I'm learing I'm learning...I just need to see it in play....no matter what you use, or do. We should all come into it with an open mind. Nobodys is right, nobody is wrong. Its a hobby we all enjoy...have fun!!! I want to learn both ways..as beenutt said, depending on the tourny you have to be able to do both. So, I want to be good at all ways to pass....