Football use, what the diff does it make?

[RooMorgans]

I stopped using the larger footballs because on short passes, I got tired of knocking my receivers over with it when they caught it.

If you were using the pass targets, then I don't know why there'd be any reason to not use it other than preference.

I came up throwing the old Miggle foam ball, and still do.

In the BMEFA days, I don't ever recall us having a rule about what footballs could or could not bve used.

Ed

[Geno H]

Originally Posted by Pirate Rick

No not correct at all... with a defender in its face the ttqb has a even harder time throwing due to its arm location.

you have to lean it over to throw and a defender right in front of the qb does not allow it to lean...so you have to try and wiggle it around at weird angles to throw.

the tdq on the other hand just drops over the defender due to its arm location and can still pass..

but like i said.. its here...its accepted... i have to deal with it...not everyone is going to like everything there is to use, but i have seen it help out the coach who uses it here and it has made him a big threat now as to where before he could not hit a buffalo with a bazooka.

still no knock on the product. it does what its supposed to do, and at least you put yourself out there to create something for the betterment of our hobby.

Gotcha! Thanks for the healthy civil discussion. Oh and the coach that it helped..........


Geno H

[wayneinsf]

I think that the TDK is the best upgrade for EF special teams and made kicking fun. I could never kick using the older TTQB kicking option just couldn't get it to work consistently.

[FrustratedFinFan]

I'm the coach that the TDQ helped in California Geno. I love how it levels the playing field. I get very little opportunity to practice, so that made EF life difficult. I have always had strong defense, but my offense needed a boost and passing is where it's at! The TDQ still requires practice and aim, but since the design makes the throws consistent the learning curve is not nearly as steep. I now can regularly hit even the long throws....the TDQ arm position hasn't helped all that much and I really don't see the TTQB having much difficulty with its arm position either. People bend down the front arms and move the platform back on longer boat bases to get advantage too.

Oh...and the TDK is great too. No longer does a coach have to fiddle and experiment with a dozen or more kickers to get that special kicker. Buy one TDK and you are set.

[david]

Hey guys, I don't think it makes a difference what ball you use because once he completes the pass the defense will have to make the tackle. So to me it doesn't matter if it's pass placement, ball on the string (like we use in our league), or pass with a TC quarterback. If he catch it he can get hit. The majority of the guys just like to play and they all agree Bring it, Don't sing it. This is David Nickles from the deep south, where we hit each other in the mouth.

[the french guy]

ball on the string (like we use in our league)

What is that technic, please ?

thanks

[Joeram57]

A short story from a "newbie" not too long ago...

I use the big "pill" ball only because it doesn't fall apart like the current Miggle one's. I have seen older, I guess, Miggle or Tudor balls that are really good. Had one given to me by Geno and he agreed, mine were not good. So if I could get the smaller balls that don't quickly become navel lint, I'd use em...

Now, on the TDQ vs TTQB debate, I'll share the opinion of someone who's "at it" a little over 1 1/2 in a lot of league play down south (me), and of course just my opinion as stated.

When I started, I had never thrown a TTQB pass as I used dice as a kid playin solitaire and it had been 30 years since I saw EF. Having the horrible felt footballs and a 1969 TTQB I had a hard time just getting the ball to come off the arm.

I did not want to use the sticks in league play, as I wanted more control of the outcome. I heard about the TDQ, got one, and I was at least able to get the ball in the air and a chance for a completion or interception...I still did not pass well until I practiced and was helped w/ball placement, angle etc from Geno @Miggle last year. I am still no where near the level of throwing as the guys in my league who throw with a TTQB. Point being, you still have to practice.

I can now pass just as good or bad with a TTQB and use it for my "leaning" throws. The trick is, if you have to use the TTQB it is best to have an old one...(not sure of timeline)...I had both Joel and Geno check the old ones I had and they said they were, ah, OK.

So, bottomline, I think, if you are going to ban certain "stuff", perhaps you can help a new guy get the same "stuff" you are using and maybe spend 15-30 minutes filling them in on some basic tips for throwing if you want them to stay. After that, it's up to them to practice a bit or a lot depending on there schedule.

For me, as I only had 3 weeks when I started to build a team, learn how to tweak, rules, pass, strategy, etc. etc, the TDQ helped keep me interested.

Now, it doesn't matter, I'll play any weight, any style, any rules as long as the rules are the same for all. I am equally as bad in any ruleset as the only constant is ME as the coach I certainly don't mind winning, but hangin w/friends, meeting new friends, laughing, etc. is really what I look forward to.

[detroitchild]

Well said Joe!

Originally Posted by Joeram57

A short story from a "newbie" not too long ago...

I use the big "pill" ball only because it doesn't fall apart like the current Miggle one's. I have seen older, I guess, Miggle or Tudor balls that are really good. Had one given to me by Geno and he agreed, mine were not good. So if I could get the smaller balls that don't quickly become navel lint, I'd use em...

Now, on the TDQ vs TTQB debate, I'll share the opinion of someone who's "at it" a little over 1 1/2 in a lot of league play down south (me), and of course just my opinion as stated.

When I started, I had never thrown a TTQB pass as I used dice as a kid playin solitaire and it had been 30 years since I saw EF. Having the horrible felt footballs and a 1969 TTQB I had a hard time just getting the ball to come off the arm.

I did not want to use the sticks in league play, as I wanted more control of the outcome. I heard about the TDQ, got one, and I was at least able to get the ball in the air and a chance for a completion or interception...I still did not pass well until I practiced and was helped w/ball placement, angle etc from Geno @Miggle last year. I am still no where near the level of throwing as the guys in my league who throw with a TTQB. Point being, you still have to practice.

I can now pass just as good or bad with a TTQB and use it for my "leaning" throws. The trick is, if you have to use the TTQB it is best to have an old one...(not sure of timeline)...I had both Joel and Geno check the old ones I had and they said they were, ah, OK.

So, bottomline, I think, if you are going to ban certain "stuff", perhaps you can help a new guy get the same "stuff" you are using and maybe spend 15-30 minutes filling them in on some basic tips for throwing if you want them to stay. After that, it's up to them to practice a bit or a lot depending on there schedule.

For me, as I only had 3 weeks when I started to build a team, learn how to tweak, rules, pass, strategy, etc. etc, the TDQ helped keep me interested.

Now, it doesn't matter, I'll play any weight, any style, any rules as long as the rules are the same for all. I am equally as bad in any ruleset as the only constant is ME as the coach I certainly don't mind winning, but hangin w/friends, meeting new friends, laughing, etc. is really what I look forward to.

[Shabby J]

Joeram57, a little tip on the ball troubles you mentioned. You can try using Miggle-Tudor foam balls or if using the felts, rather vintage or new, hit them with some hairspray.
You can also brush on a little ModgePodge, that will keep them together and stop them from coming apart.