Working on a new system; What do you think??

[efgamer]

Hey, I am developing a new system for electric football. It actually speeds up the game greatly. It also adds a touch of realism to the game. I know most leagues allow the offense to either audible/ and, or pivot and then the defense is allowed to pivot. Instead of this being a seperate step by each opponent, I am incorporating the offensive and defensive pivots simultaneoustly. At the instant the offensive says hut or stop, all pivoting is ended, and then the play begins. This type of play makes the offense audible and pivot very quickly to gain an advantage or out number the defense scheme wise. The defense must react to the offense instantly in order to counter. Of course, there are some pivoting guidelines that the offense must follow. After this procedure the play develops as in any rule set. I have found this to be the most exciting type of play! Coaches, give me some feedback and ask any questions! I have also developed a new way of passing with the ttqb that I think is original, (not sure though) that allows DB play on the ball. Thanks

[HOOP]

One thing i like about this idea is it allows the DEFENSE to force their game plan easier. Right now, for the most part, pre snap audibles are along the lines of read and react - O pivots, Defense counter Pivots to match. Mostly, Defense is just following and matching the Offense.
In your style, with both coaches pivoting at the same time, the Defense has a chance to make a big play with a pass or run blitz that is not picked up by the Offense. Should you move a wr from the left to the right, instead of the usual counter move of bringing my corner over, i leave the corner on that side and bring him into blitz mode. No one is there to pick him up if you thought he would follow the wr to the other side. The same could be done with LB's and safeties who are brought into the box - now, unexpectedly.

I like your idea alot. SOme kinks to work out, or further explanation on how it works, but i like it whole lot. Would love to hear more.

[kingATL]

I like this rule I will ask my coaches about this for our pro league next season . It make sense to pivot at the same time. My question is we use a presnap and then pivote all unengaged players. Would this rule take out that type off play system.

[efgamer]

Thanks for your comments! I have used this with a snap rule and it works just fine. The only thing yu would be missing with the snap is the offensive backfield shift as in the Texas Shootout rules. I like the offense to be able to shift into a formation and then pivot. Actually the defense can respond in any desired way, but if the offense says hut (signal), the defense is locked into their position or pivot. The offense can then run their play. Their are numerous offensive/defensive manuevers you can do. You can play the game just like real football.

[Vince148]

Wouldn't it be easier to just impliment a timing system? Say after both teams have their initial set ups and "set" is called, the teams would then have 5 seconds (?) for pre snap adjustments otherwise the offense coach could delay calling "hut" until he sees a defense set up he can take advantage of.

[Orleanian In Exile]

You can solve that problem by imposing, as in real life football, a 30-second clock (or for MF cut the limit down to 15 seconds) and a delay of game penalty for excessive readjustment. There would also be a risk of drawing an illegal formation penalty if the offensive coach makes a mistake in his adjustments. This scheme actually increases the pressure-level on the field and forces a coach to think on his feet.

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by efgamer

Thanks for your comments! I have used this with a snap rule and it works just fine. The only thing yu would be missing with the snap is the offensive backfield shift as in the Texas Shootout rules. I like the offense to be able to shift into a formation and then pivot. Actually the defense can respond in any desired way, but if the offense says hut (signal), the defense is locked into their position or pivot. The offense can then run their play. Their are numerous offensive/defensive manuevers you can do. You can play the game just like real football.

What you are basicly saying is that A) offense can make an adjustment(s) and the defense is doing the same thing until (B) the offense says "HUT" then the defense must stop and the board is turned on....

interesting concept ....

[HOOP]

That pretty much sounds like it. But i am sure there are some minor details and rules involved. Like.......

What is the time limit from initial set up to calling "HUT"?

Can you pick up a man and move him anywhere, lets say a wr from one end of the field to the other?

Can you move guys with both hands, therebye perhaps, trying to race the D coach to a spot or confuse him with moves?

Once a player is moved, can he be moved again?

I know we are not kids and some of this might sound ridiculous, but i do know that in the heat of the moment and with a game on the line, some cats like to take advantage or pull out cheap tricks that undermine the integrity of game, so i was wondering if there were any rules to limit or govern all of this the same for equal and fun play.

[efgamer]

Coaches, this system allows the offense to shift just as in the NFL. Of course, you can just set your men up and simply pivot and run your play. Shifting players and putting a man in motion creates the beauty of this type of play. I do use a timer for the offense and defense on each play. The simultaneous pivoting by the offense and defense is included in the elasped time. This way of play is very easy. It is simply played as actual football with no limits or rules as to how many men can be pivoted or spacing requirements, etc. I will play electric football by any rules, but just taking turns pivoting after each other is simply like playing chess. Now, on pass completions, of course defensive DB pivoting takes place. This way of play is so much faster and exciting than the traditional way. I would be glad to talk to any coaches who would like a better explantion of this style of play. I have what I think to be one of the better ttqb style of passing out there! Just pm me if you would like my phone# and we could talk! I'm not trying to push this on anybody, but I think growth and change to electric football is exciting, and I am just using my imagination to help enhance electric football. Thanks

[the french guy]

If I understand correctly, you play like that :

1 offense formation deployement

2 Defense formation deployement

3 simultaneous D and O players pivots or shifts ("shifts" are players movement on the field, am I right ?) before a (30s ?) time limit "like the real thing"

4 Offense gives a stop signal ("hut", or "stop") before the time limit : both O and D stops pivot

5 board is switched ON to resolve the play

Is that right ?

I'm still letting this roll around in my head but my initial comment would be that this is unfair to the defense. I could quickly rearrange my offensive players and yell "hut" before the opposing coach could adjust

Perhaps a simple and easy solution should be to allow the defense a last move and/or pivot after the "hut" signal. So it should be less easy for the offense to "cut off" the defense action.

Or something similar : after the signal, the defense should be allowed to shift or angle a single player, then the offense can pivot (and only angle) one player.


Last idea more "exotic" : You can also add a "touched is played" rule, like in Chess : once you touched a fig, you must move it. But it maybe difficult to marshall without a referee.

Any shift must occur first. Any man in motion must occur second, if the offense elects to shift. Pivots are last. Any player placed down in a pivoted or slanted direction during a shift must remain in that position. At this time we are letting the defense adjust with 2 hands(might change).

The defense can adjust any man or place any man in any direction. The defense may adjust or pivot the same man again. This helps balance the play.

Man in motion rule: A)Only 1 man may move from the backfield to outside the tackle box, or B) 1 man may move (flanker, or TE as a flanker) from outside the tackle box into the backfield, as for power formations. Let me stress that you must be quick and smooth when placing your players.

that's look a little complex to follow and marshall, on a silmutaneous play, without an external referee :o

The difficulty I see here is that I will have to follow my opponent moves to see if he's doing legal moves, and simultaneously I 'll have to think about my own game strategy...