The funny thing about EF and a players greatness...

[Hook'em Horns]

I came up with this as I read the post regarding the "insanity of Vincanity Peatros" as he pounded away on a guy who was a pretty strong coach and had a pretty strong team himself.

We all wonder how one may accumulate those kind of stats, we even question the legitamcy of the rules, the player and the opponent. We find it tough to give credit when credit is due because the story may sound unbelievable. But think of it this way...Would you have believed that Memphis would have beaten Texas in the elite 8 by 20 points? If someone called you during the first half of the Final Four and told you that Kansas was up by almost 30 points over UNC in the 1st half would you have believed them? Probably not. We are a "must see it with our own eyes" society. Had many believed Noah and got on that Ark when he said the floods were coming they would have been a lot better of. Lol (Hardly a comparison but you get my point).

I know we all want to see Mr. Vince. Frankly, I do myself and can't wait for the day! I have a burning drive to play this guy that everyone says is the best. However, I do believe what people say about him. I have no reason not to. It doesn't hurt me either way to believe it or not.

When a player is considered great one always questions the era in which he played. Would M.J. still be the best today in the era of showtime and the crossover? Would Kobe in his prime dominate M.J.? The truth is they are both great regardless of the era and/or what coast they play on. Vince will be great win, lose, or draw should he come east. Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone & Stockton all fell victim to M.J. but they are all great players. A loss will not tarnish a thing that Vince has accomplished nor will a loss tarnish anything that Norbert, myself, DC, Reg. Rutledge, Lavell Shelton has accomplished.

We all are asking Vince to come to the east coast...I'm sure he'd like to get a few of you in his back yard. Lol. I'm not defending Vince by any means. I don't even know the guy. I just see things from a very nuetral perspective. However, I do love the debate. I love it! I just wish that we would debate topics more rather than criticize, it would lead to much better message board rhetoric.

Mike Robertson

[Rock Solid]

Mike,

You are surely a member of the band. The band of brother coaches that is. You don't make any effort at blowing your own horn so it is so far above the sound of the rest of us that we don't have harmony. You make every effort in all you say to make our sound more appealing to the ear. Some guys would rather stand on the stage and do solo's. Not a problem for me personally and God bless them but this hobby and the coaches in it have given me a new zest for personal enjoyment after years of personal heartache. It may just mean something different to me then personal conquest. I look forward to just being around the other coaches. That is special to many of us.

Ed

[mantaraydre]

When vince got here and posted his stats im sure many coaches said to themselve's (YEAH RIGHT). That's just vince exaggerating on how good he is.
BUT NOW, you have a coach who not only heard about him but went and played him. That coach (bluesman) was nice enough to come here a report back to us his vince peatro's findings. he has confirmed what vince has been saying all along. AND, PUT TO BED THE WHOLE "BUT VINCE PLAY'S WITH BOILED BASES" ROUTINE. Vince told me over the phone he can tweek bases stronger than he can boil bases. A 65 YARD PLOWING AND BLUESMAN SAID HE'S THE REAL DEAL HOLYFIELD.

other coaches have said the same thing bluesman said, WHAT DO YOU WANT VINCE TO DO TO PROVE ANYTHING TO THE EF WORLD. The guy know's how to tweek strong bases. He accumulate's so many stat's because he shuts you down (3 and out ) and get's the ball back right away. I give credit where credit is due to any coach who is unique. I say i never seen anyone like MIKE ROBERTSON and have to hear a song and a dance later.

I feel we should just enjoy any coach who is good enough that we can learn something form to make ourselve's better. I don't think coaches need to take it personal(not any one paticular coach) where they feel they need to test this one or that one, just tip your hat. Im sure you have unique skills also.

Everyone cant be in tbe movie, some have to go and see it.


MANTARAYDRE

[MplsTom]

I, like many in the hobby, am just having fun. We've heard forever about the exploits of Mr. Peatros yet he remains as elusive to most of the tournaments as a Corporal Tuttle. Personally I think it'd be hilarious if he was just a guy that the west coast made up...he's probably real...but many of us won't know.

I've been honored to play and meet many of the hobby's greats. How would I fare against Vince...who knows? I've held my own against most of the top competition and would love the opportunity to play against any great coach.

I reply simply because I get tired of hearing about the basketball guys who are playground legends and "better than Jordan." Personally, nobody has to leave the playground to play against anyone (it's their choice)...but until then they'll be just a playground legend in my mind and we'll keep hailing appropriate tribute to the Jordans, Raidermans, Revels, Smiths, Pratts, Chalmers, Hardamons, Rutledges, Robinsons, Turners, Hutsons, Bells, Downs, Lomaxes, Baxters, Grecos, Diamonds, Davises, Klingbeils, and possibly even Ruesinks of the world (that list can be much bigger).

[Hook'em Horns]

Contrary to your belief I agree with you. It makes it tough to compare Vince to the other greats if he hadn't played against the other greats just as it is tough to compare Kobe to Jordan. My post wasn't meant to defend Peatros by any means it was more to try and get guys to debate the topic instead of criticizing Peatros. I myself for one would like to know why someone considers Peatros the best, I would also like to know why others consider other coaches the best. Give me something with substance. I could use a good scouting report! Lol

[NATIONAL]

But I'm not known for playing.................. right???

I use to be a playground legend in basketball tho! Mike, I use to play horse for money!!!! Man, I got a mean bank shot!

Corey

[Hook'em Horns]

Horse for money? I've seen your game! You must have been broke a lot growing up? Lol. Bank Shot is right, Your opponent went straight to the bank off of your jump shot. Wish I had grew up in Philly with ya. I could have got them Jordan's I always wanted growing up.

[Coach Rip]

[MplsTom]

CorEy...you know by now you are a list unto yourself.

The list was illustrative not exclusive...

Love the H-O-R-S-E comment and Mike I do agree with where you are coming from. I'll respond to it a bit later but thanks for the debate.

Tom

[HOOP]

" DOWNS"? I play my first tourney at Buzzball, lose in the first round and Tom is listing me as one of the greats? WOW! i sure must have impressed someone. (this just in) oh, sorry, you meant "Edgar Downs". ahhh, that makes more sense. sorry about that. got caught up again in thinking the world revolves around just me.

It would be funny if Vince was some made up dude on the west coast .