Altenative To Sticks "what Do You Think'

[mantaraydre]

I RAN THIS BY A FEW COACHES AND THEY SEEM TO LIKE THE IDEA SO HEAR IT GOES. I think 'THE STICKS" are not liked by some because the measuring process is to slow which makes the game drag somewhat.

What if we took away the sticks and added the shake box with the 12 sided dice. COACH CALLS PASS "HAS 15 TO 20 SECS TO THROW'

1)BOARD STOPS (He has 5 seconds to pick an intended receiver, point to him saying his number)

2) he has 10 secs to shake the box and put the ball down. (ie; shakes box, if the 2 dice read a 7 and a 6, he can put the ball 13 yards anywhere on the field ahead of the intended receiver only and angle him to the ball. The defense gets 5 secs to angle only the db's or db's and lb's in the immediate vicinity. This will mimic the qb leading the intended receiver. If you visualize this happening in real time it moves very fast. same amount of time it takes to pass with the TDQ OR TTQB.

SO STOP BOARD, SURVEY FIELD, SHAKE BOX, PUT BALL DOWN, CUT BOARD ON. this will force the offense to make a very quick decision just like the pro qb's. You dont have time to tie your shoes and make a cup of coffee looking for a receiver
**** IF YOU DONT PICK A INTENDED RECEIVER IN 5 SECS YOU THREW IT INTO THE STANDS.

NOW IM JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE, IF SOMEONE CAN LOOK AT THS AND PERFECT THE TIMING BETTER THAN I CAN I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE JIMBO MOLD THIS INTO SOMETHING.

If you think using the sticks slows things up, should'nt this speed thing up.
Take into consideration there are coaches who have back and leg problems that can't hop up to there feet fast with a tdq or ttqb in hand. They can sit comfortably and know they have a passing option that won't slow things up for the other coach. Shake box, put ball down without leaving your feet. The only thing is you better have your count right in regards to yardage. Just focus on 10 yards then add or subtract. someone must determine what is underthrown and overthrown, (using 18yds or so as the furthest distance, if those dice come up 10 and 9, overthrown. 0 0 underthrown, 0 and a 1 the ball is a perfect pass that hit the receiver in the hand. I dont think anyone's receiver is going to miss the ball 1 yard away.

ps/ anywhere the amount of yardage on the field. If your receiver is in the middle of the field and you think he can win a track meet to either sideline to get the ball, put the ball over there. Remember, there going to be some db's in the vicinity so you must know that your wideout or running back is that kind of playmaker. "LETS CALL TOM BRADY AND ASK HIM HOW MUCH TIME HE HAD TO THROW IN THE SUPERBOWL!!! '

mantaray- dre

[HOOP]

my only frustration with the sticks was my man not running to the ball when the initial jolt of the board surged when it was turned back on. weighted bases would help that with these big boards. OR, make the sticks just a little shorter in distance to the ball.
and for the dice, for all i read about practice, practice, practice, and what i am practicing in getting ready for the BAM, gosh darnnitt if my game fate will be decided over a dice roll! they have games for that in select areas, not in the football arena. This rolling of the dice to determine injuries and other things i dont care too much for either, but i can get with it. but any form of random luck on EVERY pass attempt? Well you can start the whole debate of 'is this a toy, a game, a hobby, a craft, etc....'.
but what do i know?
I know. Andre, i love your questions on the board. Thought provoking, debatable, discussion worthy questions. your mind works wonders in this department as i find these questions creative as well. Keep em coming.

[NATIONAL]

That's funny, random luck on every pass attempt!!! I do like the dice for fumbles tho.

Nat'l

[Jim Davis]

i like it.

[Kansas Bill]

I wouldn't be for anything that puts the results of the play squarely in the hands of lady luck

And I've never had a passing game in the past..

(I will this upcoming season though.. heh)

[mantaraydre]

THE DICE ARE JUST TO MEASURE THE DISTANCE OF THE PASS "SO YOU DONT HAVE TO USE COLORED STICKS"

SAME AS THE STICKS BUT MUCH QUICKER. I ran this by one of the greatest passers of all times uncle don smith and he likes the idea. Im going to call him and have him explain this to those who dont understand yet.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING PEOPLE DONT LIKE MORE PEOPLE MUST GET OFF THERE ********** AND TRY TO CREATE THINGS AND NOT JUST SHOW UP WITH A TEAM IN A BOX. THAT'S WHY I COMMEND GENO ON CREATING THE GREAT "tdq". go out and get yours.

I WOULD LIKE THOSE WHO DONT LIKE THE STICKS TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW THEY HAVE HURT YOU IN THE PAST OR DO YOU THINK THEY MAY COST YOU A GAME. Remember, no matter how straight your receiver runs, somehow they seem to miss the ball alot during the game. it's harder than you think to have your receiver go and touch that ball. "A BASE CAN VEER LEFT OR RIGHT IN A SPLIT SECOND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MANTARAYDRE

[detroitchild]

...at trying to improve the game. At least you are opening up the discussion.

I happen to like the sticks although I'm having the same issues as Scott. I think weighted bases could help. I'm getting my routine down to where it does not take long for ball placement. The use of sticks (and I imagine dice) is not a gimmie. I quickly learned how to adjust defensively to counter sticks and make for a more exciting and fair play for both sides of the ball. As with the sticks I think the dice should at least be open to discussion.

Don

[HOOP]

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

THE DICE ARE JUST TO MEASURE THE DISTANCE OF THE PASS "SO YOU DONT HAVE TO USE COLORED STICKS"

SAME AS THE STICKS BUT MUCH QUICKER. I ran this by one of the greatest passers of all times uncle don smith and he likes the idea. Im going to call him and have him explain this to those who dont understand yet.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING PEOPLE DONT LIKE MORE PEOPLE MUST GET OFF THERE ********** AND TRY TO CREATE THINGS AND NOT JUST SHOW UP WITH A TEAM IN A BOX. THAT'S WHY I COMMEND GENO ON CREATING THE GREAT "tdq". go out and get yours.

I WOULD LIKE THOSE WHO DONT LIKE THE STICKS TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW THEY HAVE HURT YOU IN THE PAST OR DO YOU THINK THEY MAY COST YOU A GAME. Remember, no matter how straight your receiver runs, somehow they seem to miss the ball alot during the game. it's harder than you think to have your receiver go and touch that ball. "A BASE CAN VEER LEFT OR RIGHT IN A SPLIT SECOND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MANTARAYDRE

"What the HELL does random luck mean?"

Dont get all salty when someone (or me) doesnt agree with your idea Dre. it aint no biggie.
but since you asked - what i mean is if i have a guy who is within the 5 yard distance of a stick simulation pass (red), i dont want to roll your 7 and 6 and now make it a 13 yard pass which could place the ball near the defense. what do i do then, say never mind and throw it away wasting a down? when all i needed to do was complete my 5 yard dump to the wide open RB in the flat. OR, i dont want my opponent rolling snakeyes on a bluestick bomb where it will be easily completed, as opposed to having to jet 15 yard or so and beat out my defenders. Now whats wrong with that counter point?

and my argument (frustration rather) against the sticks was backed up by you and someone else- having the guys run to the ball and "catch it". how does rolling a double sixes, or any number, help with that problem?
however,
if i have it correct, your attempt is to speed up the game when using some form of pass simulation. AND THATS FINE. but i just said it doesnt solve the true problem of passing sticks. and for the most part, i havent had a problem with the speed of the sticks to point where i would want to change it. now if you and others want to try, that is straight cool with me. but you asked for feedback and you got it, so accept it!

Also, i have a healthy respect for Don. what with i have heard about him coupled with his kindness, encouragement and good words on the phone the few times we have spoken. but gotta say, so what the "uncle" Don SMith, one of the "GREATEST" passers of alltime likes the idea. does that mean we should all like it? The Great PrettyBoy thought my comment was funny (wasnt tryin to be), does that mean we should all laugh too? come on with that!

and as far as changing the game to improve it, i am all for it. but like you said, not everyone can play in the movie, some people have to go watch it.
so everyone does not have to rise up and make change in hobby when they dont like something. and many do make change, but just dont blast it on the board for all to fall in line and follow along.

but again, like i said in my first post, i do appreciate your thought provoking questions and they are good for discussion. Sincerely, keep them coming.

SCOTT