On any Given Day: Anybody can lose in the CBSMF

[Jim Davis]

I LOVE THE BOX ,NOT BECAUSE I BEAT NORBERT WITH IT (WITH OUT IT NORBERT WOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME) BUT IT MAKES THE GAME FUN TO ME AND FAIR SO EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME, THATS WHY I LOVE THE BOX AND EVEN IF IT GOES AGAINST ME I STEEL LOVE THE BOX !

SO WITH OUT THE BOX THE SO SO COACHES WOULD NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN A GAME VS A TOP RANK COACH.......... BUT THATS JUST ME.


SO JUST AND LIVE WITH IT AND HAVE FUN WITH IT.

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by Norbert Revels

, we need a icon to show grey tape around the mouth, mine is coming off.

P.S. In my game against Jim, the box rolled 4 fumbles against me , 3 of the 4 fumbles were TD's .

P.S. I have a question, has any coaches stop playing the game because of the box ?, I want stop, but on the 4th fumble against me, I walked away from the table towards the street and had a smoke, I didn't call a timeout or anything, the guys didn't say a word cause they knew that was (clean word here) MESSED up..

Norbert Revels
Pro Prospects

The Friday Night Meltdown!

I was done right there. But it was right there that I started realizing I couldn't just settle anymore for the level of play I was at. It just seems to rear it's ugly head against me at the worst moments. Just got to up the level of play.

[Norbert Revels]

Originally Posted by sweetka

The Friday Night Meltdown!

I was done right there. But it was right there that I started realizing I couldn't just settle anymore for the level of play I was at. It just seems to rear it's ugly head against me at the worst moments. Just got to up the level of play.

I allmost lost it, ask Jim, he told me he saw that look I have when I'm REALLY ********ed off, so he backed off laughing and pickin at me, that Jim was nailin me though,.........I tell you what, that dam box allmost ended up 6 backyards over,.......................my P.S. question was has any coach stop playing the game period because of the box ?, if so, maybe we should limit the bad things that can happen to a offense or defense,......like 2 fumbles a game or whatever, if not, I'm cool with it, you just gotta buckle up and play D.

Norbert Revels

[Shabby J]

I like the box the way it is, as when I came out of solitaire play and learned a competition ruleset three years ago this is what I learned.

Those who are not happy with the fumble rate but like the box in general, can just stop using the 2 six sided dice for the fumble and maybe add a 20 sided in its place and figure out a fumble factor using that die instead.

It still gives the randomness of the box but can reduce the fumble percentage to where you are happy.

[Reginald Rutledge]

where I have had 4 fumbles, a couple of interceptions, and penalties and I never complain about that. I think when you and I played, I had 3 fumbles and two interceptions. That's about 5 turnovers.

So many times, when it happens to the other coach, we laugh at that just looking at it as bad luck (but still a part of the game). When it happens to oneself, it cause an ire that makes us want to consider changing the rules.

You know, the great Len Dawson once fumbled the ball 7 times in a football game in the NFL. Brett Favre thew a record 6 interceptions in a playoff game before.

Sometimes, these things happen. I've been playing this style long enough to know that there are ways we have always separated this from happening. I know many have talked about shaking the box on every play. I have always argued that the shake should be at the discretion of the coach. This is where the experience and luck comes in to play. These are vital mental advantages of why one coach may be more experienced than another coach. Many people want to argue that everyone should shake it on every play. I totally disagree for that simple reason of the differences between great coaches and average coaches. The great coaches know when to shake the box. The others use futile attempts to even up the score.

I have seen games where you can get a rash of fumbles or injuries or penalties and I have seen games where there are no fumbles or injuries or 1 penalty. Never have I wanted to adjust the probability because I would have a lesser chance to lose. I just roll with the punches. I take the barbs, ridicule, and laughter of the Peanut Gallery and know that, "Let's see how they will handle it when it works against them".

Reg

[sweetka]

Like everything else. It's just sometimes it really gets the better of you.

It's like being the Lions coach during the 0-16 season for some games but you play on.

I got a fumble recovery on a third and 20 with my team making a play. Heck, they just seem to come when I have already stopped you. Come to think of it, I probably still don't shake it nearly as much as I should. Maybe some of that bad Karma will rub off on my opponent.

Anyways, on to the next.

[Reginald Rutledge]

It does get you. I feel sorry for guys when they are having fumbulitis! It's one of the worst feelings in the Shootout world. I've lost two Super Bowls when I went around end on a sweep and the runner gets into the open field to go untouched only to have the coach shake the box and a fumble happens.

You never get over that! It is enough to make you walk out the room but it's like a drug. You play on because you're thinking somewhere down the line, lady-luck will even out the score. Coaches like Norbert are so good that you feel that they can still figure out a way to manage the turnovers and walk away with a win.

Sometimes, the turnover ratio can be so great. It can be difficult to overcome. I just tell a cat like Norby, "Hang in there and trust the system. It's 50-50 and it will eventuually break your way too". Sometimes you've just got to take the good games with the bad games.

One thing that I do know. The best thing to do is try and matriculate that field as fast as possible. The longer your offense is out on the field, the greater the chance of something happening. That's where we laugh and talk about the "Undisciplined teams" getting the ball stripped or illegal procedure which may stall a drive or give a drive new life. Tell Norbert hang in there and keep playing hard and he will be okay.

[Norbert Revels]

Originally Posted by Reginald Rutledge

It does get you. I feel sorry for guys when they are having fumbulitis! It's one of the worst feelings in the Shootout world. I've lost two Super Bowls when I went around end on a sweep and the runner gets into the open field to go untouched only to have the coach shake the box and a fumble happens.

You never get over that! It is enough to make you walk out the room but it's like a drug. You play on because you're thinking somewhere down the line, lady-luck will even out the score. Coaches like Norbert are so good that you feel that they can still figure out a way to manage the turnovers and walk away with a win.

Sometimes, the turnover ratio can be so great. It can be difficult to overcome. I just tell a cat like Norby, "Hang in there and trust the system. It's 50-50 and it will eventuually break your way too". Sometimes you've just got to take the good games with the bad games.

One thing that I do know. The best thing to do is try and matriculate that field as fast as possible. The longer your offense is out on the field, the greater the chance of something happening. That's where we laugh and talk about the "Undisciplined teams" getting the ball stripped or illegal procedure which may stall a drive or give a drive new life. Tell Norbert hang in there and keep playing hard and he will be okay.

Hang in there you say,........no need for that type of talk youngfella, Norbert is one of the top coaches in the country in ALL styles of play,........I allmost still won the game (with 4 fumbles), that was due to my coaching, my team and ability to think quick and make adjustments as time is running,.......not to mention the best passer in the country under preasure, just think, I'm playing with miggle bigmen figures REG, and still scoring over 30 a game, I don't have any pretty customs or holders on my team, just wait till next year though, I will have grabbers and a full team of customs.

Norbert Revels
Pro Prospects.

[Hook'em Horns]

WOW!!! I love this thread.

Most guys only feel like it helps the offense because drives are allowed to continue on defensive penalties and most defensive penalties result in a 1st down. You never really worry about it offensively because you still have the ball and more often than not with the exception of a fumble you don't lose your opportunity to put points on the board. So it seems as if it hurts the defense more. The better way to look at it is that it helps both coaches rather than looking at it from an offensive and defensive perspective.

I've seen interceptions dropped. I've seen holding on the defense on a crucial 3rd down. In fact my first ever super bowl win was against Oscar Woodard. I was up by 5 points with less than a minute to go. He threw the game winning touchdown and the was shaken! It was a 6-6 on the offense the play was brought back and he failed to score. I won my first super bowl on an offensive push off by the wide receiver! haha

It helps both sides of the ball and the reality of it is that when you tense up and began to worry about the box effecting you it seems like that's when it really gets hot. haha

The box is great the way it is. If you start messing with the integrity of the box and allow changes then you will increase the odds of a lot more things happenining. If you ever took the time to count the number of shakes per game and divided that by the number of times action occured on the box you will find out that it is a very small percentage. Even more so...divide it by the number of penalties or fumbles that occur during the course of game. That would be even lower. What happens is that it always seems like it happens at the most critical time. It happens that way because of the "law of averages". By the 4th quarter we would have shaken the box so many times, it is highly likely that a critical double is about to hit. It's the law! You can't change it.

You gotta love it and there is strategy to overcome it but not to get around it.

However, what I would like to see happen is that at the end of the game coaches have the opportunity to kneel on the ball. I've seen shakes at the end of the game that cause fumbles and the coach that would have lost if "the kneel" was an option wind up getting an extra opportunity and winning the game. It was exciting when it happened but looking back on it and the way the game is played now...I'd like to see the kneel option implimented.

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by Norbert Revels

Hang in there you say,........no need for that type of talk youngfella, Norbert is one of the top coaches in the country in ALL styles of play,........I allmost still won the game (with 4 fumbles), that was due to my coaching, my team and ability to think quick and make adjustments as time is running,.......not to mention the best passer in the country under preasure, just think, I'm playing with miggle bigmen figures REG, and still scoring over 30 a game, I don't have any pretty customs or holders on my team, just wait till next year though, I will have grabbers and a full team of customs.

Norbert Revels
Pro Prospects.

If you count slightly melting the arms so that those guys with Harpoons for arms doesn't get them.

All jokes aside. I play with buzzball stock and Haiti Repro. The only thing I do is drop the arms down based upon the rules. It's amazing what you can do with customs but can't do with stock. But that is another story.

Norbert you are right to toot your horn a bit. That passing display yesterday says a great deal and you are one talented dude, especially offensively.

I think Mike made a great point when he stated to leave it the way it is. The Pisarcek (Pardon my spelling) analogy was great. Kneel, game over, run fumble!

I would like to play one league that doesn't use the box and one that does to get that balance. You really do have to up your game though. There are people with a lot of time and determination right now. I am trying to get to that point but until I retire like Jimmy I'm not losing in other areas to win at this game. But I will surely continue to try.