As always my friend from Down Under you have looked at the matter with both eyes open, and have used good sound comparisons to make your point, I did read the subbuteo post and your right on all your points, the problem is that we have to come together to make what is spoken about a reality, thanks for the response, hey Dent by the way did you ever speak to that figure maker in your area, let me know , im still trying to get my project off the ground. Holla back ok.