At What Point Would You Say A Base Is Tweaked Just Right ?

[mantaraydre]

COACHES

1) Does a base have to run end zone to end zone ?

2) what if the base runs 70 yards then turns, should you tweek some more or stop right there?


3) at what point is over tweeking determined ?

4)what must you see to be satisfied with a base ?

5)if a base seems pretty fast, would you try to make it faster or quit while your ahead ?

6) how do you measure the strength of a base when your not playing against another coach who has a strong team ?

7) CAN A BLOCKING SLED BE MADE TO PERFECTION FOR YOUR STRONG BASES TO BE TESTED AGAINST. if a sled can be made, how much should it weigh so you can see if your players are strong enouh to push it /

8) can a blocking sled be made for an entire line, how much should that weigh

9) how fast should a receiver be ?

10) how fast should a linebacker be ?

11) should you db's be super fast to track down wr's


let me know

mantaraydre

[Electric Coach]

Mantaray,

You have a loaded question. As a result, I will answer question #4, which asks, “What must you see to be satisfied with a base?”

I am satisfied when a base shows me a balance of speed and strength. It doesn’t have to be extremely fast or super strong. If they are, that’s fine because they can be used in other positions such as kick returner if the base is really fast. If it’s really strong, it will be a defensive tackle for me. I will allow others to chime in and answer the other questions that you have.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[GrandMasterKC]

If it gets it's designed task completed....it is tweaked to the satisfaction of that specific purpose. It is even a greater joy when it runs the route or covers a hole..etc as designed...not perfectly for we are in a game of uncertainty, but we can increase the possibilities for success by knowing the tendencies of our bases.......consistant certainties...

[HOOP]

almost the exact questions i have had over the past week as i get ready for Buzzball and the SeaWall.
i hope this thread gets many responses because there are crucial answers to be given.

[Hook'em Horns]

Here is what I will say to that...

I have never been the best tweaker but what I look for fits my coaching philosphy.

Defensively - I believe in power on the d-line and speed everywhere else.

Offensively - I believe in finesse, creativity & purpose. To me it is important that every base have a purpose. If it doesn't serve a purpose how do you execute what you're after? Do you even know what you're after?

Electric Football is a true game of chess. It is important to set your opponent up!

Therefore, I never have the stronger nor do I have the fastest team however, my coaching philosophy allows me to be competitive.

You may have a different approach. However, certain players on my team must take it the distance. You have to have home run hitters. I also have specialist for key down and distances. So it is up to you and how you approach the game.

No base is a bad base unless it doesn't move. If you think its a bad base, I'm sure it fits in someone's coaching schemes!

[Michigan Joe]

Guys, I think you need some bench mark athletes (figure+base) for strength and speed for starters. Also, how repeatable is the base, can you trust that saftey to run down the reciever or will he arc the wrong way. Does your WR seperate from smash mouth DBs at the line? Do you know how to play your corners so that they don't get beat at a high rate, in other words do they like to be straight up, inside leverage, etc. Can your O-line work in unison for wedge blocking and do they have versatility to create holes in any location along the line? Do you got speed rush from the outside, can your looper become a presence?

I'm certainly not a battle tested coach per say, but I would answer your questions with these questions.
Joe

[MplsTom]

Consistency, consistency, consitency.

With the possible exception of wideouts who you want sometimes to be a bit shaky, I want to be able to know exactly what the base is going to do and have it perform that way regardless of the board.

As coach K-Lo says, "The #1 commandment in EF is 'Know Thy Men.'"

I see too many coaches bring a base onto the tourney field that has been freshly tweaked and they really don't know how it will perform in relation to your other O-Linemen (do they move as a unit, etc) or how it runs to a stick.

[Kansas Bill]

Originally Posted by Michigan Joe

Guys, I think you need some bench mark athletes (figure+base) for strength and speed for starters. Also, how repeatable is the base, can you trust that saftey to run down the reciever or will he arc the wrong way. Does your WR seperate from smash mouth DBs at the line? Do you know how to play your corners so that they don't get beat at a high rate, in other words do they like to be straight up, inside leverage, etc. Can your O-line work in unison for wedge blocking and do they have versatility to create holes in any location along the line? Do you got speed rush from the outside, can your looper become a presence?

I'm certainly not a battle tested coach per say, but I would answer your questions with these questions.
Joe

And there lies the problem with every Miggle base I have ever tweaked or had tweaked by others for strength.. The strength always goes away. Not sure if it's just my methods or not..

And I'm sure this is going to sound like another sales pitch. .but so be it..
Last April I tweaked some F5's that were AS strong or stronger as the Miggle TTC Shell combo'd with a proline strong dial that I used at last years NHFL playoffs..

None of that has been touched in almost a year.. till this week..
My linemen from the NHFL playoffs haven't been run since the playoffs.. and now they are getting crushed..

I do think a sled would be the best barometer of strength..
Just haven't messed with that as of yet..

[Electric Coach]

Yes, a base can be over tweaked. Basically, when you tweak a base, you break the base down by reducing its structure in an effort to make it respond. The prongs or bristles on the base are stiff and thick. When that stiffness and thickness is reduced too much, the base is made weak to such a point it loses it structure. When that happens, the base will collapse under the weight of a figure. Sometimes the base will jerk around on the board when it is tested or it may not move at all. In most cases, the base is rendered useless.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

COACHES

1) Does a base have to run end zone to end zone ?Sometime you need a few of these players on your team. Positions that would fit this mode are RB, DB, WR, KR, QB (if you like runnung you QB)

2) what if the base runs 70 yards then turns, should you tweek some more or stop right there?
it depends on the position you are twaeking THAT base for. Not every player needs to go to the house. If you are in the lab (tweak area) you should/will find yourself with bases that go a varity of distances before they turn. Every one of them can do something on the field. Like Mike Roberson said " I'm sure it fits in someone's coaching schemes"

3) at what point is over tweeking determined ?
when the base goes from being a player to nothing at all!

4)what must you see to be satisfied with a base ?I tweak for positions most of the time. So if I am working the TE spot for example, if I come across a base that does not fit that position - I will set it aside to try soemwhere else. the same would be for any other position. The goal is to find players that fit your schemes. You must decide what is best for your team, so don't be fooled into thinking that you need all strong bases or all straight bases, etc. I like to have more than 5 O-linemen or D-linemen on the team just in case someone is weak on the line, you have a backup that can get the job done.

5)if a base seems pretty fast, would you try to make it faster or quit while your ahead ? refer to #4 .... you can try if you want but that's when it becomes a issue like the #3 question.

6) how do you measure the strength of a base when your not playing against another coach who has a strong team ? Since I have good talent on my team, it is a little easier for me to keep getting relatively strong bases time and time again. They are not always the strongest players on the field, but within my system, they do the job asked of them. But to really answer the question with something other readers can use - Try this the next time you are tweaking - test the new tweaked base against your "known strong player" for starters. If your new guy cannot beat him, keep trying. If the new tweak can beat the old base then it's on to training step number 2 - go against the double team stack ... if you new tweaked base holds his own, set it to the side (mark it) and go to the next base. Once you have the few players that meet your requirments come back and test the unit....

7) CAN A BLOCKING SLED BE MADE TO PERFECTION FOR YOUR STRONG BASES TO BE TESTED AGAINST. if a sled can be made, how much should it weigh so you can see if your players are strong enouh to push it /
not sure about this one

8) can a blocking sled be made for an entire line, how much should that weigh
not sure about this either

9) how fast should a receiver be ? as fast as you want him to be, however mine don't have to be that fast - just get open is what I require. I feel that is more important than speed.

10) how fast should a linebacker be ? as fast as your DB would be good. OLB aka Loopers need to be faster than a RB but must also tough to shed TE blocks; fast enough that he can get to the QB with quick pessure.

11) should you db's be super fast to track down wr's

in a word YES!!! they must also be some of the straightest players you have.


let me know

mantaraydre

Hope this helps but as Mpls Tom said - you gotta know your players........