The Usage Of Al Reveena's Spring Leg Kickers In Tourney's) Why Are Their Handcuff's

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,


Why are their handcuff's on the usage of al reveena's spring leg kickers in tourney's or just period ? If he offers them to everyone, isn't it up to you the coaches, to try and build the best team possible ! Also, boat bases and any other kind of base, if you can find it, why cant we use it. Isn't that part of scouting to build the best team. Did the patriots say you cant send the fridge perry into the lineup as a rb to score a td in the superbowl. The great smitty ravens is right, the mpfl will be the future style of play. The multi stops allow you to develop plays instead of waiting for plays to develop.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE HANDCUFF'S YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIFTED.

I said this a million times, the entire weight issue has to give somewhere. Like in the nfl, dont they see to it that their lineman are big and strong and weigh what they weigh. You dont see a rule where a lineman has to have a max weight of 250lbs, anything over they cant play. All im am saying is, let us build what we have to build and do what we have to do. If your a coach that comes to a game with lineman at 3.3 per say, and the other coaches line is 4.5, then shame on you for not realizing your line should be stronger.


Back to the kickers, it's great that their is a guy who can fix a kicker to work beautifully that everyone has access to, as opposed to fumbling around with 4 to 5 kickers to get one that works. If BASE TWEAKING IS SO ALLOWED, let the KICKERS be tweaked also. THE SAME CAN GO FOR THE TTCQB THROWING ARM, if their is a way to get better zip on the ball then what's the big deal.

LET US PUT A BALL TEAM TOGETHER AND STOP WITH THESE MICKEY MOUSE LITTLE ROAD BLOCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE OCEAN IS ANGRY MY FRIEND, ANGRY I TELL YA

It's not going to be pleasant in " IN THE DARTS OF TEXAS"

[childslovegame]

Dre'

I too don't understand people's fears in banning certain figures, bases, and weights. Al recorded an entire segment on how to create the Spring Loaded Kicker. It's coming out on our DVD. As a matter of fact, the very first TTQ made by Tudor was spring loaded. Check out the 1962 Model #500 set.

People are getting tired of someone eles telling them what they can and can't play with! I understand there needs to be uniformaty, but stunting someone' creativity can push some people away from the hobby.

What if someone came up with a method to make the bases stronger and faster without tweaking or boiling, would they be allowed to play in tournaments and leagues? Probably not! I know a guy who's been on the fringe of this hobby for years because no one will allow him to play with his bases. He came up with an idea to make his bases stronger by examming Tudor's very first toy bases. If you put a boiled or tweaked base up to his, no contest; not even close. He's gonna to blow you out! He has the strongest line in Electric Football and no body will let him play! They think he has an unfair advantage. Why do rules in this hobby try to make everybody the same or attempt to create a "Level Playing Field." Football is Football. As a coach or an organization, I'm trying to get the upper hand, not get them tied by somebody eles rules.

Remember how you played this game when you were a kid? Creativity and fun!
That is the spark that draws guys back into this hobby! You remembered, and you found out that you can relive those childhood memories as a matured adult, still able to use your creativity in creating figures, painting, and playing.

I really believe that's one of the reasons why we don't see the brothers from the West Coast. We stunt their creativity, but the real reason is that we are afraid that they may have something that may be more superior. And if they do, you play them until you figure out how to stop them!

In 40 years, this game has not changed in how it's played! Maybe that's why we can't get the attention of the younger generation. This is a visual, tactile generation, and we can't get them to play Electric Football? You want them to buy a ton of bases and TTQ's just to find a jem! They are not going to do that!

Smitty
BMEFA

[5-13 Studios]

...exactly!

[WEIRDWOLF]

I thought Al liked wearing handcuffs.

I know the MFCA rules for skills competitions do not allow any additions to the kicker. That's how we set it up for this year because we needed a starting point. But since the MFCA is owned by the coaches these rules can be changed by a vote.

Because of timing and fairness to all who have already prepared or are preparing and with competitions near at hand we will complete the seven 2007 regionals and national competitions with the rules we have currently. As soon as this years regionals are completed the regional reps will submit changes they would like to see to the skills rules sets and these will be voted on by the reps and then placed before the membership for approval.

I personally have a spring kicker built from Al's directions. I've never used it in any competitions.

This will be an intersting discussion!

[Geno H]

I am VERY interested in allowing new products in. Kickers,QB's,figures.........

The subject on the weight issue seems quite simple to me.

#1. 4.0 OL & DL
#2 3.5 TE LB
#3 3.2 WR QB RB DB

In this format you would end up with mismatches as you do in real football. IE 3.2 RB blocking 3.5 LB

Just some thoughts

Geno H

[RavennaAl]

Weirdwolfs right, I don't mind handcuffs. It's that dang cattle prod that I don't like, it leaves marks!

But back to the discussion at hand. I would love to see open competition for kickers. The post is still up at Miggle, ball point pens are everywhere. So what's the problem??? Why is it fair to change a base any way you want, but not a TTQB? I still don't understand why there has to be so many rules. If you want to play 3.2, then make it so that you can do anything to the player and base that you want, as long as the total is 3.2 or less. I haven't done a full experiment yet, but I doubt that there would be much difference between weighing down a figure by adding weight under the base, or adding multiple layers of clearcoat to the man. Either way you look at it, you're adding weight!

As far as kickers go, you can add a spring to make him kick farther, but you still have to be able to aim the guy. The spring just makes him more consistant and durable. Viva le spring!!!!!

[Richard Todd was God]

We used kickers with the old pen springs attached around there leg, about 30 years ago its the only way these guys would hit a FG beyond 20 yards . Is that disallowed, thats crazy.

[Anthony D Burgess]

This is the 100% truth !!!! And I think is one of the reasons why the game went into the closet .

Originally Posted by childslovegame

Dre'

I too don't understand people's fears in banning certain figures, bases, and weights. Al recorded an entire segment on how to create the Spring Loaded Kicker. It's coming out on our DVD. As a matter of fact, the very first TTQ made by Tudor was spring loaded. Check out the 1962 Model #500 set.

People are getting tired of someone eles telling them what they can and can't play with! I understand there needs to be uniformaty, but stunting someone' creativity can push some people away from the hobby.

What if someone came up with a method to make the bases stronger and faster without tweaking or boiling, would they be allowed to play in tournaments and leagues? Probably not! I know a guy who's been on the fringe of this hobby for years because no one will allow him to play with his bases. He came up with an idea to make his bases stronger by examming Tudor's very first toy bases. If you put a boiled or tweaked base up to his, no contest; not even close. He's gonna to blow you out! He has the strongest line in Electric Football and no body will let him play! They think he has an unfair advantage. Why do rules in this hobby try to make everybody the same or attempt to create a "Level Playing Field." Football is Football. As a coach or an organization, I'm trying to get the upper hand, not get them tied by somebody eles rules.

Remember how you played this game when you were a kid? Creativity and fun!
That is the spark that draws guys back into this hobby! You remembered, and you found out that you can relive those childhood memories as a matured adult, still able to use your creativity in creating figures, painting, and playing.

I really believe that's one of the reasons why we don't see the brothers from the West Coast. We stunt their creativity, but the real reason is that we are afraid that they may have something that may be more superior. And if they do, you play them until you figure out how to stop them!

In 40 years, this game has not changed in how it's played! Maybe that's why we can't get the attention of the younger generation. This is a visual, tactile generation, and we can't get them to play Electric Football? You want them to buy a ton of bases and TTQ's just to find a jem! They are not going to do that!

Smitty
BMEFA

[Coach K-LO]

[quote=childslovegame;11193]
What if someone came up with a method to make the bases stronger and faster without tweaking or boiling, would they be allowed to play in tournaments and leagues? Probably not! I know a guy who's been on the fringe of this hobby for years because no one will allow him to play with his bases. He came up with an idea to make his bases stronger by examming Tudor's very first toy bases. If you put a boiled or tweaked base up to his, no contest; not even close. He's gonna to blow you out! He has the strongest line in Electric Football and no body will let him play! "

Smitty, give his name and number, I need some of that talent on my team!!!

As for the topic at hand, We all know that the last item to be upgraded is the TTQB/Kicker. The fact that for me, it took a long time for me to be able to understand how to pass with it. But once I learned the skill, it was easy to teach others. Kicking was not that hard, but once the plant-leg was hurt well he was no longer a good kicker.

I pickup enough of Al's kickers to have everyone in my league to have one, if they wanted, to make it a non rule issue. Most of the guys choose NOT to get one but they were allowed. It did not improve the kicking game because (1) nobody kicks FG's; (2) PAT were basicly automatic because there was no rush on the kicker;(3) going for 2pt.

Now as for weight of players -

I like the idea of different weight for different positions on the field. Seems like a logical thing to do. Thanks for the break downs guys, but if you look at the current way we do figures now, the concept that RR mentions could already be in place.
Most figures out the bag DO NOT WEIGH 2.0. we build them up to that point or trim them down to that size. Because it was the standard that was agreed upon once we (old EF-heads) began sharing experiences in the 1990's.

We could put DB on rookie bases instead of TTc bases and that would keep them in the 2.5-2.9 range. However, not a winning formula for some.

Just like guys who love FOB or ATT, they have their reasons for playing that way. I love FOB because you have to build your team to make football plays. You actually have to shed a block and make a tackle. It allows the ball carrier some 'break-away' abillity. You might get killed of you ran a 2-man line, etc. However, not everyone plays this way which is not a bad thing just making a point.

in the slotted weight idea, it may work out early one, but it requires everyone to buy into the concept. I am sure down the line, a Lavon Kirkland will pop up on defense (4.0 LB) or a William Perry in the backfield because it gets back to winning at that point - that is another reason why we play, right??

I don't play weighted because I don't want to spend the extra time on building that type of team. Not to say I can't, I just don't wan to spead extra time building my squad ....

[WEIRDWOLF]

For the new guys:
FOB-Front Of base tackling
ATT- Any Touch Tackling

Decal Master, we need that glossary asap....