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Anthony D Burgess 11-25-2008 08:12 PM

Welcome to the MPFL
 
I want to first thank every one who will read or post in this area. And also thank the MFCA for giving the MPFL this area.

To all who express an interest in this system the first thing you should know is that this is not EF according to what people think, it is not a rule set.

It is infact a procedure guide to play actual real football with miniatures, the rules are simple, " Real Football Rules NFL "

The next thing is to click in this link WWW.MPFLFOOTBALL.COM

Everything you will need to know about this system you can find there,
http://www.mpflfootball.com/history.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/philosophy.htm
http://www.mpflfootball.com/football101/index.htm

Anthony D Burgess 11-25-2008 08:18 PM

Any Questions
 
If you have any question about this remarkable system, or if you have purchased the DVD and have question, please ask !!!!!!

Hear you can feel free to express how you feel about this system, and how it has changed the way you view this hobby.

I can also help you with coaching tips, coaching tips.

Shabby J 11-25-2008 11:13 PM

Good luck Anthony, I am glad you got a forum for MPFL!

mantaraydre 11-26-2008 08:39 AM

THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING INTO THE MPFL
 
I will post in depth later but for starters this is the most innovative and realistic approach to football. It is what you alway's wanted to do on a miniature scale. TIS IS THE SYSTEM FOR COACHES MORE SO THAN JUST SKILLED EF PLAYERS.


I HAVE A VERY QUICK QUESTION.


ARE ITZ DIALS ALLOWED AND ARE BOAT BASES ALLOWED /


MANTARAYDRE

BAXTER 11-26-2008 09:32 AM

Got A Question For, Homez...
 
I posted this in the other forum recently, but did not get a reply from you. Just in case you did not see it, I am posting it here as well. Please respond to this as it relates to the MPFL system. Thx!

Did anybody peep the rule out a couple of weeks ago about the legal forward pass when a portion of the QB’s body has not crossed the LOS? I believe, in the example to which they were referring, it was the back of the QB’s foot that remained behind the LOS at the time the ball was released. All other parts of the QB’s body was either on or past the LOS.

"I may not be quoting this exactly right, so please forgive me, but regarding this situation, it appears that the NFL rule states that "a forward pass is legal as long as some portion of the player’s body remains behind the LOS at the time the ball is released.”

If this is correct, why, in most cases, do WE (in the EF/MF/BB/MPF community) consider the QB to be ineligible to pass or pitch the ball once his base touches the LOS and not once all of his base and/or body is no longer behind the LOS?

Thx!

-Adrian-
:) :) :D :) :)

mantaraydre 11-26-2008 11:26 AM

THE MPFL RULE SET
 
ATT ADRIAN,


Can you share some experiences playing in the MPFL.

1) HOW WAS YOUR RUNNING GAME ?


2) YOUR PERSONAL MAGNET USE ?


3) DID YOUR RECEIVERS RUN GREAT ROUTES ?

ETC ETC ETC


Whatever you can share playing in this system



thanx
mantaraydre

BAXTER 11-26-2008 12:38 PM

Hope This Helps, Dre!
 
ATT ADRIAN,


Can you share some experiences playing in the MPFL.


1) HOW WAS YOUR RUNNING GAME ?
I am not sure exactly. Burgess has all the stats. I believe it was basically non-existent.

2) YOUR PERSONAL MAGNET USE ?Preferred to use fewer magnets than most other coaches. Mostly used one and rarely two on O. Used two to three on D quite frequently. Used the max of 5 on D occasionally.

Defensively, I am extremely unconventional. Using fewer magnets helps with my style. Also, it helps cut down on waisted time simply because there is so much to do and/or pay attention to during each stoppage. Some time there is a struggle to (1) remember who is on a magnet and (2) remove the magnet (sounds simple to do, right?).


3) DID YOUR RECEIVERS RUN GREAT ROUTES ?Not really. I believe, the more time you spend in this system, the more a coach will improve. I never practiced and my regular season games were too spaced out to achieve any level of consistent improvement. With that said, I was no cake-walk for any of my opponents. BELIEVE THAT!!!

ETC ETC ETC
This is a GREAT well thought-out system. In my eyes, as well as some others who have played under this system, there are only a few areas that need to be addressed. But, it appears that the culture that exists for change (no matter how minor) in this environment is not well received. And when I say change, I mean a tweak here and a tweak there to make more sense and to be one more step towards realism. In any event, these areas of concern should have no bearing on anyone playing this style.

Ex: Kick-offs and Punts.
If one is required/chooses to kick/punt, then it should not be automatic. Specifically regarding punts, if you have me pent on my 2 yard-line and I punt on 4th down, it does not make much sense for you to take over on your own 20 yard line. It just does not make sense. This is not a scrimmage. Neither should the D be penalized (if you will) for palying excellent D. Again, this is no reason to be discouraged from playing this style. I strongly believe that, things like this will be changed over time. The more we ask questions, express our opinions and participate, the more likely the change we are all looking for will occur. The type of change from which we all will benefit. I strongly believe that this type of change is inevitable.

Overall, I love playing in this system. I just NEED more CONSISTENT play from all involved.

-Adrian-
:) :) :D :) :)

Anthony D Burgess 11-26-2008 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAXTER (Post 57381)
I posted this in the other forum recently, but did not get a reply from you. Just in case you did not see it, I am posting it here as well. Please respond to this as it relates to the MPFL system. Thx!

Did anybody peep the rule out a couple of weeks ago about the legal forward pass when a portion of the QB’s body has not crossed the LOS? I believe, in the example to which they were referring, it was the back of the QB’s foot that remained behind the LOS at the time the ball was released. All other parts of the QB’s body was either on or past the LOS.

"I may not be quoting this exactly right, so please forgive me, but regarding this situation, it appears that the NFL rule states that "a forward pass is legal as long as some portion of the player’s body remains behind the LOS at the time the ball is released.”

If this is correct, why, in most cases, do WE (in the EF/MF/BB/MPF community) consider the QB to be ineligible to pass or pitch the ball once his base touches the LOS and not once all of his base and/or body is no longer behind the LOS?

Thx!

-Adrian-
:) :) :D :) :)

Adrian

I want to maintain consistency, the base is used to tackle, mark forward progress, did the player step out of bounds?

Also to eliminate avenues that a coach may try to use to gain an unfair advantage by playing to the rule rather then play football.
I also want to eliminate the gray areas in the NFL Rules, and make it simple.

Is he over or on the line or past it etc, so to keep it simple if any part of the QB's base is OVER the line ( LOS ) then it is an illegal forward pass.

Anthony D Burgess 11-26-2008 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAXTER (Post 57401)
ATT ADRIAN,


Can you share some experiences playing in the MPFL.


1) HOW WAS YOUR RUNNING GAME ?
I am not sure exactly. Burgess has all the stats. I believe it was basically non-existent.

2) YOUR PERSONAL MAGNET USE ?Preferred to use fewer magnets than most other coaches. Mostly used one and rarely two on O. Used two to three on D quite frequently. Used the max of 5 on D occasionally.

Defensively, I am extremely unconventional. Using fewer magnets helps with my style. Also, it helps cut down on waisted time simply because there is so much to do and/or pay attention to during each stoppage. Some time there is a struggle to (1) remember who is on a magnet and (2) remove the magnet (sounds simple to do, right?).


3) DID YOUR RECEIVERS RUN GREAT ROUTES ?Not really. I believe, the more time you spend in this system, the more a coach will improve. I never practiced and my regular season games were too spaced out to achieve any level of consistent improvement. With that said, I was no cake-walk for any of my opponents. BELIEVE THAT!!!

ETC ETC ETC
This is a GREAT well thought-out system. In my eyes, as well as some others who have played under this system, there are only a few areas that need to be addressed. But, it appears that the culture that exists for change (no matter how minor) in this environment is not well received. And when I say change, I mean a tweak here and a tweak there to make more sense and to be one more step towards realism. In any event, these areas of concern should have no bearing on anyone playing this style.

Ex: Kick-offs and Punts.
If one is required/chooses to kick/punt, then it should not be automatic. Specifically regarding punts, if you have me pent on my 2 yard-line and I punt on 4th down, it does not make much sense for you to take over on your own 20 yard line. It just does not make sense. This is not a scrimmage. Neither should the D be penalized (if you will) for palying excellent D. Again, this is no reason to be discouraged from playing this style. I strongly believe that, things like this will be changed over time. The more we ask questions, express our opinions and participate, the more likely the change we are all looking for will occur. The type of change from which we all will benefit. I strongly believe that this type of change is inevitable.

Overall, I love playing in this system. I just NEED more CONSISTENT play from all involved.

-Adrian-
:) :) :D :) :)

Adrian

There is a rule in place however the coaches are not ready for this as of yet. Keeping thing simple is the key. Not all coaches work on there kickers as they should, so those that do gain an advantage through hard work.

As the coaches mature in the system then they will advance to the next
level that this system has to offer, until then it is what it is.thmbsp$

Anthony D Burgess 11-27-2008 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE (Post 57369)
I will post in depth later but for starters this is the most innovative and realistic approach to football. It is what you alway's wanted to do on a miniature scale. TIS IS THE SYSTEM FOR COACHES MORE SO THAN JUST SKILLED EF PLAYERS.


I HAVE A VERY QUICK QUESTION.


ARE ITZ DIALS ALLOWED ( Yes ) AND ARE BOAT BASES ALLOWED ( NO ) /


MANTARAYDRE

The answer is there.

mantaraydre 11-27-2008 02:55 PM

THANX, JUST TAKING NOTES AND PREPARING THE PHIN'S
 
Ant one other question.


are the BROWN bases allowed IF PAINTED GREEN TO MATCH THE FIELD ?


I know these bases are outlawed in various league's. Just checking to see if they can be used.


MANTARAYDRE

Anthony D Burgess 11-28-2008 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE (Post 57471)
Ant one other question.


are the BROWN bases allowed IF PAINTED GREEN TO MATCH THE FIELD ?( YES )

I know these bases are outlawed in various league's. Just checking to see if they can be used.


MANTARAYDRE

Cool

HOOP 12-02-2008 06:25 PM

Hey Ant.
 
i just paypaled you for the DVD. i am looking forward to the viewing and checking out your style of play.

Scott Hooper

Mike Carr 12-02-2008 09:35 PM

Please explain comment
 
Ex: Kick-offs and Punts.
If one is required/chooses to kick/punt, then it should not be automatic. Specifically regarding punts, if you have me pent on my 2 yard-line and I punt on 4th down, it does not make much sense for you to take over on your own 20 yard line. It just does not make sense. This is not a scrimmage. Neither should the D be penalized (if you will) for palying excellent D. Again, this is no reason to be discouraged from playing this style. I strongly believe that, things like this will be changed over time. The more we ask questions, express our opinions and participate, the more likely the change we are all looking for will occur. The type of change from which we all will benefit. I strongly believe that this type of change is inevitable.

Overall, I love playing in this system. I just NEED more CONSISTENT play from all involved.

-Adrian-


Adrian

There is a rule in place however the coaches are not ready for this as of yet. Keeping thing simple is the key. Not all coaches work on there kickers as they should, so those that do gain an advantage through hard work.

As the coaches mature in the system then they will advance to the next level that this system has to offer, until then it is what it is.


I need some explaination to your comment about coaches not being ready. How do you determain if a coach is ready for something if they haven't been seen doing it. I really don't understand the meaning of saying is not mature enough for something to be put into a system that will make it greater than it already is, like Mr. Baxter said having a defense stop an oppentent on the two yard line and have them put you back on your 20 takes all the wind out of you because you have just been pentalize for playing great defense. As for myself I have returned punts for 68, 74 & 89 yard touchdowns and not to mention a 94 yard kickoff return in a game. So once again I am asking what determines a coach to be ready or not ready.

Anthony D Burgess 12-03-2008 04:36 AM

There is a rule in place however the coaches are not ready for this as of yet. Keeping thing simple is the key. Not all coaches work on there kickers as they should, so those that do gain an advantage through hard work.

As the coaches mature in the system then they will advance to the next level that this system has to offer, until then it is what it is.

As this season is a prime example, games not being played on time, games forfeited. Coaches going for it on 4 and long from there 2 yard line clearly show poor decision making.

Coaches want this and that however are unable to follow instructions as per coaches duties and responsibility. Now I will just leave it at that.

But as stated above, here is something in place but it is not time to put it into effect.

Anthony D Burgess 12-03-2008 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MICHAEL DOWNS (Post 57891)
i just paypaled you for the DVD. i am looking forward to the viewing and checking out your style of play.

Scott Hooper

Alright, I will try to send you're DVD out to you on Thursday. thmbsp$

JIMBO 12-31-2008 09:25 PM

MISSED THIS ONE
 
This is probably the most abused aspect of the game. There is NO rule in the NFL prohibiting a team from recruiting a Punter with a bionic leg that could punt the ball 98 yards. If Col. Steve Austin played in the NFL or Clark Kent, then that would be a regular occurence. Right now the physical human limitation of the average punter is about 45 yds with a 4-second hangtime.

IF you practice with your kicker you should be able to do what the pros do, BUT within the limitations of the miniature game. It is near impossible to see exactly where the ball crosses out-of-bounds like the side judge does. All we CAN see is the ball either goes OB or it goes through the endzone. ANYBODY and EVERYBODY can do that without practice. No skill involved.

Since this is an ADVANCED way of playing and to help with the simulation, we should install limitations thus mandating practice and improved skill i.e. "the ball must rest within either sideline without ricochet." - Jimbo's HYBRID Rules, 2008. I'm curious to see AB's ruling on this.

I say, if you can land the ball on the backline, then I'll take the ball at my 20. On either sideline, I'll take it at the spot. BUT...if you mess up and land it on the 1 and you have no coverage, then it is what it is.

If it's in the rules then do it, regardless of Coaching experience. thmbsp$


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