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[pit couture]

Originally Posted by Coach Rip

I can't believe what many of you are crying about. Some of us got caught with our hand in the cookie jar...............yes,.....I GOT CAUGHT TOO! I had a few conversations with the NFL about eight years ago. Their lawyer was pretty cool with me. She told me my web site violates their trademarks. She told me what to do,............. and IF I complied, ..............I would not have to worry about anything else..............guess what, ......I complied!!!

I got sooo many calls about who did it, who turned me in, .................and every time I told the caller, "I understand what they are doing, if I had a license or brand to protect, I would probably do the same." The callers could draw their own conclusion.

Many of us rationalize that it is ok to violate someone's property, ........

I see so much of "Hey, they make tons of money, why mess with me?" and "I'm/We are not hurting anyone/anything" ..........it all wreaks of "a sense of entitlement" ............... we ARE NOT ENTITLED!

I understand doing what we do, but for Christ's Sake, ..........stop crying when you get caught. They are protecting their property/investment!

It's like the DB who blatantly interferes with the receiver, and acts like he did nothing wrong, when called on it ......................and the other type, after getting called............. just smiles and admits his wrong doing.


Just man up, and change your way of doing business, or continued to get hassled and keep crying " poor pitiful me", .........hey, ..the definition of insanity is do the same thing again and again, and expecting a different outcome! ...................

The continued infringement from us (meaning the hobby), only gives the hobby a continuous black eye.

You are right !

[jeff]

Originally Posted by Coach Rip

I can't believe what many of you are crying about. Some of us got caught with our hand in the cookie jar...............yes,.....I GOT CAUGHT TOO! I had a few conversations with the NFL about eight years ago. Their lawyer was pretty cool with me. She told me my web site violates their trademarks. She told me what to do,............. and IF I complied, ..............I would not have to worry about anything else..............guess what, ......I complied!!!

I got sooo many calls about who did it, who turned me in, .................and every time I told the caller, "I understand what they are doing, if I had a license or brand to protect, I would probably do the same." The callers could draw their own conclusion.

Many of us rationalize that it is ok to violate someone's property, ........

I see so much of "Hey, they make tons of money, why mess with me?" and "I'm/We are not hurting anyone/anything" ..........it all wreaks of "a sense of entitlement" ............... we ARE NOT ENTITLED!

I understand doing what we do, but for Christ's Sake, ..........stop crying when you get caught. They are protecting their property/investment!

It's like the DB who blatantly interferes with the receiver, and acts like he did nothing wrong, when called on it ......................and the other type, after getting called............. just smiles and admits his wrong doing.


Just man up, and change your way of doing business, or continued to get hassled and keep crying " poor pitiful me", .........hey, ..the definition of insanity is do the same thing again and again, and expecting a different outcome! ...................

The continued infringement from us (meaning the hobby), only gives the hobby a continuous black eye.

stop using common sense to make your argument .

[CowboyMike]

Im not crying about anything. The fact that trademark contacted me is not what I'm upset about. I understand their point. I am upset with the fact that this individual singled me out and went as far as to email them about only me. Thats what I'm upset about. I have complide already and God willing it is settled now. Thanks
CowboyMike

[FrankB]

And i understand what coach RIP stated, but i think i feel like many of the other members here feel, and that is that its ashame someone from within our ranks would turn another member in. If Cowboy Mike was caught in any other way, thats one thing, but to be snitched on by another member is not a good feeling. IMO.

[Treks1]

Originally Posted by FrankB

And i understand what coach RIP stated, but i think i feel like many of the other members here feel, and that is that its ashame someone from within our ranks would turn another member in. If Cowboy Mike was caught in any other way, thats one thing, but to be snitched on by another member is not a good feeling. IMO.

Exactly.

[Coach Rip]

... to me this happened for Business purposes................ and so what is the difference between that,.......... and someone else who comes out with a like/same product and lowers the price to get/steal business from an established business??

The result is the same for the business, ........................Business/money is taken from one and funneled to another.

Someone can't compete on the same terms so he must resort to other means to get business.....sometimes even after there is an agreed upon price................whether it's turning someone in or undercutting prices.

It does not surprise me at all that someone within the ranks did this.

I have seen this with figures, hand painted teams, big boards, numbers, decals etc.

To many of you it's okay to go to a new guy with a lower price because you THINK you are getting a better deal, YOU are only thinking of yourself, and that is okay, but call it what it is.............then you cry when you don't get your stuff! .....................or better yet, the pain job sucks, or the stuff is junk!

I have been screwed more times in this hobby than that Porn Queen Jenna Jameson, ..........you fans of hers forgive me if I didn't spell her name correctly.. ....

To me it's all the same...........the old song from the OJ's " The BackStabbers" there are quite a few in this hobby.

The Ojays - Back Stabber @ Yahoo! Video

[Megawattz]

We're all rowing the same boat, for anyone here to use the Logo Cops, to settle a dispute or for any other reason, is crazy. Being approached is one thing, but to be pointed out is something entirely different, everybody here is guilty of the same thing I find it amazing that while there reporting u they pull out there custom NFL board with there custom NFL team to practice. I bet u, after they looked at his site, they looked at others that also came up when searched. So if u feel the need to snitch to the Logo Cops, call em on yourself and quit tryin to sink the ship! peace

[Vince148]

Another example of more stupid assenine laws that protect the rich and famous. As if they don't make enough money. I remember the first time I got a set of Strat-O-Matic cards where the team names were changed because of this stupidity. The NY Bombers, St Louis Red Birds, etc.. As if using a team name and their players is going to jeopardize the sport and salaries. Where does one draw the line on this nonsense? What's next...hauling off some 10 year old kid because he's playing whiffle ball in the back yard wearing a Yankee T-shirt he made with "Rodriguez 13" on it?

[MFCA Man]

Before this gets out of hand, please be aware of what image you are presenting to the general public. If there is a conflict between individuals, those parties involved need to keep it between themselves and not in view of the public forum. Thank you for your cooperation.

[larue]

George (Buzzball) has been in business long enough to know how the game is played,you can consider him an expert on the subject and I respect his opinion a great deal.What he has said here (although tough to take) is true and the way of the business world,you can't blame people for trying to protect what is theirs,I accept all that.What I cannot accept is the fact that someone takes it upon themselves to become the copyright police on our site and blow someone in.....that is out of bounds and a personal foul to all members of the MFCA.
Who ever is doing this has no business being a member of this organization and does not value our friendship. I don't know who you are but please take you mean spirited attitude else where...this site is for people who love the hobby and the all the great guys in it, get a life!.
Larue