WHO STACKS, AND WHO LAYS BACK

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,

This is just an overall hobby question

who allows stacks, and who plays open and layed back.
In your own opinion, does stacking hurt the running game in electric football.
Does stacking cause more of a traffic jam in the trenches.
Is stacking designed to help out the base in front of it.
If the qb just handed off the ball and got out of the way, would stacking be eliminated.
Is gap play where it should be.
Are the linebackers really doing there job, or are they just pushing a shopping cart down the isle in a supermarket.

Why stack, when each base should do there job own there own TWEAKED MERITS.

Bottom line, in your defensive schemes, why do you really stack. Im sure each coaches answer will be different

A question to ask your offensive and defensive lineman. Can you do the job(tweaked base) without the assistance of a fellow teammate. In the NFL, where do you see stacking unless its 1st and goal on the 1 yard line and closer. Or third and 1 or closer going for the first down.

Jusr curious as to why stacking is part of your everyday gameplan.


mantaraydre

[the french guy]

Here in France, we not allow stacking. You must have one base space in widht and 1/2 base lenght between two figures.


Because of that, we not allow defensive line to place their athletes in the holes between the 5 O linemen. All other figures not facing the 5 O linemen or facing the linemen BUT positionned on 2d or 3rd line can be placed the manner we want (even facing an hole).

[efgamer]

Any defensive formation should be allowed. You may want to stack to force your opponent to throw. You got to know your opponent and take away his strengths. That is football! Too many spacing requirements make for a lifeless game.

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,


This is what i like, diplomatic and informative responses. E-game, that is the first time i ever heard anyone say they will stack to force someone to throw, its usually to help stop a powerfull running team. But there are some deadly passers in the hobby. I guess you must pick and choose who you are forcing to throw the rock. for instance, if i were playing don Hudson out of texas, I want him running the ball every single down. he does not miss too many passes
thanx
mantaraydre

[the french guy]

In a way, stacking is a part of the game.

I explain, even if you use special rules for start positions, once the board is ON, if you know well your athletes, you can create stacking (classic example of a FB making the hole with the HB pushing it in the back).


But forbidden stacking at game positionning make interesting strategic challenge, in my opinion, and works great with the special rule for holes I explained.

In france, we're beginners...but we like to make our own rules soup too

[Reginald Rutledge]

can't pass, I will definitely stack.

Here are two different cases against me.

I played the Texas Longhorns last year in the CBSMF. Mike and I are mirror images of each other. What he knows, he learned from me. But he has taken the game to another level. So on Mike, I tried stacking in some cases, on crucial 3rd down plays to put extra pressure on the QB. He would hit a crucial pass which gave him new life or he scored.

Then at that point, I spread out to stop the run. When you do that, the running game opened so wide. When you play in a style that gets 80-100 plays, the opportunities to run the ball are many. Priest Holmes finished with more than 200 yards rushing on me. Those were design plays by Texas to put me in that position. At season's end, Priest Holmes had totaled more than 1600 yards rushing (in a stacking type of game).

Case 2
I played Mozeek in New York with his Oakland Raiders. In the opening half, I played more of an honest spread out defense. I would have a standard 4-3 with wide gaps to handle audibles. At the time, I had no scouting report on Mozeek and his style. In the opening half, his Raiders dominated us on the ground. I think in that opening half, between Van Eeghen, Bo Jackson, and Clarence Davis, he may have rushed for 300 yards on me. I still have nightmares of Van Eeghen first half massacre.

In the second half, I realized Mozeek could not hit the broadside of a barn. I held him scoreless and I racked up 49 points at the end of 3 quarters. When I realized he had some difficulty in the air, I (like any NFL coordinator) stacked up to stop the run. There is a skill in throwing that little felt ball and it's just not as easy as people think. Until he could prove it, why should I have to lower my standards of play and just let holes be open that real defensive coordinators would not let happen?

Another instance similar to the Oakland game just happened recently. The Florida Gators (Dru Sparks) ran roughshod over my team in the first half. I know my team was not as strong as Dru's as I had put the bases on just to play the game. I saw Dru was having trouble connecting on passes. He was leading 26-21 at the end of the half. Second half, I change strategies and stacked up to stop or slow down the run. By game's end, he had not scored and I had 16 unanswered points. I was able to run in the second half as I broke off long gainers and had nice holes from the West Coast schemes.

My opinion, stacking is something that should be allowed. It is allowed in the NFL but people who know how to run schemes to manuever against it always manage to do very well in this style of play. Those usually are the ones who can run and pass with equal ability. And that's kind of how it is in high school, the NCAA, and the NFL. There's nothing more fun than seeing a team stack up on you and you audible into play action and hit a man on an 80 yard skinny post.

The moral of the story is that Dru Sparks told me "Reg, you were not able to run on me in the game", and I told him, "Yeah Dru, but by the end of the day I've got 400 plus total yards with 300 passing and a 36-26 win".

[eflfanatic]

Any defensive formation should be allowed. You may want to stack to force your opponent to throw. You got to know your opponent and take away his strengths. That is football! Too many spacing requirements make for a lifeless game.

I got to be with efgamer on this one. Too many requirements make for a lifeless game.

[marty t]

WE TALK ABOUT IT OUT HERE ALL THE TIME AND WE STACK ONLY BEHIND THE NOSE TACKLE NOT EVERY MAN. STACKING SIMPLY SUCKS!! IT MAKES FOR A BULLY BALL GAME SCRUM ACTION!!! I CAN SEE 3RD AND INCHES OR SOMETHING BUT NOT EVERY PLAY. MAKE IT LIKE REAL FOOTBALL RUNNERS 5 YARDS BEHIND THE LINEMEN AND LET THE MEN PLAY THEIR POSITIONS STOP THE STACKING PLEASE OPEN THE PLAY SELECTION UP SO COACHES DON'T HAVE TO BE PASSING 100% OF THE TIME WHEN THEY DON"T WANT TO. AN OPEN OPINION.

[Reginald Rutledge]

will not stack!!!

The Shootout Rules were design to take advantage of a coaches skills. If he can pass with great accuracy, he can usually run. If he can not, then you will get stacked on! This is football! It happens in all levels of football every day. Until a QB proves he can throw the ball, the defense will stack.

And again, in the CBSMF, how can you justify a back gaining 1600 yards (Priest Holmes) against great competition if the running game was not possible. One thing I know is that guys want to be able to break off 15 yards and 20 yards per run. This style does not let that happen. If it happened, then the scores would be outrageous.

I just have always noticed in the past that when these types of discussions come up, you can usually check a person statistics and it will tell you whether he is okay with stacking or not. Ones who usually are against stacking have subpar passing games. In order to win in this CBSMF, I am sorry, but you better be able to pass or make steady improvements on your road to a championship. Once you learn how to pass with accuracy, please let people know that playing in the CBSMF made you work harder on your skill as a passer because until then, you will be stacked on! That's guaranteed!

The secret to stopping the stacking is the audible. If a team stacks to stop the run, the audible allows so many options either in the running game or passing game.

MantarayDre was speaking of a guy that is in the DFW area named Don Hudson. Hudson is an elite passer but many fail to mention his running backs lead the league many times averaging well over 120 yards rushing as well. Hudson, like many coaches who can pass, take what you give them. Many people are weak in understanding how to stop the pass in the Shootout style so usually it's wide open!!!

Increase your football intellect and maybe some good schemes can be played to limit passing yardage. But again, if its open, why run?

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,

It's true, once a coaches passing game is feared i think you will want to spread out a littlemore or get bombed to death. So lets talk pressure. The fast looper or the stack to get that extra push.

Shabby touched on the topic at one point, he said if you get to the qb in 1 second your dead. Thats pretty much true. A great passing game does open up the running game. But i really tink some coaches stack to keep the offense from pushing them downfield. Like if you played a jim davis, even if you know he is running, he still will push you back for first down yardage.

1) Who uses stacking for strategy ?

2)who's uses stacking to keep from getting steamrolled ?

I think what ef gamwer is getting at is on offense, when you say run, the qb and the 2 backs are so close they stack behind the o-line to create that 4th and inches on every play. the defense see that and stacks to keep from getting mauled in the trenches.

I think when you see an offensive stack, your natural instinct is to do the same that creates a rugby atomshphere.

Who else uses it for strategy. HOW DO YOU AUDIBLE TO OPEN THINGS UP ?


Mantaraydre