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Old 07-20-2007, 02:58 PM
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Is something that is disguised by being a regular TTC base. As long as the other team does not know what you have, it can be done. However, you have to have the right type of blockers with range.

In the DFW League, a great offensive line can usually hold the D-Line at bay for 2-3 seconds. Once this is done, things begin to break down.

What will happen with the prongless base is that the DL will push the players back into the QB to form a pocket. Some worry on the OLB making that push around end. Well, that's why you have backs to chip. And in some instances, you want the backs not to chip and instead flair out because there is usually open space out on the flanks. Then, the OLBs will have to stop the hard rush and place a premium on covering flair passes.

We do this all the time. I can only speak from the Shootout Rules perspective because things can be disguised so well in this type of play. Trust me, I know this works because I run this in my offensive schemes. Other coaches have not caught up to defensing the West Coast Offense and Prongless Base lines because with how the clocks are set up, the intensity of time is a factor to cover everything.

If I get some time, I will try to show you the prongless line and how it operates. The key is that the QB must be anywhere from 8-15 yards behind the line of scrimmage. If he's 8, you can throw short. If it's 15, you can probably get more separation between the man and defender.

One important thing in what we do. If a man is engaged, you can still throw to that man. So even if the D is getting pressure on the QB and I stop the board (even if the receiver is engaged), I can still throw to that man. The biggest problem is that only one good thing can happen (a reception) and 2 bad things can happen (interception or incomplete).

The prongless line, however, gives you an opportunity to get men upfield past the defenders because we all know, in miniature football, most guys run the defense straight towards the line, including the linebackers. The reason being is that for many, the forward pass is non-existent. For me, I welcome 7-8 in the box rushing straight upfield at me. You can set up screen passes, flairs, and post patterns more effectively. Trust me, there is so much that can be done.

Reg
your last paragraph covers a lot of what is seen on the field. with defenders all coming upfield, yes, getting behind them is really possible. I might have to try some of that during the pre-season (prongless bases that is) to see if it can work in BEFL.

Thanks Uncle Reggie

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Old 07-20-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default The Effectiveness of the Screen Pass

I was fortunate to play in this year's Super Bowl. I employed screen passes throughout the game. The play worked so well that Mike started dropping his LB's back in coverage. At that point, when he started playing dime packages, it opened up the running game so wonderfully that it was like watching a symphony orchestra play.

Whatever he guessed was not what happened. I remember on several plays, Mike would rush all out blitzing. I would have my prongless bases on except one the right guard would be on a regular TTC but turned backwards. The back would be audibled to go around end and the RG would pull. While this was occurring, the DL and LBs would go max blitz to try to get to the QB. With the aid of the RG pulling, I would swing the pass to the back. Defense reacted and Marion Barber was off to the races on an 79 yard swing pass down to the 1.

At the end of the game, Mike said he had no idea of how to stop anything that was coming at him. I do believe that if you've got time to prepare properly, realistic plays can be ran but your rules have to allow for that.

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Old 05-19-2008, 03:48 PM
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This is another old thread that I thought was relevant for new coaches.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:48 PM
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How do you make a prongless base?
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:36 PM
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Or you can do it yourself if you're smarter than a 5th grader.
  1. Turn the base upside down.
  2. Cut the prongs out!!!!!

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Old 05-19-2008, 09:38 PM
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Heck, I'll send you a dozen prongless bases for $59.99 and that includes shipping....
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:20 AM
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OK! I get It, prongless
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:22 AM
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You coaches have so many great schemes and ideas its no wonder we go back and forth on rules and how to play the game...

I have been watching and posting now for over 10 years and things just seem to get better and better.....

Keep up the good work coaches and play till you drop...

AJ
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