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![]() This business of passing.
First off, IN THE NFL, when a qb drops back to pass (three, four or five step drop) locates his primary receiver for the play and he is open. How lolng would that entire process take before the rush gets to the qb. Is it 5 secs, 7 secs, 10 secs, what is the estimated time frame. When we figure out how long it takes altogether, why can't we implement that into miniature football. I know burgess has somethjing along those lines (not saying this because i joined his league) but another coach called me tuesday and had the same thoughts. We agreed, in the nfl a the entire receiver unit may not be open on some plays and the qb throws it away. And what does the anouncer's alway's say. Excellent coverage by the defense. NOT SINGLING OUT ANY TOURNEY OR STYLE OF PLAY, but in many instances once the board is turned on it is an absolute jail break to the end zone. If your not using the pass placement so the DB can get an interception on the play (via fast rookie bases on your secondary) WE ARE ALL LEFT SHAKING AND HAVING OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT THE OTHER COACH MISSES WITH THE TDQ OR TTQB. Well in real football, the db's don't stop once the ball is thrown and say "oh my god, i hope he under or over throws the pass" When a coach misses with a pass, what's the first words out of the other coaches mouth, A HAPPY "INCOMPLETE" Under there breath, "yeah he missed". Shouldn't there be more to the defense than waiting to see if he can hit that golf shot. The TDQ and the TTQB are for the brette farve, jay cuttler bullet through the crease's pass. The pace placement is for the Dan fouts, joe namath leading the receiver pass. I love when you guy's incorporate both into your gameplay so we can enjoy both. I mentioned the timing of the drop back earlier because why can't we have a set time on all pass play's. If a coach say's pass, that board stay's on for the agreed amount of time to drop back and find his receiver. When a coach see's the sack coming, he cut's the board off right away then searches who to throw to. Well if we are trying to immulate the nfl as much as we can, when tom brady see's the sack coming he does not yell freeze and everyone on the football field stop's and wait's for him to make a decision. If you agree on 6 sec for the drop back and wr to get down field, if a blitzer get's there in 4 sec's you can't stop the board to avoid the sack. So, when the timer goes off in 6 sec's, if you are not sacked, see if your primary receiver is open, if not, your second and third choices and hit one of them with the TDQ or TTQb or pass placement. With the db's running down field with the receiver, you may hit one of them in the back instead of the receiver being wide open by himself due to him slipping past a cover corner because he was on a base with a rounded front. I AM HOPIMG WE CAN HAVE A CIVILIZED DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT MANY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS MANTARAYDRE
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Last edited by artlax : 10-09-2008 at 11:28 AM. Reason: add. |
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![]() Jail breaks are the result of weak pass defence thats all because you get beat by passing dont blame the game check your pass coverage!!
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![]() Elements of the Passing Game
There are about 16 elements of the passing game in the game of football. •Pass Protection •Pass Rush •Pass Routes •Defensive Pass Coverage •2,3,5,7 yard drops •QB ‘s Progression •Type of Pass thrown, (a) Bullet Pass i.e. TTQB, (B) Lead Pass i.e. Pass Placement •Player Intelligence •Pass Completed •Pass Knocked Down •Interception •Sack •Receiver making a play on the ball •Defender making a play on the ball •Play Recognition •Pass Penalties, “Holding, Illegal man down field, Offensive Pass interference, Defensive Pass interference, Defensive Holding, In our hobby many tend to focus on one single element of the passing game, “The TTQB “!!! The rules by witch they play are structured around this element and it is a key needed to win games 95% of the time. The other 15 elements are implemented under the luck system, role of the dice, or pretend labeling. When coaches’ express there issues with this area of play, the sad defense is always, “Practice, Defense, Tweaking, etc”. This offers little or no help to the coaches who are trying to enjoy our hobby. Is the use of the TTQB more important than the other 15 area’s? What would happen if you took the game out of the hands off the TTQB, and put it in the hand of all the passing elements? Maybe the player on the field would have to earn the result of the play rather then trust it to a role of the dice, a shake of a box, or another form of luck. The pass rush, and coverage affects the QB’s progression, it can change the QB’s intended receiver and change the type of pass thrown, it changes the pass routes run by the receivers. This is caused by the intelligence of the players on the field, and can negate the TTQB skill that one might have. (Could this be why the other elements are not used with balance?) All areas are just as important, but I guess if they are given equal attention then that would take away from there advantage. Think of it like this, 11 players on defense playing with there eyes closed, 10 players on offense playing with there eyes closed with only the QB being able to see. What would you have? •Very few interceptions •No defender making a play on the ball •Little or no sacks •No structured Offense •No structured Defense •No QB Progression •No Player Intelligence •No Passes Knocked Down By not giving fair balance to all the passing elements you are cheating you’re self out of the full fulfillment of this area of the game. You could be hurting the advancement of this hobby as well.
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![]() 16 points huh?Well check this out the best way to defend the pass is get the quarterback ask any coach this is number one! all that other stuff well it is what it is other stuff!!If the guy with the ball is on the ground the play is dead!!
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![]() I look at Pass Placement as a way to make the game level for those who can not pass with the TTQB. Using the TTQB is a skill, but with PP not so much. The bottom line is you have to play better D regardless if you are using the TTQB or PP.
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I know that we both play music, you play the guitar. Well if you play a song that has 24 notes in it, you would need to play "ALL THE NOTES" in order to play thae song, i.e. make music. However if you just play one note then you're not playing music but making noise ![]() Well playing defense is the same way, one area doesn't make for a gooe defense, you need all areas, the same as you need to play all the notes to a song in order to make music. ![]() ![]()
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