Tron has made an observation?

Fellas,

The question is TTQB passing vs. Pass placement? My mortal existance as the humble and lovable Sean Carter has about a 45% TTQB passing rating. My tweaking abilities as Tron gives me a 90% pass placement rating. Thus I favor pass placement. I have come to notice that the best TTQB passers don't approve of pass placement. I believe Pass placement keeps those of us with bigger hands in the game. I hated the TTQB as a young boy and I still don't have much love for him now. Which do you prefer and why?

[Coach Rip]

When playing "O", and I'm hot, .............I'll use the TTQB, .............big advantage for the "O"

As a business man, tournament promoter, league builder, hobby recruiter, .........I like to have Pass Simulation shown/used along with the TTQB, so to show the new guys they can have a passing game too, ..........without having to use the TTQB ...................AND for the guys that have been in the hobby that STILL do not use the TTQB, .........that way:
a) Everyone can play
b) makes the defense play harder

[NEW CASTLE HiTMEN]

I use the passing sticks from BuzzBall. When my young nephews started plaing they did not like the TTQB. To difficult to pass they said. Then I found the sticks. Now they're hooked. I never like the TTQB anyway. JUST MY OPINION!

[TVsCHACHI]

I don't see why both aren't used. As long as you don't take 10 minutes to decide which, say you have to know in 10 seconds. There are tournaments exclusively for TTQ, but none for just Pass Simulation (to the best of my knowledge). In tournaments where Pass Simulation is allowed, so is TTQ. I like both, and it takes a good hand or blind luck to get those bases to run straight.

[Coach Rip]

..................which is why at BuzzFest, whichever you 1st touch, either the stick or TTQB, ........that is what you must use.

In high pressure situations, ..................many times a pass is mulled over like a birdie putt in the US Open,.............

[RAIDERMAN]

Excuse me? Did you just say...................."When playing "O", and I'm hot, .............???

Nope, not doing it. Too easy. No honor in that. I ain't doing it. BUT YOU ALL CAN!! ROTF!! LOL!!

RAIDERMAN

[Coach Rip]

yes, Occasionally I get hot with TTQB!

and sometimes I'm colder than the North Pole! .....okay most of the time...............but I did win the Beltway college league's tournament's Passing competition two years ago, ...........unfortunately I was unable to attend and defend my title this past tournament.

[GUTTMANN]

What about the QB's "Line of sight"? Should that have anything to do with limiting you to use one or the other? I know, stupid question.
No comments please, Raiderman! LOL
Mike

[Reginald Rutledge]

I think, from a business perspective, it's wonderful having anyone and everyone who has an interest in playing miniature football playing the game. If you can bring them back into the game via TTQB or Sticks, you do what you have to do.

From a tournament standpoint, I think you really thinking in terms of two different methods or skills. I don't think you can or should use both in the game together. I think when I guy beats you with sticks, you know if he was playing using the TTQB, he would not stand a chance! But I also know some guys prefer the stick method because it gives them a chance to compete against others who use the TTQB.

For my preference, I think if you are going to have a tournament and you know the majority of that tournament is centered around guys who use pass simulation, just make the tournament pass simulation PERIOD! If a tournament is where you want to emphasize TTQB, let it be understood that that tourney is TTQB. Or to save time, make the tournament where you do have two different divisions, TTQB and Pass Simulation. That way, guys will decide which method they want to go and you don't exculed anyone. Everybody can still play at that tournament but in different divisions.

As an miniature football coach, I want to play guys who play me using the same skills, not something different from me. And do understand, I am a student of the game, an educator and all that but when it comes to tournament play, I want to know that coach opposite me is competing against me using the same skills as myself. When that is done, you walk away not feeling cheated or asking, "Why am I waisting my time?"

I think guys don't pass with the TTQB because they are scared of the results. They are scared that they will not hit the pass! That happens, and it happens to me a lot (especially in stadiums). But until you elevate your awareness to that level, whenever a television station or newspaper columnist comes around and ask you that age old question, "How do you kick or throw?" and your reply is, "We really don't use that. It does not work". Well, you are cheating yourself out of reaching potential recruits. You are cheating the game out of its value. And you are cheating the original makers of the game because they saw the vision of being able to pass with that QB and kick with that QB.

I know this is a hot button for many but it really should not be. If you dig deep within your own psychological complexes, you may know this to be true. But if you continue to try to say both are equal, I think we shortchange the game. I've got no problem on having two divisions and give guys the choice to play in the division they prefer.

And again Tron ( and you know you my 'Boy!), I probably would not come to a tournament if I could not use my kicker and TTQB to do his thing. You've got no idea what an impression it makes on the masses. Just remember that commercial when you was a little kid that hooked you. The dad was playing football with his son and he threw a pass and slo-moed it and then kicked a field goal. At that point, the game hooked you, me, and millions of others. It still can.

Reginald Rutledge
A Concerned Miniature Football Coach

Fellas,

I highly recommend both TTQB passing and Pass simulation(Burgess et.al) for leagues and tornaments. I work with my hands, fingers and eyes daily in the lab. My hand and eye coordination is good, but TTQB passing is still a long forgotten dream. In some situations it works for me. However, pass simulation allows me to even the playing field. TTQB passing takes great skill as far as I'm concerned and my skills are not making the curve! I need another passing mechanism that allows me, and the multitudes like me ,to attempt to stay competative. Practice some may say. I've lost more footballs than Tudor ever made in the past two years and I still can't find them. I putting down the sticks. If my boys get open, I can jet to the sticks and I'm gone!

P.S.
Pass simulation depends on how well you tweaked(Fast & Straight) your receivers, how fast the defense is, what kind of board your playing on and last but not least your ability to judge the distance and the situation. It also requires a certain amount of luck/skill.