DIPLOMATIC TACKLING !!!! CAN WE TALK ?

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,

Can we talk tackling in a diplomatic fashion. I would to hear many thoughts on this. I was prompted to write this beause i read somewhere(can't rememeber where) that some coaches are not good at F.O.B.( Front of base tackling).

***please explain what in the world does that mean !!!!!

ARE YOU SENDING YOUR DEFENSIVE PLAYERS ON THE RIGHT ANGLE TO CLOSE THE GAP AND MAKE THE TACKLE ?

It all depends on the distance your defender has to travel to make that tackle when you angle him. I was told in a certain league, some coaches would angle there defender exactly at the offensive player when the board is stopped during player adjustments, and the defender was a decent distance away. Well, that offensive is not going to be in that area when the board is turned back on, so why angle him there. I know the reason, some coaches feel there base are fast enough to hurry and make that tackle. But many times end up getting burned. ESPECIALLY AFTER A RECEIVER CATCHES A PASS IN THE OPEN FIELD.

In pro football and college, they spend alot of time on angle tackling. You hear announcers say many times, " oh, he took a bad angle and could not make they play". No matter what the distance, you must always think,
HEAD HIM OFF AT THE PAST !!! Like a stalker boxer trying to slow down a dancing boxer. CUT THE RING OFF SO THERE IS A SMALLER AREA TO FIGHT IN. DONT CHASE HIM AROUND THE RING.

same thing in football, ANGLE WHERE YOU FEEL THE OFFENSIVE PLAYER IS GOING TO END UP ACCORDING TO THE SPEED OF YOUR DEFENSIVE PLAYER.

SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE :
We as a whole must begin to honor the broken tackle. There are only a zillion broken tackles during any football game because, that's football. There is nothing more annoying when a running backk is breaking through the line about to break one into the open field and a THE SIDE OF A DEFENDERS BASE GRAZES AGAINST THE RUNNING BACKS BASE AND WE CALL IT A TACKLE. That is not no tackle, THAT IS A BROKEN TACKLE. if it was the side of the defenders base, THE DEFENDERS WAS NOT EVEN LOOKING AT HIM. He was not squared up to make a tackle. He just happended to bump into him during the evening rushour.

Another scenario is when the offensive player runs into the back of the defensive player and we say thats a tackle. NO IT IS NOT. once again, the defender was facing/looking at the offensive player. THE OFFENSIVE PLAYER JUST HAPPENDED TO RUN UP BACK AND RAN HIM OVER. The board and play should continue on until the offensive player either breaks free or is REALLY TACKLED.

WHY HONOR THE BROKEN TACKLE :

1)To increase more exciting plays (Running backs breaking free for bigger gains)

2)To increase honorable stats. (It's time to see 1000 yard rushers across the country)

***ABC ( ANY BASE TACKLING) is similar to TOUCH football. Any initial touch and the play is over. Also, it is like quarterback play of today. Just grab him and the play is over. In all of football, you are taught to square up your shoulders and make the right tackle. I think they teach this to kids in sandlot/peewee football also. There are some coaches on this chatboard who coach outside of miniature football. Maybe they can explain/verify this. But for the miniature football coach. THE SQUARING UP OF SHOULDERS SHOULD BE THE FRONT OF THE BASE.

**The front of the base is that players eyes and shoulders in regards to FACING that offensive player to make the appropriate tackle. Three forms of square up tackling.

1) THE ENTIRE FRONT OFTHE BASE
This is a direct full contact tackle with both arms. Similar to a ray lewis swarm and take down.

2) THE FRONT LEFT CORNER OF THE BASE.
This will resemble a shoestring tackle similar to grabbing and ankle tripping up the offensive player. or grabbing a piece of his jersey to slow him up until you can get a good hold of him. ( NOT GRAZING WITH THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BASE WHERE THEY PLAYERS ARE SIDE BY SIDE. BUT ON A SLIGHT NOTICEABLE ANGLE FACING THE OFFENSIVE PLAYER.) If there is any question on the tackle, just look at the defensive player. Is he side by side, or angled in slightly towards the o-player.

3)THE FRONT RIGHT CORNER OF THE BASE
This will resemble a strong grip jersey pull down. ( ALL THE SAME APPLICATIONS AS # 2)


**THESE PLAYERS CAN'T SHUFFLE THERE FEET AND PUT A JUKE ON SOMEONE, BUT THEY CAN BREAK A TACKLE if we let them.

***WHAT LEAGUE'S ACROSS THE COUNTRY PLAYS FRONT OF BASE TACKLING.

***I honestly think many backs can rush for 1000 yards in a eight to ten game season around the league.


SOLITAIRE COACHES, The broken tackle will make your games more exciting !!!

THANX
MANTARAYDRE

[The Rookie]

Dre

I do not agree with you on this point.

I watched many football games today and saw many tackles where the defensive player made tackles not head on from the side .

I saw one runner run into the line and was tackled by his on lineman.

I saw a defensive player tackle a RB with his BACK!!

It happens, I could care less what people want to do in there leagues or tourniments that is there decision.

Just let me know before i play.

Just my thoughts

[mantaraydre]

just remember these figures can't twist their arms !!!

Did you read the

2) Front left corner of the base ?

3) Front right corner of the base ?




MANTARAYDRE

[The Rookie]

No I did not read all of your post .

I see more problems with looking for the front corners .

It seems to hard to get good refs who pay attention before this little hits

[Norbert Revels]

The greatlakes league has used FOB for the last 6 or 7 years now.

Norbert Revels

[5-13 Studios]

mid-ohio does fob (including front corners) on runs for the first 10 yards from scrimmage, then it is any touch after 10 yds. It is any touch always on qb runs, pass plays and special teams.

[Norbert Revels]

You don't have to stack on defense to stop the run at all when using FOB, as electric coach states, know your team and train them, I run 4-3's, 3-4's and 2-2's, as do others here.

P.S. In some leagues where they play anytouch, you can stack.




Norbert Revels

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,


This is from a book in regards to linebacker tackling.


A linebacker must adhere the fundamentals critical to proper tackling. As he approaches the ball carrier, he must lower his hip, come to a balanced position, and keep his head up, drive his helmet across the front of the ballcarriers numbers, wrap up with both hands and grab cloth. He must run through the ball carrier, keeping his feet moving until the ballcarrier is on the ground. A perfect tackle is rare, but linebackers must learn the fundamentals of proper tackling so they make individual tackles WITHOUT THE HELP FROM THE REST OF THE DEFENSE.
***How do we translate that on the miniature football circuit. LIKE ELECTRIC COACH SAID, "YOU MUST KNOW YOUR TEAM "


**WITH THAT SAID, COACHES WHO PRACTICE ALOT
How does an upcoming coach get to know his team properly ? So they can tackle the right way.

[mantaraydre]

Coaches,

ONCE AGAIN FROM A BOOK

In regards to the inside linebacker :

An inside linebacker covering a remaining back must learn to cover the swing pass.The reality is the linebacker covering the swing will not be able to prevent the completion.The best defense against the swing pass for the linebackers to take the proper angle, come to balance, square up and make the tackle.on the back after he catches the ball and before he can get upfield. He must not overrun the back. If his angle to the back is too flat, he will run past the back. If his angle is too sharp, he will not be able to contain the back after the catch, and the back will head for the sideline.

*** BEFORE I GO ON, DOC SMEBY SAID, "one of the best offensive weapons is to throw to the backs coming out of the backfield "

Why, due to today's looper happy coaches, THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPEN AREA WHERE THE LOOPER USED TO BE. He is not in his area anymore because HE BLITZED. 6 to 8 yards gained each time. In the shootout system, you can destroy folks all day throwing to the backs. See don't the looping stop. ALSO, IT'S A CLOSER HIGH PERCENTAGE MAKABLE PASS.

BACK TO THE TACKLING.

My question for you tweakers is, Do you think you should scrap having strong linebackers and just make them super suoer fast. because in todays society with TURN AND BURN, AFTER 10 YARDS YOU CAN SEND PLAYERS INTO PURSUIT, SEND PLAYERS AFTER RECIVERS AND RB'S AFTER A CATCH.
Should your linebackers be super fast to cover one side of the field ro the other, TAKING THE PROPER ANGLES.

Should you tweak your defensive line extra strong to compensate what you are giving up in linebacking. I think a smart move is to have two sets of lb's. During the cousre of the game you will notice if your getting blown away by the o-line. Then you must find added strength. But if your defensive line is handling things quite well on there own, Then you have the freedom to play those fast linebackers for the ultimate defense.

YOU TWEAK MASTERS KNOW BETTER THAN I DO SO GIVE US YOUR WISDOM.
Remember, PROLINES CHANGED THE GAME AND EVENED THE PLAYING SURFACE SOMEWHAT.

DIPLOMATIC !!!!!!!!

THANX
MANTARAYDRE

[mantaraydre]

COACH B-CARTER

Your 100% right, it is annoying when your runner brushes up against a defenders base going through the line. The play should not stop there. i think a linebacker has to come up and make the hit or the runner will head into the open. Because how many times has a defender tried to grab a ball carrier coming through the line and the runner tears past him because the lineman did not have the right grip or angle.same thing applies here. Also, while the lineman are dancing, one just happens to spin and the back of his base hit the runner. C'MON, YOU CAN'T STOP THE BOARD THERE.

Thanx
Mantaraydre