay is being the baby.

HOOP 07-20-2008 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 46307)
I hear some of what you are saying but how did he fail miserably last year?The were in the NFC Championship game.If it was not a frozen game Green Bay would of won.NY had the bigger better back for that type of game.You talk his td to int ratio.How many games did he win for them huh?They went 13-3 last year.The guy is not a baby.Strahan has done the same thing 3 years in row about quiting not quiting.Do you bring that up.Yes Green Bay has moved on and drafted for life with out him and thats cool.But let the man go.Other greats have done the same thing and finished out there career with other teams.Oh you dont want him back but you dont want him playing on a team that COULD burn you in playoff time.PLEASE.If i was him i would come to came.13 million as a back up.I do feel for both sides but sounds like Green Bay will not work with him.He has asked to be cut but they dont want to cut him so sounds like Green Bay is being the baby.

He failed miserably because he again, like many other playoff years, just threw pics all around the field. and dont bring up the frozen weather cause thats so supposed to be the whole mystique of Lambeu field. thats what ANY packer fan would want in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP game - and bret couldnt come through AGAIN!!!! and as far as strahan goes, he doesnt play QB!! AND, when he RETIRED, he RETIRED!!!! The only relation Strahan has to this discussion is bringing up Farves fake sack to get him the record.

And if i was greenbay, i would let him go and HOPE he signs with a rival so he can march into GB and get his tooshy rocked as Atari sits back and waits for a the pic he is going to throw 45 yrds down field to Jennings who is triple covered. but it none of it matters. fans root for the helmet, not the name on the back. farve will be long gone into his overrated legacy and the packers will still be around getting waxed by Dallas.

artlax 07-20-2008 02:02 PM

As simple as this.
 
Green Bay has never been sold on Rodgers - hence Brohm drafted.

They probably leaned on Favre a bit so they could decide whether to make that move.

As of now - their best bet in my view is to let Brett decide where/if he wants to go somewhere else.

If they push him out and he has a great season elsewhere - the GM is on the hook.

Reality - The whole scenario was probably bungled a bit by ALL involved.

WolverineFan 07-20-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MICHAEL DOWNS (Post 46314)
He failed miserably because he again, like many other playoff years, just threw pics all around the field. and dont bring up the frozen weather cause thats so supposed to be the whole mystique of Lambeu field. thats what ANY packer fan would want in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP game - and bret couldnt come through AGAIN!!!! and as far as strahan goes, he doesnt play QB!! AND, when he RETIRED, he RETIRED!!!! The only relation Strahan has to this discussion is bringing up Farves fake sack to get him the record.

And if i was greenbay, i would let him go and HOPE he signs with a rival so he can march into GB and get his tooshy rocked as Atari sits back and waits for a the pic he is going to throw 45 yrds down field to Jennings who is triple covered. but it none of it matters. fans root for the helmet, not the name on the back. farve will be long gone into his overrated legacy and the packers will still be around getting waxed by Dallas.

I did not want Green Bay to play at Lambeu.NY had a better style back for that game.Green Bay is a spread team.It was hard both both teams to pass the ball that game.He does throw alot of pics.Farve is not over rated.The only 3 time MVP come on.He owns most records which will probaly be broken.Most consecutive games as a starting TD.I am not saying I agree with this whole sutuation.But he has asked to be released and They wont do it.You even said let him pic his team.That is all he is asking for so what is the big deal.He stated cut me but they dont want him going to Chicago or Minnasota.As far as Strahan the last two years he played he was on and off about retiring .Beginning of last year he talked about holding out and then retiring to.I know he is not a QB.So everyone else can do that.I do understand he is under different standards but it should not matter.They really pressured him to make a quick decision.He did and make a mistake Green Bay drafted two QBs so cut him and let him go somewhere else.But Green Bay dont want that because if Rogers fail they take the heat.

HOOP 07-20-2008 04:57 PM

yeah Chuck
 
I think we feel the same way. we just said it two different ways from our like Brett/ Hate Brett bias view. BTW, i am the hate Brett, if no one noticedlffng$ .

but the bottom line is, i dont care. Brett has never been a threat to Dallas so it doesnt bother me. the only thing i am having trouble with the sports talk shows on tv and radio - ALL BRETT, ALL THE TIME!:confused: :confused:

ENOUGH ALREADY!


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