I Hate the Box but I Can't Live...

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by Jamel_G

Welcome to the league Tom. I'm sure you will have a great experience.

The 2010 GLEFL
Lions

You betta' !

And I don't mean beat a dead horse!

PS. Wolf, I have to totally agree with you!

[Treks1]

Back to the box. I love the box, altough I have had MANY devistating calls go against me. It brings into the game a missing element that you would have in a real game. Personal fouls, holding calls, injuries and a few more turn-overs than you would have without it.

What used to bother me are the fumbles when a player is in the clear with no-one around him.

This was pretty unrealistic, however, in a real game how often do you see a back or a receiver break the line of scrimmage and there is no one around him for 10- 15 yards? It does happen, but not that often. Except when the board stops, miniature players don't pursue the ball, nor they reach out and punch the ball out of ball carriers' hand, or grab a face mask or hit a guy after the play is over. The box gives you most if not all of the intangible aspects of the game you just don't have without it.

Frankly the game was getting boring and predictable before the box came along. I don't think the box makes average coaches better. Practice, talent and experience will do that, but just like real football, a turnover or a penalty or even an injury can mean that the best team may not win.

If we take an honest look at the need for national set of rules, you have to consider some form of a shake box for the element it ads to a pretty static board game.

[Reginald Rutledge]

overcoming things like this. It does make sense and something I have always preached as well.

Steve, I remember so long ago you were not a "Box Man" as many were not but to see the words of "I love the Box" come out of you is why I continue to be that "monomaniac" the Tom spoke of early on in this post.

I just tell people over and over, "It's not as cheezy as they thought". Things do seem to occur like in reality but we know, these are inanimate objects so you will never cover all bases.

But just knowing you play in a system that can get you 80-100 plays (if the refs and statisticians are working), you know that if you keep poking at that ball, eventually you'll (shake the box) strip that ball.

In Texas, we will not play without the Box. Saturday, we spent about 1/2 hour in search of the box. We know how boring the game can get without the box so it is always important to have some type of box ready to be shook.

Reg

[MplsTom]

Jamel,

Thanks for the welcome and definitely looking forward to getting on the board with y'all. I'm the rookie/fresh meat so those Lions will be ready to feast.

A buddy I worked with who was from Detroit used to live and die with the Lions and he got the Velvet Lion / Jeff Garcia cartoon and the tiger roar picture so I felt compelled to share. They're both just plain wrong, but funny.

Please save another 0 for 10 and box dropped pass for your trip to Lambeau this fall!!!

You Michigan guys are great coaches and I envy your league comradarie and depth so this will be an awesome fall no matter what the scores are.

Tom

[Treks1]

Tom:

I think you are really going to enjoy the Great Lakes this year. Many coaches with new teams and a fresh new outlook. Could be the best season yet for the Great one!

[broncoman]

REG,you know how I feel about the box, you have seen me play with the BOX
and how it rips me a new one. KEN, you are right but I have lost more games here lately cause of the box near the end of games. one game particularly the 1st game of MTW LEAGUE. Ifeel you JAMEL.



BRONCOMAN

[Norbert Revels]

Originally Posted by sweetka

Just my perspective of when the box works against me I ask myself:

What are you made of?
When life throws a curve at you what do you do?
When things are going great and you hit a bump in the road do you stop/quit?
Is your cup half empty or half full?

In summary, sometimes you are up, sometimes you are down. What is your outlook when you are down? Do you get back up? or, do you curse your fate?
Reminds me of the game of life, so do you want to play?

I know one thing that's good about it. It gives guys a chance to beat me who wouldn't have a chance in hell otherwise. I like that challenge even when I come up short.

I welcome challenges, no questions asked.

That's the box, like it or not?

Play Ball!

Sha!

Norbert Revels

[sweetka]

Friday night I lost to both Jim and Norbert. For the first time in my life I quit out of frustration. I had several fumbles on plays that would have got me back in the game, numerous penalties, six in a row that committed personally. My day was horrible. My team was playing great but every time I got up the box knocked me back down. To add to that my game plan against Norbert totally sucked. Couple that with his great team and I lost by the largest margin that I could remember.

To sum it up I make enough mistakes on my own and that box piled on me to the tune of about 15-17 negative calls and the calls that went for me was Jim losing his QB for the game and another player for the game. We joked about what is he going to do switch boxes. Hopefully I'll catch the same breaks but to be honest I wouldn't want that to happen to none of my leaguemates.

I think that fumbles should only count when you make tackles, period. It is like Yahtzee when you get rewarded with something that in no way correlates with what happens on the field. I don't like going in the end zone uncontested and the board stops both disrupting your players run and then running back thirty yards to fumble. We average anything from 20-40 tackles a game. That's up to 40 opportunities for a fumble a game. One time I stopped the board for a fumble and Jim's man fell over right as he was cutting toward the end zone. He eventually scored but what if he didn't?

The passing box is now a total contradiction to the fumble rule because there is no way possible to throw an INT even if a guy is sitting directly to the right or left of the player. The 12 means nothing unless someone is in the path but you can fumble with both double 1's and double 2's. I think that needs to be corrected. 12 should be an INT no matter what. In hindsight the rule should have been left alone. Reginald put those rules in for a reason and it is clear to me that they should have simpley been left alone. This ruleset is designed for small tweaks, not modification.

I could afford to lose to both Jim and Norbert because it will all come down to taking care of business in my own division. The positive is that I learned a lot about my team and the potential of OSU is tremendous.

The negative is that in week one the rules for the passing box was 8-12 for interceptions which meant that I would have had four interceptions. After that the rule was modified so now Jim has total control of risking an interception. Us TTQB passers do not. The recipient of that first week gift was the commissioner, now it seems twisted and overcompensated for Jim's opponents. Jim and I talked about this so don't expect or look at this as a knock on him.

I think that last year was more fun and if winning becomes the only factor for playing then I am out after this year. Some of the modifications clearly suggest that to me.

Just my thoughts.

[Norbert Revels]

How many bad shakes did you have, 2, 5, 6 or *17* ?

Norbert

[mantaraydre]

KEN,


iTS JUST HOW THIS STYLE GOES, I saw the box do damage in the bam this weekend. I agree, i think a fumble should occur if a player is tackled. it would simulate the ball being stripped or the player being hit hard and the ball is knocked out. It does make sense.


BUT I WILL ADMITT, THE BOX IS GREAT FOR THE GAME. IT CAN CHANGE THINGS IN A SECOND. ANYBODY CAN LOSE AT ANYTIME IN THIS STYLE. NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE.


MANTARAYDRE