no more stacking

[Raven maniac]

Marty I'm not saying I agree nor disagree. I'm not sure if your league allows ITZ's on skill players, but if they do then use'em.. Say you have a TE and a FB on ITZ's and you have the stack over the C or the two guards then with your motions move the FB an TE towards the same side and then you create a mismatch on the OLB because he can' cover both. Now for running again ITZ's play a roll. Take that TE spread em' wide single side. Motion your backs so to be into a sweep play. All yur linemen pull to the oppsite on ITZ's The TE should pull the DB into the backfield and you'll the outside open for the sweep. So if you can't change the rule. Make'em change through your play.

Darrian

Since im no longer playing 3.2 at all, I guess ill never get to test your ideas, but i do practice 4.0 both stacked and unstacked so I feel you on what your issue is, but I dont mind the stacking element in 4.0 so I guess its a wrap, keep doing what your doing

[Raven maniac]

If I read the rules right for DFW you can bring what you have for bases and place them on any players.

Darrian

[Electric Coach]

Marty,

Visit YouTube and search under "electriccoach". Watch the training camp video part 2. Observe how the defense performed against a stacked running attack.

Maurice

The Electric Coach

[Pirate Rick]

ok ..i might get blasted but who cares..... since your whining about defensive stacking.. are you also willing to stop playing with offensive stacking? when people run the ball what do most do ?? run a running back with a lead blocker behind a o linemen...hmmm 3 to 1 ratio offence advantage. So your telling me thats fair but to stop that i can't place a linbacker in run support sounds kinda like a slaughter to me...even with a fast looper its hard to catch a rb who just plows the line with his lead blocker. just my 2 cents since i had a few pennies extra this month.

Look If Stacking Is Working For Me Against U I'm Not Going To Stop stacking Because U Think That It's Wrong,But I Will Stop If U Start Throwing The Ball, Or Sweeping.I'm Trying To Tell U Man There Are Players & Then There Are Coaches It's A Big Defference Between The Two.Personally I Hate Stacking,But If Stacking Is Your Thing, I will Not Try To Stop U From Playing The Way That U Feel Gives Your Team The Best Chance To Win.Open Up Your Mind & Your Game Will Follow.

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by marty t

no desrespect to any league across the country, but in my experiences in the ef world since 1977 i came across many styles of play. i played real football my whole life so i know football. but now these times are much more advanced in the electric football world since back in the day. still the same passion though. there for i feel the game should be wide open for plays to be able to develope. i have seen most every league with a whole lot of stacking going on. and there is almost 100% passing across that league all because of the heavy stacking at a weight of 3.2 or especially 4.0 there should be absolutely no stacking what so ever. only play the gaps or be 4-5 yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage, and the offensive line should be atleast a pencil apart to create a hole for the runner not bunched up. any play is good between the tackles the runners should be 4-5 yards behind the line of scrimmage not touching the line if in the i formation no more than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage and no closer than 5 yards from the back of the offensive line and the qb has to be turned away from the play not a 3 man bully up the middle. this will open up the game drastically, execute plays don't bully them. only should be able to stack 2 yards or less just like the nfl. not stacking every play.
just want to hear your side of the heavy stacking that is going on across the board in these so called great leagues. for you as a coach or league to be considered one of the all time greats then the stacking must cease, and let the coaching do the winning. in my opinion stacking every play is not fun play it's slow play and it's bully ball! you might as well have boiled bases with pledge on the field against a team with proline bases(example). we used to do that in 1977 just want input on it please the world definitely needs it! again ANY STACKING SHOULD BE OUTLAWED, TO OPEN THE GAME UP!.LET THE INDIVIDUAL PLAYER MAKE THE PLAY NOT A STACKED PLAYER.

I understand what you are saying and how you feel. Many have taken the football out of the game and replaced it with what they like. The faster, stronger team has the advantage and who can better use the TTQB is more likely to win.

The game is based on luck and hope, with no respect to football itself, however there are those that like to play that way, so for them it's cool and there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you like.

You might want to look at my system, ( MPFL) It is based on actual football and not on a board game. Football X's and O's, position fundamentals, and position discipline are key.

Just check out my web page and read the data there, click on the link below. I hope that this will help.

[Reginald Rutledge]

there is never a beef on my part with what you're talking about. We good friends which I appreciate. We just don't agree here.

Disclaimer: Please do not read if you are not wanting to tolerate long-winded post on Shootout strategies.

These rules under the Shootout system allows for a person to run the ball too. Whether it is a blast play, power dive, or quick toss, the rules are set up to allow for stacking and no stacking.

I can tell you that here in the DFW, we have 1800 yard rushers over a 12 game season but we have great defenses that stop those great runners. But because how the system is set up, it takes coaches who have great play calling, the ability to REALLY throw the ball (not just a dink and dunk) with consistency, and the creativity to exploit the other team weakness to be good at this style of play.

This system was purposely set up for scoring. That's why the offense has a 3-1 movement ratio. Only the good teams know how to keep a great offensive team from putting up big numbers.

But one of the reasons this system work is because of the stacking. If the defense stacks 8 in the box, and I audible from the I to the pro set with the backs going around either end, I put the D at a huge disadvantage either as a run or pass. I dictate what the defense has to do to stop me! But if you have no ability to pass the ball, you will be stopped. That's usually when people complain about the run or the pass; when they have not figured out the nuances of the system. That's why I tell people learn to throw the ball with confidence, proficiency, and accuracy because in this style of play, your weaknesses will be exposed.

For 13 years in the DFW League, this system has worked to perfection. We've always been willing to tweak rules if we felt they were in the best interest of the league. But to a man, they will tell you that they want you to stack 10 in a row! It's suicidal for the defense because the audible allows you to exploit those type of one-on-one situations. So what if you have to pass to matriculate the ball, it still adds up as 7!

I really do want you to still come down to Texas and watch us play under this style. You will see why these guys here are like crack addicts about the style. All of these guys are skilled passers that if you do pile 9 in the box, you will pay unmercifully for that. It's just a matter of time before that other team looks up at the half and see 35 points scored on them.

The question I have is "How good is your ability to pass the ball?" Truthfully? Because if you are passing at a 0-20% rate, you will never win in this style. If you pass at 20-40%, you will be competitive sometimes. If you can pass at 40-50%, you will make the playoffs. If you pass 50-60%, you will be a contender. If you go pass that, you are championship material.

I think Bluesman brings up a GREAT point. Is it okay that you can run 3-1 on offense but not stack on defense? Answer, no! But because each team has that opportunity to do that, it balances out. These are little opportunities for offensive progression. The rules have worked for 34 years and the excitement they bring tells us not much tweaking needs to be done. Trust me, in this style of play, the defense is at more of a disadvantage than the offense ever will. But that's okay because it makes you creative as an offensive coach and resourceful as a defensive coach. It's done us proud for 13 years and those that go through the growing pains of learning how to play under this style love what it does.

I am not here to force this style on you and I always say, if you're not happy in something, you probably should not play in it because you will not be happy doing it. But I know you are a bright mind and I think if you came to Texas to see what happens here, it may change your thinking. When I come to LA, let's spend some time together (along with Michael Robertson) and we will show you so many tricks to the madness.

Sorry for the long post.

Reg

[Anthony D Burgess]

Originally Posted by marty t

bluesman, i'm not talking about the stacking in our league laefl we only stack behind the nose tackle only. but soon might be voted out to further the excitement and fun. i'm talking about all the other stack leagues that might wanna go play in that stack the whole team, you can't possibly tell me that's fun. we changed some rules you might don't know about. it will be an even match since your runners has to be 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage and inside the tackles and the linebackers has to be 5 yards back off the defensive line also or in the gaps. they can be behind a player if he's 5 yards back and has to run up. that gives both teams a 50/50 chance of making a play. so it's a race to the line or the defense can play the gaps but the runners still has to be 5 yards back just like the nfl. big lock i hear you man but at 4.0 you really should stop stacking cause you only playing bully ball. we use itz's or any base. that ain't the issue it's all about the stack bull rush let the individual player make plays why do they need help. i can see if they play the gap or be 5 yards back then that is fine but directly behind on offense and defense you creation a traffic jam. yeah there are players and there are coaches, then let the individual players play their positions and let the best coaching come out to win the game not a bunch of bulldoggs coming to gather up and sit in one spot all day to see who is stronger than the other. playing stack you will never see really what your team or individual players is made of. i see you all still want to play bully ball and try to sneak an run in here and there, i ain't mad at you but pass 100% of the time then to me that ain't real coachin that is lack of play inginuity. that's cool

There are a lot of people out side of this hobby that view this as a rugby game because that is what it looks like.

Football players are intelligent athletes being able to REACT based on what takes place on the field durring the action. This is the missing element in the hobby.

Passing, running, thinking, intelligents, speed, strength, clock management, move and counter move. 11 individuals doing there jobs at there position, SS not letting anyone get behind them, DB's on either inside leverage or outside leverage running with the WR's.

RB's able to read the blocks of there linemen and cut back, LB's being able to to play there position and run from side line to side line

The defense having a right to make a play on the ball when it's in the air, that is there right.

Winning should be based on what you know about the game, how you're players execute the play, the chooice you make, and how you're team gets it done when the board is on,......not on how well YOU can use a tool when the board is off, and not on the stronger and faster team.

[RPD]

Originally Posted by marty t

no desrespect to any league across the country, but in my experiences in the ef world since 1977 i came across many styles of play. i played real football my whole life so i know football. but now these times are much more advanced in the electric football world since back in the day. still the same passion though. there for i feel the game should be wide open for plays to be able to develope. i have seen most every league with a whole lot of stacking going on. and there is almost 100% passing across that league all because of the heavy stacking at a weight of 3.2 or especially 4.0 there should be absolutely no stacking what so ever. only play the gaps or be 4-5 yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage, and the offensive line should be atleast a pencil apart to create a hole for the runner not bunched up. any play is good between the tackles the runners should be 4-5 yards behind the line of scrimmage not touching the line if in the i formation no more than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage and no closer than 5 yards from the back of the offensive line and the qb has to be turned away from the play not a 3 man bully up the middle. this will open up the game drastically, execute plays don't bully them. only should be able to stack 2 yards or less just like the nfl. not stacking every play.
just want to hear your side of the heavy stacking that is going on across the board in these so called great leagues. for you as a coach or league to be considered one of the all time greats then the stacking must cease, and let the coaching do the winning. in my opinion stacking every play is not fun play it's slow play and it's bully ball! you might as well have boiled bases with pledge on the field against a team with proline bases(example). we used to do that in 1977 just want input on it please the world definitely needs it! again ANY STACKING SHOULD BE OUTLAWED, TO OPEN THE GAME UP!.LET THE INDIVIDUAL PLAYER MAKE THE PLAY NOT A STACKED PLAYER.

Marty,
I don't know you but if Reg says your a good guy, your good in my books as well. I'm fairly new to EFL/MF, but have adapted real well, I have a desire to compete and fellowship just as the next guy does, but this debate about stacking I really don't get. I welcome any coach to stack the line on me as "MUCH" as he wants B/C there is no doubt in my mind that I can bring him out of the stack defense simply by exploiting him outside, If I want to run the ball I will, whether it be inside or outside. I actually intice coaches in the DFW league to stack by attacking them with an inside running game, then when they stack the DL I will destroy them with an outside game, either by running or passing, believe me when I tell you they will not stack for long. You must be able to adjust as a coach and take what the defense is giving you. Now if you continue to run in the middle against the stack then that's a bad coaching decision by the offensive coach. Don't be upset when coaches stack the line, man I lick my chops when they do this. Last season I had a coach in the DFW league so worried about the inside run, that he started stacking the defensive line of scrimmage on me. I only threw the ball 9 times that game but did run for 250 yards most around the left and right ends. It is truely a cat and mouse game that the offense has a huge advantage on. My advise to anyone that is having problems against the stack defense is honestly very simple. Create atheletes that churn putside. I have a very explosive offense that employs 7 different type of RB's. They travel to every game. I script my first few plays then basically attack what the defense gives me. I welcome any coach that would like to run a stack defense against the "DFW Raiders", you wont do it for long B/C I will destroy you with an outside game like no other.

Just my Thoughts
RD