On to the next round......boards

[pit couture]

If you want a compete in a league or any kind of championship, you need rule. When I play with friends around here, we have our rules and they are not too complicated. That is just fine for us. If I went to a miggle convention, for exemple, I would more than happy to play according to the rules of the miggle convention.

It might be difficult to find a standard set of rules, we all have a tendancy to pull for what we think is right. If people are serious about competition then we need a standard set of rules. If we only want to play a game with friends then we use the rules that we are confortable with.

Pierre

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Michigan Joe

Nah...diffent boards is like different golf courses in golf or different playing surface in tennis.

Also, baseball has no regulation for the distance the the power allies, down the lines, and to straight center. The polo grounds center field was i think 487 ft. or something around there, but down the lines it ranged from 250-270 ft. I like the tennis relation by Joe, grass, clay, concrete, just like fiber board, expanded pvc, sheet metal, plexi, ect.

There is a point to draw a line on size though, probably at the rose bowl size.

Taylor

[FrustratedFinFan]

I kind of agree with Shabby. Seems like we are treading over well worn ground here. You play with the rules in place at the venue. I know that in Dallas, it will be their version of the shootout rules. Similar scene in Canton. I know that out here in L.A., we allow lots of equipment that other leagues don't....but I haven't seen any road warriors having any troubles with our rules.

The Miggle tourney has standards as well....but ain't it the granddaddy of all the events anyway? It makes sense that Miggle's rules will remain unchanged.

When in Rome....do as the Romans do!

[eflfanatic]

The Rules Committee is working on two things right now. A "For Advanced Play" guide book, encyclopedia, or whatever you want to call it.

This is the Purpose and Mission of that project.

Purpose: To create an “Encyclopedia” of rules and terms used by current and past league and tournament organizers to play the game of “Miniature Football”

Mission: By examining and evaluating the various rules that are currently being used and have been used in the past by league and tournament organizers, we are attempting to compile an “encyclopedia” of terms, rules and game play formats, to give the serious coach of miniature football a guide to use in choosing a league or tournament format to challenge and further develop his skills and coaching abilities. This will also serve as a guide to coaches who wish to organize their own local or regional league or tournament for the purpose of attracting other coaches who may wish to play the game of miniature football in a more competitive environment.

This guide will also attempt to serve as a history of leagues and tournaments and as a historical account of the development of rules and equipment (game boards, figures, bases and other innovative developments) used by league and tournaments to play the game of miniature football.

We are also working on a set of "official" rules for MFCA sanctioned league and tournament play. Every league or tournament has to have rules. Any one who has ever worked on league or tournament rules knows what a difficult task this.

We are not trying to force standards on any one.

This series of discussions (and there will be more) is purely to find out what the majority of the MFCA membership wants so that we can create a set of rules that will govern the game play of MFCA league and tournament competetion that hopefully enough people will be satisfied with to want to participate in.

For those of you who think that this is trash and a waste of time. I humbly respect your opinion and you have a right to express that opinion. But you also have to repect the opinion and the right of those to express their opinion who do think that it is worth their time and effort.

Respectfully,
Chris LeMay
Chairman, MFCA Rules Committee.

[Shabby J]

Originally Posted by eflfanatic

We are also working on a set of "official" rules for MFCA sanctioned league and tournament play. Every league or tournament has to have rules. Any one who has ever worked on league or tournament rules knows what a difficult task this.


Respectfully,
Chris LeMay
Chairman, MFCA Rules Committee.

The MFCA is not a league nor should it be. It is an organization that brings coaches together to embrace and unify people in all styles of play.

Is the MFCA on TV, is the MFCA on local radio, is the MFCA in major sporting publications, is the MFCA ever going to hit 300 members, is the MFCA going to retain current members, is the MFCA offering DVDs, etc...

This is where I think the focus should be, not on weights and field standards that already exist.

Just my opinion Mr. Chairman and there will be more.

[eflfanatic]

This is where I think the focus should be, not on weights and field standards that already exist.

Shabby,

So if standards already exist, what are they and are they clearly defined?

The MFCA is not a league nor should it be. It is an organization that brings coaches together to embrace and unify people in all styles of play.

You are right about this and I quess we have to decide whether or not the MFCA as an organization should be trying to sanction or sponsor league and tournament competetions of their own.

[the french guy]

One thing that confirmed players have to realize : for a "real" beginner (people who never played electric football ), the MF world is dark and foggy


I explain : When I found the first information about MF on internet, my first thought was "it's original and unusual, how do we play that thing ? ". Then, I readed, and readed again, anything I found on the subject. And I didn't understand anything, until I found youtube videos.

Once I understood how the system was working, I suscribed on MFCA forum. ANd again, I was completly lost : what figs, what bases, differences between that brand and that brand, what board should I use, what ruleset, sticks, ttqb, tdq, etc...But I was motivated. When I've got something in mind, I dig, and dig again until I 'll understand everything, and in the better case, I 'll master it.

But I'm pretty sure a lot of guys will surrender facing all the difficulties, the dozens of ruleset, the tons of diferent equipements available.


If you want to bring new MF players, especially the youngest (who never played the game) or foreigners (as I said before, a lot of foreign countries already know football : canada, germany, italy, france, japan, holland, etc...), you'll have to make guides, standard or whatever you can call it.

When I was thinking about my first board, people had PM me infos about miggle boards, tudor boards, or even on how to create my own custom board. All that, via PM or on threads hided (I mean, not directly visible for the newcomer) on the forum. So that information and opinions, basically already exists. If anything more visible and clear existed , it would be easier.


If there is only ONE reason to make that type of guides or discuss, here it is : making the beginners a easier way to join us. It will not change veterans league or their hobby vision, it will just make the hobby more "readable" for non specialists.

[Coach Rip]

Dimitri,

this is What I have been saying for years, but one thing you must understand, many guys in the hobby don't really care about supporting newbies. We have come a long way, many guys have since stepped up to the plate, and the tide has turned but we still have a long way to go.

You described what I have classified as "Paralysis by analysis" the newbies get sooooo bogged down with the "so many ways/things" many walk away before they even get started.

[GUTTMANN]

Originally Posted by eflfanatic

The Rules Committee is working on two things right now. A "For Advanced Play" guide book, encyclopedia, or whatever you want to call it.

This is the Purpose and Mission of that project.

Purpose: To create an “Encyclopedia” of rules and terms used by current and past league and tournament organizers to play the game of “Miniature Football”

Mission: By examining and evaluating the various rules that are currently being used and have been used in the past by league and tournament organizers, we are attempting to compile an “encyclopedia” of terms, rules and game play formats, to give the serious coach of miniature football a guide to use in choosing a league or tournament format to challenge and further develop his skills and coaching abilities. This will also serve as a guide to coaches who wish to organize their own local or regional league or tournament for the purpose of attracting other coaches who may wish to play the game of miniature football in a more competitive environment.

This guide will also attempt to serve as a history of leagues and tournaments and as a historical account of the development of rules and equipment (game boards, figures, bases and other innovative developments) used by league and tournaments to play the game of miniature football.

We are also working on a set of "official" rules for MFCA sanctioned league and tournament play. Every league or tournament has to have rules. Any one who has ever worked on league or tournament rules knows what a difficult task this.

We are not trying to force standards on any one.

This series of discussions (and there will be more) is purely to find out what the majority of the MFCA membership wants so that we can create a set of rules that will govern the game play of MFCA league and tournament competetion that hopefully enough people will be satisfied with to want to participate in.

For those of you who think that this is trash and a waste of time. I humbly respect your opinion and you have a right to express that opinion. But you also have to repect the opinion and the right of those to express their opinion who do think that it is worth their time and effort.

Respectfully,
Chris LeMay
Chairman, MFCA Rules Committee.

Hello Chris,

I believe that if everyone knew about the guide/rules being created for the MFCA, which is why Al was posting these questions about standards and boards, there wouldn't have been so many pros and con responses. There was no mention of this in any of the original posts. There would've been suggestions made for it, and the responses wouldn't be going the way they are. It's all in the wording of the questions. I wouldn't have known why these questions were being asked either, until I called Wolf about it.

Mike

[Joeram57]

To the original question:

Originally Posted by RavennaAl

What do you feel should be classified as the minimal regulation size for a board?

I would say 620...

And to Coach RIP,[ "Paralysis by analysis" the newbies get sooooo bogged down with the "so many ways/things" many walk away before they even get started.]

You hit the nail on the head...That is unfortunately, ME, just my nature, in everything I do, no one to blame but myself, haven't walked away yet, however, this morning I am seriously considering it, once again, NO ONE's fault, just my "nature" which may not be conducive to this hobby. It may just not be for me. It will be a tough decision as I enjoy it so much, however, on the other side of the coin, it can be over whelming, while trying to work, take care of Family needs, etc, etc, if one let's it get to that point and I let it...

My apologies for going off subject, however, RIP's "Paralysis by analysis" kinda just hit home...and to re-iterate, it's my current work environment (24x7) and MY personality that is the prob...like my wife has been saying for 31 years,must "suc" to be you.

THE MFCA IS GREAT AND SHOULD CONTINUE ON IT'S PATH, ONLY GOOD COMES OUT EVERYTHING THESE GUYS DO...and Oh yea, 620, minimal board size