Let's Redesign the TTQB!

[Anthony D Burgess]

Well Kansas Bill, it would seem that Childslovegame, and Mantaray-Dre understand

That is the point, get it ???? or maybe you need a translator

Prejudice: Preconceived judgment or opinion with out just grounds or without sufficient knowledge.

Covet: To desire what belongs to another, an inordinate desire .

Many have a predjudice to other forms of passing that will allow for balanced and playable format for all. They covet there way of passing knowing full well that they will win a lot of games while others are learning how to pass.

They want to be the big fish in a little pond. Not knowing that the new coach may infact get frustrated and leave the hobby. It is really a selfish attitude not to consider others and what is best for them just so you can keep you're dominance over them.

Why redesign something that henders new coaches from entering this hobby because it is clear that this is one reason why the growth is slow. You will not solve the issue of advancing this hobby by redesigning something that the people outside of this hobby do not like and view as dumb.

Now if you remember there is something called freedom of speach and expression, it gives people the right to either show there intelligence or stupidity.

Example: "Whites only" was once a sign posted outside of some establishments. So is this to say that Black's $$$ was not to be accepted ?

" There will never be a Black QB in the NFL " Was this to say that a Black athlete could not throw a pass like a White QB ?

Hey, If you don't pass with the TTQB then you're not going to win, or be a good coach ?

Now I understand that this post was about redesigning the TTQB, but what about redesigning the way you see the game and it's future.

I'm thinking about the future of this hobby, what are you thinking about ?

Evolution : A process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more relative peaceful social advance. Modifications in successive generation.

Everything has evolved in this hobby, everything but the minde set of the people who play it .

Not a Sermon, just a thought rtfl$ rtfl$

[Raven maniac]

As much as I like the TTQB of the 70's. Why not work with the concept of the old metal TTQB. It was spring loaded and had some good zip to it. So Reg with your engineering mind why not work with that QB.

Darrian

[Kansas Bill]

Originally Posted by Anthony D Burgess

Well Kansas Bill, it would seem that Childslovegame, and Mantaray-Dre understand

That is the point, get it ???? or maybe you need a translator

Prejudice: Preconceived judgment or opinion with out just grounds or without sufficient knowledge.

Covet: To desire what belongs to another, an inordinate desire .

Many have a predjudice to other forms of passing that will allow for balanced and playable format for all. They covet there way of passing knowing full well that they will win a lot of games while others are learning how to pass.

They want to be the big fish in a little pond. Not knowing that the new coach may infact get frustrated and leave the hobby. It is really a selfish attitude not to consider others and what is best for them just so you can keep you're dominance over them.

Why redesign something that henders new coaches from entering this hobby because it is clear that this is one reason why the growth is slow. You will not solve the issue of advancing this hobby by redesigning something that the people outside of this hobby do not like and view as dumb.

Now if you remember there is something called freedom of speach and expression, it gives people the right to either show there intelligence or stupidity.

Example: "Whites only" was once a sign posted outside of some establishments. So is this to say that Black's $$$ was not to be accepted ?

" There will never be a Black QB in the NFL " Was this to say that a Black athlete could not throw a pass like a White QB ?

Hey, If you don't pass with the TTQB then you're not going to win, or be a good coach ?

Now I understand that this post was about redesigning the TTQB, but what about redesigning the way you see the game and it's future.

I'm thinking about the future of this hobby, what are you thinking about ?

Evolution : A process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more relative peaceful social advance. Modifications in successive generation.

Everything has evolved in this hobby, everything but the minde set of the people who play it .

Not a Sermon, just a thought rtfl$ rtfl$

Don't need a translator.. Knew exactly what I was reading..

Bottom line..
If you can't put your thoughts into the right words..
That's not my problem...

My problem.. (obviously).. is the inability to read it and move on, or just skip it like so many others do.

Childs love touched on your writing style.. so ya.. he gets it..

Andre?.. I chuckled at the talk of people "blatantly" excluding this or that.. there isn't a league out there (Cept maybe the DFW guys who just wanna play) who doesn't exclude stuff..

OH and the PM...
Again, you're free to think as you want to..
But.. 8-10 steps behind you in the thinking department?

[Michigan Joe]

Anthony- come on man lighten up man, people can play however they want and it in no way reflects a predudice as the awful examples of predudice that you stated. Its their league, their homes, their hobby. If I were to play with the guys from Detroit I'd be happy to play "their way" and when I go to Texas I play SHOOTOUT style and I love it. If I lived down the street from you I'm sure we'd be friends and I'd love to play you in a game of MPFL.

I think your system is really cool and especialy the pass simulation concept is really great! I have your DVD so I can say that with "knowledge". I especially like the way you created a mechanism to put the ball "in the air" to make it feel more air born. I had some people over this weekend and they are "newbies" and they used the passing sticks for 3 days, but on the 4th day you know what, they started pulling out the TTQB and I noticed they enjoyed the ability of making that accurate pass. They missed a lot but I gave them 2 attempts each pass. When I play people I want to have fun so if they want to play TTQB AND sticks thats cool with me! All inclusive!

Back to the point of the thread, I guess I need to find me a good old school TTQB because I love "drilling the pill" and my current TTQBs aren't consistently holding up. Maybe I'll tinker with the new ones to find a simple solution, because I have about 10 broken ones.
Joe

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by Michigan Joe

Anthony- come on man lighten up man, people can play however they want and it in no way reflects a predudice as the awful examples of predudice that you stated. Its their league, their homes, their hobby. If I were to play with the guys from Detroit I'd be happy to play "their way" and when I go to Texas I play SHOOTOUT style and I love it. If I lived down the street from you I'm sure we'd be friends and I'd love to play you in a game of MPFL.

I think your system is really cool and especialy the pass simulation concept is really great! I have your DVD so I can say that with "knowledge". I especially like the way you created a mechanism to put the ball "in the air" to make it feel more air born. I had some people over this weekend and they are "newbies" and they used the passing sticks for 3 days, but on the 4th day you know what, they started pulling out the TTQB and I noticed they enjoyed the ability of making that accurate pass. They missed a lot but I gave them 2 attempts each pass. When I play people I want to have fun so if they want to play TTQB AND sticks thats cool with me! All inclusive!

Back to the point of the thread, I guess I need to find me a good old school TTQB because I love "drilling the pill" and my current TTQBs aren't consistently holding up. Maybe I'll tinker with the new ones to find a simple solution, because I have about 10 broken ones.
Joe

All I'm saying is look at the future, think of the many people out there who want to play or are thinking of playing. Choice, give them a choice to do either or.

[Reginald Rutledge]

miniature football is a toy! That's to me! And I have no insecurities about letting anyone know that it is a toy. I have spoken to dignitaries about this toy which happen to be my hobby as well. So when I see that little TTQB, I've got no problems with him and I enjoy being joined at the hip in playing a child's game. I have been ridiculed by people about the game but I have no problem with playing with toys! I love toys! You come to my house and you will see I am not that serious! I love to have fun and I have fun things, namely toys!

I play the game to have fun! The guys in my league play the game to have fun! When you're sitting around debating whether to use the TTQB or Pass Simulation, are you really having fun. One of the great things about not wanting to change the world is that if you do something with great passion and people see you having fun doing it, inevitably others will follow.

Man, we just spent 2 hours sitting around discussing league play, who the best passers are in league history, and other things miniature football related. We look at ourselves sort of like the NFL QBs. There is NO parity in how we see ourselves. Some of us are better passers than others. Sometimes that is reflected in our team's records and passing stats.

But we all think, "Why should I be penalized because you don't take the time out to practice throwing the ball like I do?" Similarly, I think the same of Tom Brady versus Tavarius Jackson. Being a big-time Vikes fan, I've got to be real. Somewhere along the line, TJackson did not put in the same time that Brady did in learning how to throw the ball. It's obvious by his stats. But why should Tom Brady be penalize because he's more skilled at that aspect of the game. Jackson may have him in other areas but that's football.

I knew this thread would go right to this same manner. My thinking is that arguing this point does nothing to creating the solution. One league is still gonna do what they want to do. Another league is still going to do what they want to do.

Raven Maniac, I love the way that TTQB is created. I think it is really perfect engineering. John Tudor had it right back in the 60's. I've designed other QBs which throw the ball but it always comes back to the consistency of this toy. I always say, "When in Memphis, do what the Memphians do".

I can only speak from a perspective of TTQB. All I can tell you is that when you master the pass and light bulbs are popping off in your face because you have to throw into heavy coverage with a safety draped on you and the corner is running step-for-step, there is no greater arena than making that most difficult pass in Gillette Stadium. It is magic! And the aftermath of guys screaming "Wow, did you see that?" is one of the greatest feeling you would ever experience!

Reg

[eagle rick]

I hope I don't get flamed for this since I'm a new member.
AB I'm learning to play with your system and it's great.
You know how your stopages add a dimension to the game. The TTQB adds a dimension to the game for these guys. I may be wrong but when you just use your placement sticks the quarterback automatically has the ball going to the right spot, when these guys use the TTQB they have to get the ball to that spot for the reciever to have a chance of getting to it. If they don't hit the target it's a bad throw and the ball is dead. I hope I didn't step on any toes cause I'm not trying to stir anything up. If my explanation is wrong I apologize to all, Happy New Year to All!

[artlax]

Good post. Great to have you with us! Happy New Year coach!!!

[Shabby J]

Thanks for your opinion, you might get flamed for posting your opinion on some of these topics from time to time, God knows I sure have caught it on occasion. Please chime in at will. I used to lay low and read and very seldom post or reply, but I am into the mix now.

That's what a forum like this is all about, throw an idea or topic out there and let the opinions fly. It's all good fun and even though I find myself not agreeing with everyone at times, their posts or replies do help to make me divert my train of thought to theirs for a while and sometimes good things come from it. Everybody's thoughts or ideas can be swayed at some point or another just from listening to others and their ideas, after all that's what jury deliberation is all about, for those lucky enough to have ever served on one.

In this case "not so much", as Borat would say!

I had really hoped this post would stay on topic , but it strayed a little, its all good though. You are amongst friends.

[Kansas Bill]

Originally Posted by Kansas Bill

We (Tornado Alley) have changed the rules to be all inclusive.. So we allow all of it..

Originally Posted by Anthony D Burgess

All I'm saying is look at the future, think of the many people out there who want to play or are thinking of playing. Choice, give them a choice to do either or.

OK.. Well then obviously we are in agreement about passing rules and being inclusive/giving them a choice...

The thing to remember is.. It's doesn't make us right.. or wrong..