How to go to 4.0

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by jeasymoney

if you have to add some kind of weight , it being lead tape or magnetic tape or putty. then why go to a 4.0 weighted team why not just go with whatever
a reg r fig + the weight of the bases as your weight limit.

if you have to add something ,then to me this is not right.

very good point, Big Jim........

[KINGPIN]

Reggie you made a great point about boiling bases having one individual do the recipe thing to be on even terms.

YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE ONLY ONE TWEAKER TWEAK BASES FOR THE MASSES THEN, NOT EVERYONE CAN TWEAK ON THE SAME LEVEL, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? BEST MIXTURE OR BEST TWEAKER. IF NORBERT (FOR EXAMPLE) TWEAKS JOE BLOWS TEAM AND JOHN DOES TEAM FOR YOUR TOURNAMENT, BUT JANE DOE AND DUMBO HAVE BASES TWEAKED BY SOMEONE LESS THAN NORBERT, WELL THE BASES TWEAKED BY NORBERT ARE SUPERIOR, YOU OPENED UP A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS HERE. THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT ERIC SAID, DO YOUR OWN TEAM PERIOD WITH OUT THE ASSISTANCE OF ANYONE. THERE ARE 10 DIFFERENT WAYS I BOIL BASES, YOU GUYS ONLY KNOW OF A FEW WAYS, SO I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN TWEAK UNBOILED BASES LIKE NORBERT AND I???????. JUST MY THOUGHTS.


VINCENT PEATROS

[andre kc]

If someone wants to do this hobby and they do not know how to TWEAK a base, Then one should learn how to. If boiling bases is your League thing, then I think it is up to you to find out how to do it.
Look! this is your hobby and it's up to you to find out how to do your team, we have to learn how to pass with a TTQB and to kick with one right?
Look at it from this point, In the NFL, teams must work to find ways to win, from weight training to going over plays and so on, No one in the NFL is going to give you a brake, If your team is Weak on the O-LINE or your front four can't find its way to the QB and your QB can't pass the ball, and if they do give you a brake how would you learn to get better at the game. So its up to you to tweak a base for speed or tweak the base to make it strong and if you need to do so learn how to boil a base you never know when you might need to know.
Like I said this is your hobby! what you put in it, is what you are going to get out of it.

[Reginald Rutledge]

argument. The only difference being is if Player A is enhancing or masking his bases with some type of chemical whether it be baby oil or an additive or water, he is chemically altering his base. If he is just tweaking his base with pliers, he has not chemically altered the base. He has physically changed the base. The chemical components of the base remain the same.

The difference is in the chemical change and physical change of players. Let's take a look at athletes in track and field. Now in this day and era, we don't know who is "chemically enhanced". For many years, track athletes improved by physically enhancing their ability to win by working out harder than others. Now, each athlete had the choice to work harder than the other but it was more in terms of physicality.

When Ben Johnson won in LA in 1984, as I watched him jump from his blocks like a Puma and continued to accelerate in 9.84 and Carl Lewis could not catch him, I said "He's juiced". It was later revealed that he was. Carl had trained from a physical standpoint. He had done things above board. Johnson had went and got chemically enhanced to simply win. If he would have shared that same exact juice with everyone else, nothing could have been said. And if it was considered legal, then there really could have been nothing said. But as long as there is inequality by chemically altering because you want a decided advantage over another person in order to win, I will continue to think that is wrong! We may agree to disagree. But I think in your hear of hearts, you know that if you can chemically alter something way better than others and have no want and desire to help that person learn or even equally build his team like yours, is that really fair?

Now in miniature football, if your league allows boiled bases, that's your league! No one is stopping your league from doing what they do best. But when you are not able to understand why guys will not come to a tournament which host boiled bases, you really are not trying to feel what people are telling you. If you want people to come together, those are things that you address. Some people are scared to speak openly and honestly on this subject because they have seen guys verbally lash out at them over principles.

My thinking is as long as I know that I don't have equal access to what you have, how can you think it is fair? In all good conscience, it's like me taking a butter knife into a gun battle. But again, I would say host a tourney with boiled bases and maybe that along will get you guys who will come out to Los Angeles to play in that manner.

My answer to Eric was that he wanted that opportunity to showcase what the brothers do out in LA. My suggestion was simply for one weekend, allow a tourney where bases that everyone can readily get on an EQUAL bases was available, maybe people would come. I don't know. I have no knowledge. I know for one, I would come to LA to play if it was a non-boiled tournament but again, I can only speak for me. A lot is changing in my life so going to things like this is fast becoming a thing of my past. But this would have been one that I would support.

I don't think this opens up a can of worms. These worms have been crawling around for years! It comes down to LA likes boiled. Nothing wrong with that. Every league like what they like. And yes Vince, no doubt, everybody tweak their own teams using their own physical methods. I totally agree with Eric on that.

Just my opinion

Reg

[Norbert Revels]

Having cats build you a stadium, having painters do your team, having board makers do your board, having decal cats do your decals, without you saying this is ok, it seems it is OK, but buying or trading for bases shows a coach has no integrity ?, this my friends is untrue, I've helped countless coaches and fathers over the years, many have sent me thank you letters, post cards, phone calls and emails, and to hear the joy in there voices, and the power of there words in there emails and letters to me shows great love, not a lack of integrity.

Out of all the different statements you guys are saying, I only ask about this one, are you guys saying coaches should not buy or trade for tweaked bases ?, before I get into this more fully, are you saying coaches have no integrity if they have no time to tweak, or know how to tweak, but want to enjoy this hobby now, ......are you saying that the father who wants to share this hobby with his son but does not have the time to sit for hours and learn how to tweak has no integrity, exactly, what are you saying ?.

Norbert Revels

[Reginald Rutledge]

Norbert,

What you do, you offer as an equal service to everyone. You do not discriminate. Plus you are a source who has established a reputation as giving everyone the same thing in a fair and equal manner. Plus, what you do is not chemically enhanced, just physical. To me, that's a big difference. Plus, you have never hidden "secrets" from people so that your team will always remain stronger than other people teams.

I know many guys think (in our old azzz age), the thing to do is win instead of winning in a fair manner. Sometimes when you just win, you set yourself up on an island all alone. You make people feel there's no need to play with this guy. Not only does he win over you but he rubs it in and he is never willing to share information. From my recollection, you've never been one not willing to share that information. Plus again, what you do is physical.

And again, this is one of those subjects that gets a lot of rhetoric but at the end of the day, guys will play the way they want to. My only thought to Eric was that he put the "olive branch" out there to try to get people to come to the West Coast for the sake of fellowship. There's no reason guys should not want to go to Los Angeles unless they feel there will not be fairness in the process. But again, I also say to Eric or whomever wants to host a tournament, put it out there (whether its using boiled or whatever) and see who you can get to come to your tournaments. I think guys are so hellbent on numbers instead of the fellowship of the game that if they only get 6 people, they look at it as a disaster. It really is not. But you should always probe yourself about, "What could I have done to get more people to come?"

Reg

[Geno H]

Unreal that a thread on how to weight up your team has come to this. Each day there seems to be too much said that isnt needed. I think I will check out for a while,the FUN seems to be eluding everyone. See ya all later!

Geno H

[Norbert Revels]

HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Geno, LOL, get back over here youngfella, this post, thread is not negative buddy, I was only asking a question thats all, with statements made by afew, I just didn't want coaches to feel like they shouldn't buy or trade for bases like everything else, we all need eachother buddy for different things in this hobby.

Norbert Revels

[Reginald Rutledge]

We won't let him! He offers too much to the game. Geno wears MF on his head, shoulders, and everywhere else. At the end of the day, Geno will be back just like most of us. He's a junkie, like you, me and the rest of us.

Plus he owes me some bases so he better not go anywhere. Sorry, a shameless plug for Geno's bases.

Reg

[kotixblack]

WHY CAN'T GROWN MEN DISCUSS THINGS without someone getting upset and checking out? In my opinion a dialog between people with different opinions can lead to a solution or compromise on any particular disagreement. 8 years in, and what annoys me the most about EF/MF coaches on chat boards is the thin skinned little boys who run away at any sign of a disagreement or debate. Reg, I get your point. Vince, I get your point. Norbert, my comments have nothing to do with you. My only stake in boiling is getting my team to perform at top level. Also, I do feel that it is unfair, and does the hobby no justice when coaches who do not put in the time and work, but go from worst to first in one season because they call themselves competitors and have that drive to win. My thing is not to win at all cost. No offense to anybody, but from what I have seen since I've been it this...Vince Peatros is the best EF/MF base tweaker I have ever seen. He stated that he has at least 10 boiling formulas...I only have 2...so, how can you contend with someone who does not have the integrity to say..."Vince, don't do my bases, teach me what you know." I can speak for 5 people off hand who have done this, and Vince has been gracious enough to help them. David Campbell, Rick Garrison, RJ, Anthony Price, and myself. We all insist on learning, and doing it ourselves.