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[Pirate Rick]

Just throwing this out there....

How about electing a core group of people from each region, the most respected and UNBIASED people we have in each area, (for example, to rep the east beenutt, to rep the west celo, etc ) and have them assemble either online or in person bringing with them the rules thier league plays by.

All the rules can be looked at and the best from EACH RULESET hashed together into one final WORLDWIDE ruleset, the best of the best as it were.

This way all rules get looked at and voted on by OUR OWN represenatives and a FAIR and HONEST ruleset with no bias to ANY ONE RULESET will be born.

this NEW rules set can then become the STANDARD rules set that ALL leagues and tournaments play by who want to be a part of the offical MFCA WORLD LEAGUE and points can be awarded as previously discused.

this would be nice to be able to travel from LA to say.. pittsburgh and already know the rules...no guessing, no having to waste time learning a new rules set, just break em out and set em up !

What ya think??

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by mozeek

What Is SO wrong with the what the MFCAL is doing? Why not keep it like it is and then the final two competitors playing in the championship game choose the ruleset.....We already have a system in place just honor it.......but like Dre said TURN THE KEY...somebody do something......

They will be revised and that will be posted. I fully believe in unrestricted play as much as possible. Most rules regarding spacing, motions, and other aspects are mainly contrived by those excessively competitive trying to cripple other coaches or gain an advantage. I have seen rule champions crowned because rules were created to benefit only them, or take away from a coach they can't defeat.

Sometimes patience is important. Many seem to forget that that championship game clearly overshadowed any other event at the tourney. That is progress. I was in the CBSMF but still wound up being the points CPC Champion. Last I heard I was still the Commissioner of the MFCAL.

I have already decided to dedicate myself to improving on what I feel is a great tourney which will soon be second to none. No politics, No favortism, No clicks. Just fellowship. Sure we had a ruleset but I had my team and my opponent had to use someone else's to play. As Commissioner I had to set the example of both fellowship and sportmanship. For me, it was VERY, VERY important to be selfless and the only way I could see doing that is by leveling the playing field. So I gave Corey his ruleset. The passing rule killed me but that went with my decision. It was clearly the most exciting game played the entire weekend. There was also a clear disparity in the talent level, no offense, so the passing rule made up for that. These things need to be weighed in the best interest of fairness because Corey could not play his team due to the difference in weight. I am currently not playing in the Great Lakes because I want to commit my MF time toward this event.

My job will be to find the fairest way for all to compete but please understand that this will not be done on demand or overnight. Then we have to present to information to the board. I understand "turn the key" but the motor is already running so don't mess up your starter.

We shall look toward increasing the pace without having to take a shower at the end of every game.

We shall continue to allow coaches to level the playing rule with "just cause" like with Corey and I.

We shall not buy into leaning towards an individual style because it is clearly unfair to those that don't play it five years. The rules adjustment will be simple with minimal restrictions.

The focus is on making sure that anyone that shows up has an opportunity to play for the title. You have your fellowship (CPC), Tourney (Miggle Syle), League Champions, and MFCAL champions. That's four opportunites to get in if we can pull this off. Thats's the hope for our next tourney. If everyone would put down their preferences and act like it's Miggle or Buzzball or whatever, then no less than 70 coaches should show up.

Please provide feedback on that. Thanks

[RooMorgans]

It just seems to me that part of the fun of traveling to tournaments, and for those that travel for leagues, is playing by different rules sets.

Having an established rules set for an MFCA League Final/Playoffs, or "the" MFCA Tournament, etc., is a fine idea and it's totally cool to be like the Direct TV Russian guy and jump in it.

But, I'm not sure it's the MFCA's place to tell the DC folks how to run the Beltsville Bash, or the Vegas folks how to run a tournament. I'm not sure that's what we're getting at here. But if we are, I'm not sure it's a good idea.

Remember, the more you standardize, the more it's going to cost folks who are farther away from whatever that standard is to comply. And the more it costs those folks, the less likely they are to participate. Teams are built for rules sets. If people have to completely change the way they play the game, they A) may not be able to afford it, and B) may not see the fun in it. Either outcome is a killer.

Having a national rules set and enforcing it on every tournament is futile if we only end up with 5 players jumping in it.

I think we're likely on the right path, let's just not high jump before we can crawl.

Ed

[Megawattz]

Originally Posted by RooMorgans

It just seems to me that part of the fun of traveling to tournaments, and for those that travel for leagues, is playing by different rules sets.

Having an established rules set for an MFCA League Final/Playoffs, or "the" MFCA Tournament, etc., is a fine idea and it's totally cool to be like the Direct TV Russian guy and jump in it.

But, I'm not sure it's the MFCA's place to tell the DC folks how to run the Beltsville Bash, or the Vegas folks how to run a tournament. I'm not sure that's what we're getting at here. But if we are, I'm not sure it's a good idea.

Remember, the more you standardize, the more it's going to cost folks who are farther away from whatever that standard is to comply. And the more it costs those folks, the less likely they are to participate. Teams are built for rules sets. If people have to completely change the way they play the game, they A) may not be able to afford it, and B) may not see the fun in it. Either outcome is a killer.

Having a national rules set and enforcing it on every tournament is futile if we only end up with 5 players jumping in it.

I think we're likely on the right path, let's just not high jump before we can crawl.

Ed

were not asking any tourney to change what there doing or there rules, whats being put forth is a way to address the issues u stated your self. ie. rule sets, teams & or both. Every league or Tourney will continue un interupted as is, those coaches, that choose to participate will use those travel dates, already established, as a vehicle for a national effort. Resulting in more interest & growing participation, to those said events. A basic rule set is needed to facilitate fare play & an equal playing field. Rick has it, he sees the true nature, and benefits of what I'm proposing.

[WEIRDWOLF]

Rick's MFCA World League idea isn't far off from what I envision. Any league can enter the MFCA World League with whatever rules they want to play, but they must know that the final championship tourney of the MFCA World league will be played under the official MFCA Rules (whatever these are). Some established leagues may want to ad a separate season based around these rules and new leagues may opt for this rule set just so that they can be up and ready for the MFCA World Finals! Simple and very possible to do.

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by RooMorgans

It just seems to me that part of the fun of traveling to tournaments, and for those that travel for leagues, is playing by different rules sets.

CPC is designed for that if it is your flavor. It will always get you an opportunity in the semis.

Having an established rules set for an MFCA League Final/Playoffs, or "the" MFCA Tournament, etc., is a fine idea and it's totally cool to be like the Direct TV Russian guy and jump in it.

This would be for the Miggle Like Tourney which a champion will get you in the Semis. That's my thoughts

But, I'm not sure it's the MFCA's place to tell the DC folks how to run the Beltsville Bash, or the Vegas folks how to run a tournament. I'm not sure that's what we're getting at here. But if we are, I'm not sure it's a good idea.

To Clarify, we have no intention on telling you how to qualify until you get to where we hold the tourney. The intention is to reward those champions with higher seedings in the Miggle like tourney

Remember, the more you standardize, the more it's going to cost folks who are farther away from whatever that standard is to comply. And the more it costs those folks, the less likely they are to participate. Teams are built for rules sets. If people have to completely change the way they play the game, they A) may not be able to afford it, and B) may not see the fun in it. Either outcome is a killer.

The only ruleset I see as standardizing is the tourney rules once you get to the tournament. If you want to use those rules to prepare your team for the tournament it is encouraged. Our focus is to support those toruneys, Like Beltsville, then reward them with higher seeding for winning. We don't intend on enforcing our rules on any established tournament unless we run them ourselves.

Having a national rules set and enforcing it on every tournament is futile if we only end up with 5 players jumping in it.

Please see the previous response. Just know that our national tournament must have rules.

I think we're likely on the right path, let's just not high jump before we can crawl.

Please understand if you don't have a goal then you are wasting your time. If we have a tournament it is my PERSONAL belief that provide opportunity for all. We are not jumping, but that is the goal.

Ed

Hope this helps

[Megawattz]

Originally Posted by Pirate Rick

Just throwing this out there....

How about electing a core group of people from each region, the most respected and UNBIASED people we have in each area, (for example, to rep the east beenutt, to rep the west celo, etc ) and have them assemble either online or in person bringing with them the rules thier league plays by.

All the rules can be looked at and the best from EACH RULESET hashed together into one final WORLDWIDE ruleset, the best of the best as it were.

This way all rules get looked at and voted on by OUR OWN represenatives and a FAIR and HONEST ruleset with no bias to ANY ONE RULESET will be born.

this NEW rules set can then become the STANDARD rules set that ALL leagues and tournaments play by who want to be a part of the offical MFCA WORLD LEAGUE and points can be awarded as previously discused.

this would be nice to be able to travel from LA to say.. pittsburgh and already know the rules...no guessing, no having to waste time learning a new rules set, just break em out and set em up !

What ya think??

thats it Rick! the ball in those "HEADS OF STATE" all supporting 1 goal. Keep what u have locally, I'm not proposing any changes in your current systems. Also this would take advantage of already established tournament dates, fueling more participation, at said tourneys.

[detroitchild]

...ruleset for the MFCAL. I don't think it should be imposed on those tourneys that are already up and running but everyone should come to Canton expecting to play under the same ruleset every year, just like Miggle.

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by detroitchild

...ruleset for the MFCAL. I don't think it should be imposed on those tourneys that are already up and running but everyone should come to Canton expecting to play under the same ruleset every year, just like Miggle.

But there is only an imposition at the tournament, not before. If you like the ruleset, use it, if not just prepare for the changes.

[detroitchild]

Originally Posted by sweetka

But there is only an imposition at the tournament, not before. If you like the ruleset, use it, if not just prepare for the changes.

I agree! I'm open minded so I'm going in whatever direction you take this thing Ken. I just hope that everyone understands that they all can't be accommodated. "Build it and they will come!"