Enough is enough. Let's vote!

[eflfanatic]

One reason to vote is this...what do you want your MFCA convention tournament to be played at?

This is what we are trying to get to. Hopefully, the MFCA will eventually sponsor or sanction their own regional and national tournaments with their own set of rules and we need to know what is going to be acceptable for everyone and still keep within the mission of the MFCA. As Chairman of the Rules committee I need to know what the membership of the MFCA wants. A very welcome and much appreciated poll and topic not "trash" or a "waste of time"!!!

[TVsCHACHI]

I voted 3.2/3.3 because I think this is the most common standard weight and has existed as such in multiple leagues for years, however I think the MFCA standard should be 4.0, as it allows for a more diverse product to showcase at the convention (customs, customs, customs).

My 2 pennies.

[Coach Rip]

Trash this post, ..........the whole thing is null and void due to the fact that figures and bases should be weighed separately.

First off KNOW what Standard means - A technical standard is an established norm. No one can argue that the norm for 40 years have been a figure at 2.0 and a base at 1.2/1.3.

weight limit for a "standard figure" is 2.0 grams and a base is 1.2/1.3 grams............hence the "3.3" misnomer" what happens when you have a heavier figure on a rookie base, ...............say the figure/custom figure weighs in a 2.5 grams and he is on a rookie base of .8 grams......................he makes weight..........what is to say after he makes weight this 2.5 gram figure makes it way on to a DDB or TTC base weighing 1.2 during a game???????????????????

Hmmmmmmmmmm that makes his aggregate weight 3.6 grams and thus over the limit 3.3 ........yes, it happens boys and girls!

Now this also goes for this for this 4.0 weight class as well.

Unlimited is great because all the figure has to do is fit the height and weight template and the base must be able to move!

TRASH THIS NONSENSE

[Geno H]

Coach Rip thats a whole other debate.
I do think that not everyone voting on this understands that 2 wires have been crossed here. Voting to set standards and voting to determine a standard that the MFCA wants to recognize as thier desired weight are 2 totally different things.

This has been voted on in the sense of what do you like better 3.3 or 4.0?

Anyone who frequents this board could have told you what the more popular weight would have been.

I am wiling to help clear things up...in the proper manner....thats the last I have to say.

Geno H

[RavennaAl]

Originally Posted by eflfanatic

This is what we are trying to get to. Hopefully, the MFCA will eventually sponsor or sanction their own regional and national tournaments with their own set of rules and we need to know what is going to be acceptable for everyone and still keep within the mission of the MFCA. As Chairman of the Rules committee I need to know what the membership of the MFCA wants. A very welcome and much appreciated poll and topic not "trash" or a "waste of time"!!!

Well, the numbers speak for themselves. So far, 90% of the people want 4.0 as the 'official weight standard' I'll type this real slow so that everyone understands....
This doesn't mean that you have to play at that weight, or change your teams.

What this means, is that now, finally, all you have to do is make one team and you can play against anyone else. Just one. For new people, it means they can go ahead and start with a 4.0 limit, instead of trying to figure out what class to shoot for.

This is not a ridiculous idea. What I find ridiculous is seeing 3.2, 3.3, 3.5, 4.0, 4.2, 5.0, unlimited..... A person would go nuts trying to set up teams for every weight class out there. Now you only need to set up one at 4.0, and you should be ok to play against anyone else at 4.0. That's it. No need to cut players apart and drill them out to make weight. All figures and all bases. No exclusions.

I've played my entire life with teams that are 3.3 or under. Every team I have is at this weight. I'm perfectly happy with the way that they run and perform. I am not going to change any of them. They will always be at 3.3 or less. BUT, now I will make a 4.0 team. Just one, and I will be set to play against anyone else, any time, any place, because hopefully, they, too, will have a 4.0 team.

Now, hopefully someday real soon, we will also have a universal rule set to play by. One that we can all use our 4.0 teams to play against each other with. That doesn't mean that we all have to play by those rules at home or in our leagues, it will simply be one rule set that would be a 'standardized' system that anyone can adhere to and play against anyone else. Just one rule to learn instead of 10 or 12.

Is this concept too difficult for anyone out there to understand??? If you're still confused or upset, PM me and let's see if we can come to a mutual understanding.

[Geno H]

Al,
I too will type very slowly YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Geno H

[WEIRDWOLF]

I've thought about this a lot the last few days and can see good reasoning from both sides of the fence. It has been a great discussion and very level headed. I have actually changed some of my thinking on this since the start of the discussion. Seeing the vote to this point also has played into my thoughts. Maybe the 3.3 guys are not voting, but if this was a presidential election they would of announced it as a landslide win by now, for President 4.0-bama.

4.0 is more inclusive, allows for greater flexibility in style, however, if the MFCA is to adopt this as the "official" standard (again as Al said, you can still have 3. whatever and still be part of the big picture) then along with this needs to be an overall height maximum. Essentially a definition of what scale and size is acceptable to go with the 4.0. Chris Fields works in this field and has clearly laid out how miniatures are defined and I believe he said that they are measured from eye to foot which puts our figures in the 28 mm scale category.

Now if we adopt 4.0, does that change the skills competitions? Currently we have: up to 3.3 and 3.4 and over. Do we then go to: up to 4.0 and 4.1 and over? As far as rules for the future MFCA rule set, I think 4.0 is the way to go and the only way to go. When I vote it will be for that weight.

To every one against 4.0 as a standard IT DOESN'T CHANGE anything in your current league. You still can do whatever you want and everybody will.

What adopting 4.0 does and says to anyone new entering the hobby is:
4.0 is the accepted national MFCA allowable weight for figure and base combinations. Leagues in your area may run under different maximum weights and you should check with the league you intend to play in before investing in building your team. Please note that the game can be played at many different weight levels from 3.3 to as much as 20 or more grams. 4.0 , however is the standard for national and international play.

Does that kind of sum it up?

[WEIRDWOLF]

Originally Posted by Shabby J

What a waste of topic space, I feel like we set the wayback machine to 2005.


What a waste of time.

Instead of focusing on scales that are not needed, we should focus on recruiting materials, instructional DVDs, league building packages, sponsorships and advertising deals, etc...

I did want to speak to this also.
Promotion of the hobby can mean many things. Yes, producing DVD's brochures, ad packages, etc is promotion, but so is setting standards. In order to write a brochure or sell advertising, we need to show that we are organized and have fair competition. Rules and standards are the foundation to us being able to promote the hobby on a more advanced level. Being organized and showing that we know what we are doing gives us competitive credibility and gives anyone wanting to start up and compete a fair chance to compete and succeed. Firm guidelines is a way to promote and may be the best way to promote!

Just my thoughts...Shabby and I always go at it...LOL I can't wait till July when I'm in LA to get on the field with him and settle it once and for all.

[detroitchild]

At this point the tally is 40 - 5. It looks like the MFCA has spoken.

Now let's move forward and let a new era begin!

[Shabby J]

Put 'em up Wolf!