unity across

[broncoman]

as coaches and men we have talked about unity across the nation, well here is our chance. at miggle I soke with a lot of coaches about the weigh thing. some leagues want 4.0 and some want to stay at 3.2 or 3.3.
well let's look at it. in the BAMAblast you have pro's at 4.0 and college at3.2
SEAWALL BRAWL at 3.2 and the college series at 4.0. well unless you have plenty of time and money to build teams, you go.
next week LAEFL meets we are shooting for 3.5.
when this whole weigh thing got started DIRK AND REGGIE said let's go 3.2 while unlimited started at 4.0. so if we go 4.0 we are back weer we started and where does it stop. lot's of ways to look at this post, but for us to come together as one, we need to agree on one weigh so that we can have one team to play anywhere without worrying about weigh.
just my help trying to put this thing together.
if you want to contact me 702 217 6515



BRONCOMAN

[RPD]

Well Spoken

Let's just pump it up to an even, Steven...10.0 grams!!!! Then we can use the cake toppers and NOBODY feels left out. Just a thought.

[kotixblack]

Let it go Mike. You are a good man. You have been traveling and competing at the highest level in various tourneys, styles of play, and conventions for over 10 years now. You are one of the winningest coaches on the EF/MF circuit. Although you have not won a championship other than "Duel in the Desert", I think you are the top coach on the scene when it comes to winning pct., styles of play, and tourneys participated in. It can not be said about many...but it can definetly be said about you...Mike Turner is a great EF/MF player, who does not have a huge ego, and claim that he is the greatest to ever play the game. You actually show up to tourneys and play, not afraid that if you lose, that your legacy will be tarnished. After being in this for 10 years (at this level), I have determined that my time is too precious to waste on characters who will never change, or meet half way to bring the hobby together. My advice to you Mike is to let it go, and do your thing. The EGOS will never allow these guys to come together and do what is best for the hobby. We have made several attempts to reach out, but to no avail. We're getting older, not younger, but yet we keep facing the same old stale stuff...IT:S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY, I"M THE BEST EVER, BUT I DON"T & HAVENT COMPETED AGAINST ANOTHER HUMAN IN YEARS, BECAUSE I'M TOO GOOD, I DON'T PLAY BOILED, IF I CAN'T BEAT IT BAN IT, & NOW...3.2 -V- 4.0. Life is tooooooooo short for all of the nonsense. Mike...get down with your boys in the LAEFL, & PAC 10 (CBSMF), BUILD IT, AND THEY WILL COME...IF NOT...WHO NEEDS EM. Let them continue to bicker, argue, and divide...OH YEAH...and NOT do what we all say it is all about...CREATE LEAGUES, PLAY GAMES & HAVE FUN!

[Rock Solid]

I admire the customizers, the innovators, and the entrepreneurs who have introduced ways and formats to enhance this great game we play.
The guy who I think is forgotten is the one we really and truly need.

The guy who goes to the department store and sees a game, where only Miggle and Excalibur market on a national scale in stores.
He or She goes out and buys a game for their child, or husband who talked about it in his sleep . :-)

What they get is what is the standard in this hobby. No matter what is favored by what league or individual who sells or uses other styles.
The guy out of the box , if a census was taken of little men, is the vast majority of figures and game boards that iare out there to play with.

That being said , and is said as my humble opinion, it does not take anything away from the enhanced figures available or the incredible realistic styles of play that we know exist for those who enter the hobby.

I think the game is purchased as a toy for the most part. Unfortunately like toy soldiers or slot cars. The companies that sell them on the national market did not elaborate the hobby aspect until Mike and Delayne decided to put the dvd in their sets for Miggle. But even that does not introduce the buyer into enhanced players that are available. They only can find them on the internet where we are the most popular site for the hobby.
Without Buzzball, FF.com, and of course Miggles forum and events we would be a scattered bunch without cause.

MFCA membership gives cause to keeping the flame burning and a place to see how this game , purchased by most as a toy, is REALLY a great hobby to be involved in both for the child and the Adult.
I know how we really are big kids acting as adults , most apparent during tournaments and league games. Heck, that is sort of why a lot of us play.

I think if we had a rule set to offer the guy out of the box so he did not have to invest another dime to get a view of how much fun this game really is, we would be doing our hobby a great service.

The problem that seems to arise is the us vs. them discussions.
If I were the guy out of the box, I would be confused, turned off, and would feel like I were not even on the same page. This is like the exact opposite of the intention of most who post their favoritism for a particular format.

The MFCA does not want to endorse any particular rule set but to expand the awareness of the different aspects of our hobby that are available.
If we had an out of the box set of suggested rules and simple ideas to enhance the game for , lets say the guy who is looking at the excalabur game right now and sort of thinks that this is just like when he was a kid. He lines them up ,and whats up with that square dancing the guys are always doing ? They always go where they want to go, not where the guy intended them to go, and that is soon to be the attic or basement or garage sale.

Just a thought. That guy would have to go on the internet and find us in the first place. What he finds will determine if his mind is turned on or turned off to what fun this can be is he can just figure out how to get those darn guys to do what he wants. If he can do that, he will surely want to expand his horizons and then be better informed on what is being talked about on this forum.
For most out of the box guys, we are way over their heads.

I think in fishing for larger fish, you often fish for bait first.
And for those who have invested in the great innovations, boards, men, bases, you will then create a larger market for your wares. Those involved in leagues, more interested coaches who will want to be a part of this.

Just thoughts when I should be working on my job!

RS

[Coach Rip]

well put....

[mozeek]

Very well put.....

I think The MFCA has us on OUR way to possibly UNIFYING this hobby but it is up to "US" to make it happen...We have so many GREAT MINDS IN THIS HOBBY......"ONE DAY MAYBE WE CAN ALL BURY THE HATCHET"...... AND LET THE "TOY" DO THE TALKING....

I HAVE PUT "THE MAN LAW" DISCUSSED AT THE BRAWL LAST YEAR INTO PLAY AND HOPEFULLY IRONED OUT ANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT I MIGHT HAVE HAD AND I STILL HAVE ONE CALL TO MAKE OUT TO ILLINOIS AND THEN I WILL BE DONE......

LETS PUT OUR DIFFERENCES ASIDE AND TAKE THIS HOBBY TO THE NEXT LEVEL........THE MFCA CONVENTION COULD BE THAT "ALL STYLES UNDER ONE ROOF" EVENT THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR........

[mantaraydre]

coaches


I agree with broncoman and kotixblack 100 katrillion percent on this topic. It is very annoying to hear someone say "were playing 3.2 ". here is why,
The world has changed wether you want it to or not. coaches around the country have adopted the 4.0 weight class as there play of choice. coaches DO NOT HAVE the disposable income to keep ping ponging between 3.2 and 4.0 when they want to play in a league or tourney. Someone could have a 4.0 team ready to play and an upcoming tourney requires them to play at 3.2. NOW THEY MUST CREATE AN ENTIRE NEW TEAM TO PLAY IN A TOURNAMENT FOR 2 DAYS. Do you know how costly it is to have someone make your team. Do you know how much work it is to make your own team. WE DO NOT HAVE TO PLAY BY THE SAME RULES BUT I THINK A STANDARD WEIGHT COULD ALLEVIATE SOME HEADACHES IN MAKING YOUR TEAM. " WHAT ABOUT MAKING YOUR TEAM 4.0 AS THE MAX. MAKE ANY PLAYER YOU WANT UP TO 4.0. WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE ACROSS THE BOARD, IF YOU MAKE YOUR LINEMAN 3.2,3.5,3.7 (THATS ON YOU) " you knew the weight was dangerous when you took the job"

The reluctance of one person can affect the decision of 30 coaches. You can have 30 coaches saying yeah were going to play 4.0. But if the league commisioner or tourney head say no, we play 3.2 here, that puts a damper on coaches who want to play in your tourney. 4.0 has been around for many years and it is here to stay. It should be the weight cap because so many have been playing at this weight for years. coaches are bumping there miggle big men, buzzball figures and haiti repro's up to 4.0. So it's not based on one paticular set of figures. The notion to have coaches cut, drill, shave etc etc there players to get to a paticular weight is ridiculous. When you can stick a nut or bolt under the base. COACHES JUST LIKE THE FEEL OF THE HEAVIER PLAYER.

If you are still hell bent on playing 3.2 then it sounds like you are not willing to conform with todays world. 3.2 is so 15 years ago. If you have 20 coaches wanting to move up in weight and you dont, it sounds personal. It sounds like you have your 3.2 teams ready to your liking and you WILL NOT CHANGE THEM FOR ANYONE. Like kotixblack said, it turns into a my way or the highway mentality. WHAT YOU DONT REALIZE IS YOU JUST TOLD 20 COACHES TO TAKE THE HIGHWAY.

Please understand, IT'S A DIFERENT WORLD RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND. 15 YEARS AGO, how many people did you see walking down the street with cell phones, how mny people did you see zipping past you on the highway in a SUV. VERY SOON YOU MUST CONVERT YOUR TELEVISION OVER TO DIGITAL, (EVERY HOUSEHOLD). No one is saying get rid of 3.2 but you must incorporate heavier figures to go WITH TODAY'S TIMES. COACHES WONT ADMIT IT BUT THIS PING PONGING WEIGHTS IS VERY TIRING AND UNNECESARY. What is the big deal in bumping your player up a few grams if you want. Broncoman is right in wanting unity in the weight class. Coaches like the feel and performance of a 4.0 fig when you guys turn the boards up so high. I fell both weights should accomadate the hobby as a whole. Not say no to one because you personally like the other.

TIL THIS VERY DAY, NO ONE HAS GIVEN ME A VALID REASON WHY THEY WILL NOT GO PAST 3.2. YOU CAN'T USE FIELD PERFORMANCE BECAUSE I SAW BOTH LIVE IN THE FLESH. "THE RUN PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME.

REMEBER, ONE OR TWO GUY'S REFUSAL TO MOVE UP IN WEIGHT ONLY WILL CLOSE THE DOOR IN THE FACES OF MANY WHO LIKE BOTH.


ATT WEIRDWOLF AND JIMBO, WHAT IS THAT WEIGHT CLASS BREAKDOWN YOU GUY'S POSTED AT ONE POINT, THEY WERE VERY SIMILAR. CHECK OUT WOLF'S mfca COACHES CHALLENGE WEIGHT BREAKDOWN.

I AM NOT GETTING ON ANYONE, IT JUST BOTHERS ME WHEN BOTH ARE NOT ALLOWED ON A TEAM.

*** WHY DOES A COACH HAVE TO SAY, "I HAVE A 3.2 TEAM" OR "I HAVE A 4.0 TEAM", WHEN HE CAN SIMPLY SAY (I HAVE A TEAM)

MANTARAYDRE

[WEIRDWOLF]

So are we as an association of 200 members ready to set a standard that essentially will be the definition of what miniature football is? That is what we are really creating. Once we set that standard anything else becomes something other than miniature football.

Here is what we have currently.
The MFCA defines Miniature Football as: Miniature football players on bases which are propelled over a miniature football field through the vibration created by an attached electric motor.

Now, we take this and layout size specifications and define classes. If we can we do this without chopping each others heads off in a open discussion then let's begin.

Maximum heigth from floor to top of helmet is....?
How many divisions and reasons for why these should exist?
3.3 and under
4.0 and under
4.1 and over
What do we name these divisions.

Here is a start....let's hear the discussion.

[Electric Coach]

There is the Buzzball tournament, Miggle tournament, Sea Wall Brawl tournament, and others. Correct me if I am wrong. There is no MFCA tournament. Given the number of members here at the MFCA. There are enough coaches here to create several leagues within the MFCA.

Allow me to imagine. Let’s say the MFCA formed 4 leagues made up of 128 coaches. Each league would be comprised of 32 teams. Each league will play at varied weights. An example would be league A would be 3.2g. League B would be 3.4g and so on. The rule set would be the same among all of the leagues. Although there are more than 128 coaches in the MFCA, I used 128 coaches as an example.

I think this would be a good approach to establishing leagues that can in some way accommodate coaches who want to play at a certain weight. The first year coach Joe Schmuckatelly might want to play at 3.2g; therefore, he will play in league A.

All of the leagues will play at the same time. At the end of the tournament, there will be four champions; one from each league. If you want, you can have playoffs among those champion coaches who will play at a specific weight, which would be announced before the regular season tournaments started. That may mean coaches would have to prepare two teams to compete; one for their specific league and one for the playoffs. Or the playoffs could be played at a later date. This would allow time for a coach to prepare a team for the playoffs.

Maurice

The Electric Coach