Enough is enough. Let's vote!

[Geno H]

Originally Posted by mklingbeil

I voted for 4.0, though my personal preference is 4.0 for linemen, 3.6 for backs, receivers, linebackers, and DBS

Quick question though...when did 3.3 become the standard? I remember since we first started and Mike Pratt came up with the standards that is was always 3.2...why did that change?

Just curious,
Mark

Mark,
Many of the Proline dials sold from Miggle added to the convention shell always seem to tip the scale to 1.3.........That to my knowledge is what upped the weight to 3.3 instead of 3.2.

Geno H

[mklingbeil]

Geno,
Thanks...was curious, that's all.

Mark

[Treks1]

Originally Posted by Megawattz

If u use the phrase "Competition Weight" instead of "Standards" I believe everyone here would agree. The standards are in place with regard to manufactured products, thats not gonna change no time soon. As far as "Competition Weight" thats really whats this about. 4.0 is the preferred "Competition Weight" for stated reasons, that doesnt mean standards have to change.

Ok... then if the "standards" were based on "standard" sets of figures and base the perhaps we do need to change the terminology. Perhaps "Competition Weight" is the term we should be using, as I don't believe the the question raised by the poll had anything to do with "standard figures".

Tudor's definitions need to be re-defined, or perhaps we need to add a new defintion, independent of manufactured "standard" figures that simply addresses total weight of base and figure; call it "competition weight" and the recognized limit is 4.0 g

[Megawattz]

its obvious that the standard manufactured products isnt going to change no time soon, we need to seperate the 2 "Competition Weight" addresses eveything we need to do here period. George is right the standards have been set awhile back & for new guys, thats where they will most likely start, assuming they go to the common manufactures for there products. With that said "Competition Weight" is what deserves our attention. pretend like that wasnt my suggestion for u guys who wouldnt follow me out of a burning house

[RavennaAl]

Originally Posted by mklingbeil

I voted for 4.0, though my personal preference is 4.0 for linemen, 3.6 for backs, receivers, linebackers, and DBS

Quick question though...when did 3.3 become the standard? I remember since we first started and Mike Pratt came up with the standards that is was always 3.2...why did that change?

The heaviest tudor figure is less than 2.0 (even the 68 big men) and the heaviest base ever made by Tudor is 1.2g. Thus, the standard set by Tudor is 3.2...right?

So, shouldn't this be a debate about 3.2 versus 4.0 for standards (or whatever you want to call them...most anyone on this board could care less)?

Just curious,
Mark

OK, so it was Pratt who came up with the numbers. What year was this determined?

[RPD]

Originally Posted by Coach Rip

Your post is reasonable in thought, as it makes sense, however, if you have played around the country as I have, the 3.3 and so called 4.0 are just window dressing, aka tip of the iceberg....................and no, they are not melting and will drown us in 10 years, ...but that is for another blog!

What I have found through experience, is you will have to modify or build a team for each league you play.

most leagues are Pro nfl type leagues, if you have a raiders team out fitted on both weight classes, ...............suppose the league you want to travel to play, already has a raiders team?

Each league has their "flava" with regards to rules, they may restrict certain figures, they may restrict they way you weight your players, ....... ie. lead tape or boiled bases, weight under the base only or allowed to be on the figure...........

Coach Rip,

You know you are probably much more knowledgable than I in respect to weight classes. But the few tournaments I have been in were for the most part 4.0. This is where the hobby is going. The players perform much better in this weight class. As for the 3.3 team I'm preparing, I want to have them on hand just in case as was the case at the MFCA convention some coaches don't have a 4.0 team. As for me and leagues if its a 3.3 team or 4.0 then I can play in either. But believe me when I say some of the big heavy weights in this hobby are moving to the 4.0 weight class. I have tested both 3.3 and 4.0 on my board (3924) and there is no doubt they perform better at 4.0. Please Rip no disrespect just what I hav efound to be the case.

RD

[Megawattz]

Originally Posted by RavennaAl

OK, so it was Pratt who came up with the numbers. What year was this determined?

c'mon fellas cant get caught up in individual back & forth, We need to set a competition weight no more no less, that most if not all tornies can go by. I wish I could play in Beltsville, no time to build a 3.2 team so I cant play. setting a competion weight would ease the burden on guys that want to compete but cant field or afford more than 1 competitive sqaud.

[mklingbeil]

I am making a Notre Dame team that is 3.2 and a Houston Oilers team with custom figures that is 4.0...no big deal.

[Shabby J]

[the french guy]

Why not just create an official faq somewhere, taking count of each usual competition weights?


something like that, but with a "pro" (experienced) point of view :


classic (3.2g-3.3g) :
pro :
work out of box (especially miggle sets/figs range, buzzball figs range)
historic way of playing MF
no need to add weight or modify bases or figs

cons :
can be "bouncy" or inconsistant on some big boards
a lot of leagues preferes 4.0gram class

list of leagues playing under classic class : (...)


heavy : (4.0g)


pros :
more "room" for customizing
works better on some big boards
a lot of leagues plays 4.0grams class


cons :
heavy class athletes can be too strong against classic class athletes, causing incompatibility
need to watch out the weight during the team setup (customizing or training)

list of leagues playing under heavy class : (...)



etc, etc... you get the idea. Lets the beginners make their own point reading that official faq and watching 1) the material they have/plan to buy 2) the leagues and friends they can play with around, without any "that is better than this" argument, peacefully (Lennon, go out of this body now).

In my opinion (beginner oriented, of course), it should be usefull. Remember some examples we saw on that topic : the slot cars, the model railroad, the sport gun competition, etc, etc... other hobbies or sports with many diferent sides/scales/etc... in them always choosed that way, instead of saying THAT is the official something.