The Reason for Pass Simulation (stick passing)

Before the whole passing stick thing gets out of hand i'd like to explain the purpose.

One. For all coaches who are saying that pass simulation is for people that can't pass with a TTQB, your point is incorrect. The idea of pass simulation is to mimic the football action of a reciever running through the defense from the spot where he is to the spot where the pass is being thrown. It gives the defense a chance to make a play on the football which is not really given in TTQB only passing.

What coaches have to understand is that there are a variety of methods for moving the football in the passing game. A bullet pass is what I would consider a TTQB pass, while a lead the receiver pass is the pass simulation or passing stick method. That is it. No reason to debate one over the other. The stick passing system has been assimilated into virtually ALL leagues and is here to stay.

The passing simulation method was designed for multi-stop MPFL football and is best used in that system. I can see why some of the one-stop pitch or pass coaches would see this as a problem as most of the players are generally rushing forward on defense and have limited ability to move or adjust their angles, pursuit, ect. Making it easier to complete a pass spells doom in that style of play so point taken.

I'd encourage all coaches to continue with the awesome innovations that are currently pushing the game of EF / MF forward rather than keeping it back with traditions that limit the options of the player. The goal that we in the MPFL share is to have this game to play as close to real NFL football as possible. That concept introduces dramatic changes and revisions to the game from the board size, to the timing of the quarters, to the enforcement of the penalties, to the xs and os of the game. In this case, we are moving toward a more realistic chess match with regard to options for passing the football. TTQB, and Pass Simulation. The option is up to the coach and varies greatly according to the situation. For example, if you are an accurate TTQB passer throwing inside the 15 yd line, it is a good look to use the TTQB to bullet the pass through the coverage. Catch...and TD. In situations where you are trailing late in the game, you'll want to throw deeper passes. Lob it up and let the WR go and get it. The defense also gets a chance to move for in for the interception.

Attempts to stymie coaches by saying that stick passing is unskilled or easy in some way is to show a lack of understanding of how the game is currently played and the options that are available in the new EF.

If you guys aren't careful, you're going to end up in my next "greatest haters" poll.

I agree. To each his own. House rules are more than cool. As long as everyone agrees to them BEFORE the game, tournament or league starts.

[Silverhorse 228]

With all do respect...all leagues do not use passing sticks and the HHEFL certainly doesn't. I talked with Anthony yesterday about the MPFL system and BigFranco is right...house rules are cool. Maybe once I see the video we might consider using them, my problem with muti-stop is that you are sacrificing stragedy over action. For me...and this is just my opinion, so please no one get upset...for me muti-stop is too much stopping. If you have more than three stops on one play, then it takes two minutes to complete a play. So I guess what I am saying is to make the game more realistic we need to have balance. I am going to get the video from Anthony,then I am going to try to tweak the system a little bit to fit my need for "perpetual motion".

I do love the concept of leading a receiver...has anyone ever considered "muti-speed". Wouldn't it be cool if during a play you could press a button to make the board slow way down and actually try to complete the pass to a moving target! I have tried it and you want to talk about realistic!

Anyway, keep up the good discussion that is how we advance...new and better ideas. I will get my money out to you this week Anthony if you are reading this and thanks again for the phone call...it is always a pleasure talking with you.

Fellas,

There's no need for controversy here! This is a passing method designed by Anthony Burgess for his Weighted Multi-Stoppage System. And that's O.K.!
The TTQB is cumbersome to many. It requires hand and dexterity that many donot posse and requires years of practice. Look at all of the great passers;they have been doing this for years! A great TTQB passer only needs to get one man open and he can move the ball even if his team is not that good or well tweaked. Many will say , "Hey, I'm a great coach!" Believe what you want. Passing sticks keeps jokers honest! If you have a well tweaked team. A team with receivers who are straight and fast, I guarantee' they will double team your players or try to hold they at the LOS! They know that if your player completes a stick pass, chances are they can't catch them once the pass is complete! Pass placement was designed to keep the game/ball on the board. It always receivers to run routes. It allows the defense an honest play on the ball and it forces the offense to make the right decison. It keeps the game moving, active and fun. There are many variations of the "stick pass" since it was adopted by leagues across the country,but the rules must be clear and effective. The real question for those of us who play One stop, picth or pass is "Turning Players and the Clock"! HHmmm?

[Reginald Rutledge]

I would be interested to know what 99 out of 100 leagues use pass placement? If there is factual information to this knowledge, I would be surprised but definitely would want to know. With EFLers, nothing surpises me but I was just curious when I read the one post regarding that.

I guess we need to stop having the Texas Shootout because the DFW is the only league that plays with the TTQB!

Reggie, Reg,

Many leagues/tournaments use only the TTQB. I can't get my big jumbo's around the figure right. I've practiced and practiced ,but I can't pull of that shot all the time. You know how us BIG dudes do it! Sometime you gotta hold d'em down and stuff that turkey instead of slicing it! Pass simulation incombination with a TTQB is the only way to go. Other that that I'm gonna run on yah all day long partner! And it will be the LONGEST DAY YOU'll eber Play! Ain't that right Jim Davis! Haw Haw Haw! PILLGrimmm!

[Reginald Rutledge]

Tron,

You know we're boys and the great thing about the game is you can agree to disagree. But I guess one of the things that PO's guys off is this thing about guys thinking that if they scream the loudest, that becomes the authority, or the intimidation of do it my way or you don't get it.

Personally, I don't care for it. Like Mike said, I think it's a crutch for spending the time working on your game. But if that's what keeps you active in a game, that's all good. But you know Dawg, I hate when guys come on here with total fallacies, thinking anyone will believe what they say! I need factual information showing that.

To some, the TTQB is cumbersome but most who had trouble as kids throwing with the passer has taken that into their adult life. All I know is that when you've got a room full of people standing over you, in the comforts of a small scale stadium, and the clock is running down for you to throw the pass and make the play, it is not as easy as it looks!

It's a very difficult proposition. I have seen so-called great TTQB passers struggle going 6-27 in passing! So it's not a given that if a man is open, you should be able to hit him.

I have vowed never to play in competitions where I can not use the skills that I have worked on for many years if the other coach does not have to utilize that same skill. It would not be worth my time and efforts. But if time permit and the guy has shown me luv, I definitely would come and support the game.
I think to each his own but I do think guys need to have "the facts" before throwing out blanket statements. Just my opinon.

Reg

[Silverhorse 228]

Reggie..please check your pm I have an important message for you...

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by Reginald Rutledge

I would be interested to know what 99 out of 100 leagues use pass placement? If there is factual information to this knowledge, I would be surprised but definitely would want to know. With EFLers, nothing surpises me but I was just curious when I read the one post regarding that.

I guess we need to stop having the Texas Shootout because the DFW is the only league that plays with the TTQB!

WE HAVE BOTH IN OUR LEAGUE, BUT THE ADVANCING COACHES ARE THE ONES WHO CAN COMPLETE A ttqb PASS.......

We use the TTQB in our leauge. So if you use the sticks, you rarly have an incompletion do you? I was just trying to figure it out. The one time I've played with them, zero incompletions. Now, you can still use the ttcqb with the sticks right?