Let's Redesign the TTQB!

[Shabby J]

OK, brace yourself, I am up late again with nothing to do.

The TTQB is not the best designed or constructed MF device, but we all have to deal with it unless you use only the sticks for your passing game.

It could definitely be improved upon, after all it was not designed to be used by 40 year old guys who demand perfection and top of the line equipment, keep in mind it was a toy for kids. We use them, modify them, tolerate them then toss them out when they break an ankle or leg.

It can be redesigned, think about this; does it even really need to look like a QB? If we can design a device that is similar in size and basic mechanical function that allows us to attach a ball pull it back and let her rip, then bingo! Mission accomplished, right? Hell it could even have a spring on it.

Picture a device like this; I think it would be great. We could bury the TTQB as we know it and use a quality made passing device that is similar in function, but could be designed with better performance in mind and at the same time newbies or returning coaches may actually be able to pick it up and execute with it quicker.

If I am playing a game, I take my stationary QB off the field for a pass play, I reach for my TTQB and position it on the field and manipulate it with my hands to throw a pass, what do I care if the new device even resembles a QB figure, as long as I can put it on the field, hold it in my hand and with the same mechanics in mind throw a pass.

Picture in your mind an empty base and what sort of simple device could be created to sit atop that base and allow us to throw a pass using the same pull back and release method. I cold give a rats arse if it resembles a QB, as long as I can control it better and with greater consistency and make a complete pass.

I am thinking a very lightweight anodized aluminum base with a rubber cover or band all around it to help it stay in contact with the field. Atop this base made of the same lightweight anodized aluminum is the mechanical passing device, heck you could even make it look and function similar to the TTQB, but maybe with a spring to provide the enegry for passing instead of having to rely on the torsion of bending the plastic TTQB. With CAD and CNC waterjet cutting machines, this would be a pretty simple thing to construct, it would have very few parts and could be done in mass quantities pretty easily. We could even work a similar kicking device into it, or make the kicking a totally separate thing.

Please chime in on this idea. Let’s get some drawings worked out and get some proto types made! The hobby needs something to replace the TTQB.

[Anthony D Burgess]

With respect to all..........

The Pass Placement if done properly ( Not changed to the liking of the user ), would infact replace the TTBQ, thus rendering the TTQB obsolete.

It creates parity, and is playable for all no matter you're condition. Pass PLacement puts the focus on football scheme and strategy. It takes less time to execute as well.

The many forms of Pass Placement are due to the fact of personal preference and lack of playing proper pass defence as that is the key to defending the Pass Placement, the same as in real football.

Pass Placement was designed with the future in mind, and what is best fot the hobby, not a person.

Mom always said to eat you're vegtables, but we didn't like the way it looked, but in time we found out the it tasted good, and it was good for us. The same goes for Pass Placement, ( and no I'm not you're moma ! )

Just my thought and opinion on this subject.

[WEIRDWOLF]

Keeping with the original question on this thread.
Redesign of the QB.

The only redesign I see that needs to happen would be to give the QB a few more realistic details and a thicker ankle.

Practice, practice, practice is the key to getting good with the QB. Look around at the winners from last years tourneys and you will see guys who are deadly accurate with the QB proving that it is not the equipment but the work that went into making that skill important. With the MFCA skills competition I have watched alot of people who have developed the skill and are deadly accurate but even the best are not perfect. Of all those who have attempted it we have not had a perfect score yet when the pressure was on. However, I watched some when it didn't count hit a perfect score.

No matter how long this game exists, I believe that the QB should always be a part of it. It is part of the beauty and excitement of the game to hit that perfect pass and seperates out those who practice from those who don't. We can't all be Montana's or Marino's but with practice we can be good enough to win games and hit enough passes to give us an NFL average QB rating.

Practice, practice, practice.

[Michigan Joe]

Because the TTQB needs to be "spring loaded" in order to drill the pill, I would start by making the joint between the figure and the base out of a 0.3mm thick stainless steel "leaf spring". No more breaking, and with the metal the spring loading would be more consistent than plastic. Plasticd is generally not designed for multiple flexing as it has a low fatigue failure rate. At the very least, the current TTQBs from Miggle clearly need to be made of a more durable plastic.

[Reginald Rutledge]

It's just my opinion that I like the present QB from the 70's. I have always loved him. To me, he's accurate and decisive. If a person puts in the practice time, he can develop into an adequate passer. It's kinda like "Wolf" said, everyone is not gonna be Montana but every body does not have to be a Tavarius Jackson either (and I love the Vikes).

There's nothing about quarterbacks being on par with each other. Like my wife Rose said, "Why should Tom Brady be penalized because he is so much better than the next guy?" Essentially, the next guy should try to elevate his game to that of Brady.

Analogously, the same can be stated in miniature football. Shabby, I know you wanted my response in this matter but I just got to come correct to you, I love the way this plastic fella works.

Now I have designed a right hand QB from my left hand QB but he does not give me the type of accuracy that the TTQB gives me. Because the plastic of the FF.COM QB is flexible, it does allow for a spring action at the hand. When I throw using the FF.COM QB, it looks like a real QB throws the ball but with no telling where the ball will fly.

I love what the makers of this game did as far as the TTQB. They killed 3 birds with one stone. A passer who throws accurately, a placekicker who kicks at an extreme high percentage, and a punter who has the ability to kick the ball out of the stadium.

Reg

[artlax]

As I recently stated elsewhere here.I tweaked my TTQB's using some tips offered here by Reg and others - and worked at practice - and have increased my pass skills.

[mantaraydre]

Coaches

The reply is not ot offend anyone who love the use of the TTQB. Shabby j is right in regards to the TTQB needing a makeover. That plastic is not meant for continuos use in the matter in which we use it. I like shabby's idea on design. My question for the ef community is why are we so in love with this TOY/CONTRAPTION. I play in the DFW and the TTQB is the form of passing they have decided to adopt. I respect and honor the decision to use what was put in place by the king, reg rutledge. My thoughts/comments/views have nothing to do with any passer, league or ef entity.

HERE WE GO !!!!

I agree with ANTHONY BURGESS one trillion percent, this way of doing business is really out dated. The purpose of this post was to get feedback on the re-designing of this passer. This means, there are some who are not happy with it's design or using it. It is problematic to pratice passing with the ttqb only to discover the leg becoming weaker and weaker then breaks.
Call me crazy but could a manufacturer know this plastic does not work and does nothing to change it. Translation/ more broken ttqb's, more orders of them. hummmmmm ! How many times do you see on the news automobiles getting recalled because of a faulty part. hummmmmm !
I personally think it is ridiculous that we have to stick pins, glue and try different things to keep something from breaking when the manufacturer should do what it can to correct the problem. How about thicker plastic just on the ankle. Is that to hard to figure out. It should actually be a thick stump down there instead of an anorexic chad pennington.

In a world filled with many options, why dont some leagues let you pass in a manner that is more comfortable to you. What i like about ANTHONY BURGESS'S system is he gives you the option TO PASS using simulation or the ttqb. So why are some blatantly excluding what he has provided for us.
I dont want to hear how well some can use the ttqb, or those who cant.
The bottom line is options, when you go out for lunch you have the option to hit mcdonalds or have chinese food. But we are living in a ef world where we are told what to eat. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE if you use either form of passing as long as you can do both within the 20 second time frame.

How a coach chooses to pass should not be in a rule set. Imagine if the NFL told TONI ROMO, you cant play until you throw like a traditional qb.
If on one play i want to use the ttqb, fine. If the the next play i want to use pass simulation, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM ? If it is not taking up any additional time from myself, the opposing coach or the game, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM ?

This game has evolved to heights unimaginable, when i see your beautiful figures,( decals and paints jobs), beautiful stadiums, custom fields, etc etc, I look at this as chess pieces on a beautiful chess board. The minute a TTQB is whipped out, i see "TOY'. I see the toy that came with the game in the box.

That pass simulation is extremely elaborate. It allows you to focus on running a 9 route, comes backs, slants, out routes. It also allows for more detailed DB PLAY !. I want ANT BURGESS to put up a picture of his floating football he designed. It is designed to hit the receiver in the hands or chest.

I like shabby j's idea on the changing of the ttqb. I also want coaches to take advantage of the options that are here for us RIGHT NOW IN 2007/2008.

I really would like to know why the option to pass they way we want is not warranted. Especially if is it not taking any addtional time and slowing down the game.

MY FINAL THOUGHT/QUESTION IS,

"WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE ? "

Get that MPFL DVD IT IS AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!


MANTARAY-DRE ( THE OCEAN IS FILING UP FOR 2008)

What the heck,burgess mentioned this, DO SOME COACHES HOLD ONTO CERTAIN THINGS IN THE HOBBY BECAUSE THEY ARE PERSONALLY GOOD AT IT ?

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STYLES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Anthony D Burgess]

Well Kansas Bill, it would seem that Childslovegame, and Mantaray-Dre understand

That is the point, get it ???? or maybe you need a translator

Prejudice: Preconceived judgment or opinion with out just grounds or without sufficient knowledge.

Covet: To desire what belongs to another, an inordinate desire .

Many have a predjudice to other forms of passing that will allow for balanced and playable format for all. They covet there way of passing knowing full well that they will win a lot of games while others are learning how to pass.

They want to be the big fish in a little pond. Not knowing that the new coach may infact get frustrated and leave the hobby. It is really a selfish attitude not to consider others and what is best for them just so you can keep you're dominance over them.

Why redesign something that henders new coaches from entering this hobby because it is clear that this is one reason why the growth is slow. You will not solve the issue of advancing this hobby by redesigning something that the people outside of this hobby do not like and view as dumb.

Now if you remember there is something called freedom of speach and expression, it gives people the right to either show there intelligence or stupidity.

Example: "Whites only" was once a sign posted outside of some establishments. So is this to say that Black's $$$ was not to be accepted ?

" There will never be a Black QB in the NFL " Was this to say that a Black athlete could not throw a pass like a White QB ?

Hey, If you don't pass with the TTQB then you're not going to win, or be a good coach ?

Now I understand that this post was about redesigning the TTQB, but what about redesigning the way you see the game and it's future.

I'm thinking about the future of this hobby, what are you thinking about ?

Evolution : A process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more relative peaceful social advance. Modifications in successive generation.

Everything has evolved in this hobby, everything but the minde set of the people who play it .

Not a Sermon, just a thought rtfl$ rtfl$

[Raven maniac]

As much as I like the TTQB of the 70's. Why not work with the concept of the old metal TTQB. It was spring loaded and had some good zip to it. So Reg with your engineering mind why not work with that QB.

Darrian

[Kansas Bill]

Originally Posted by Anthony D Burgess

Well Kansas Bill, it would seem that Childslovegame, and Mantaray-Dre understand

That is the point, get it ???? or maybe you need a translator

Prejudice: Preconceived judgment or opinion with out just grounds or without sufficient knowledge.

Covet: To desire what belongs to another, an inordinate desire .

Many have a predjudice to other forms of passing that will allow for balanced and playable format for all. They covet there way of passing knowing full well that they will win a lot of games while others are learning how to pass.

They want to be the big fish in a little pond. Not knowing that the new coach may infact get frustrated and leave the hobby. It is really a selfish attitude not to consider others and what is best for them just so you can keep you're dominance over them.

Why redesign something that henders new coaches from entering this hobby because it is clear that this is one reason why the growth is slow. You will not solve the issue of advancing this hobby by redesigning something that the people outside of this hobby do not like and view as dumb.

Now if you remember there is something called freedom of speach and expression, it gives people the right to either show there intelligence or stupidity.

Example: "Whites only" was once a sign posted outside of some establishments. So is this to say that Black's $$$ was not to be accepted ?

" There will never be a Black QB in the NFL " Was this to say that a Black athlete could not throw a pass like a White QB ?

Hey, If you don't pass with the TTQB then you're not going to win, or be a good coach ?

Now I understand that this post was about redesigning the TTQB, but what about redesigning the way you see the game and it's future.

I'm thinking about the future of this hobby, what are you thinking about ?

Evolution : A process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more relative peaceful social advance. Modifications in successive generation.

Everything has evolved in this hobby, everything but the minde set of the people who play it .

Not a Sermon, just a thought rtfl$ rtfl$

Don't need a translator.. Knew exactly what I was reading..

Bottom line..
If you can't put your thoughts into the right words..
That's not my problem...

My problem.. (obviously).. is the inability to read it and move on, or just skip it like so many others do.

Childs love touched on your writing style.. so ya.. he gets it..

Andre?.. I chuckled at the talk of people "blatantly" excluding this or that.. there isn't a league out there (Cept maybe the DFW guys who just wanna play) who doesn't exclude stuff..

OH and the PM...
Again, you're free to think as you want to..
But.. 8-10 steps behind you in the thinking department?