Height and scale?

[WEIRDWOLF]

For the MFCA Skills competition I am researching what distance a real 40 yard dash would be in relationship to the men in production.

In the photo I have lined up various men from Tudor, Miggle, Buzzball and FF.com. Each is in more or less a similar position. The lines on the card are 1/4 inch each.

It is easy to see that these are all different scales just like model railroads have N, HO, O and many other scales.

So my question is: assuming that these figures are based on an NFL pro player of aproximately 6 foot tall can we say that 1 1/4 inch equals 6 feet or what formula would be accurate?

What are your thoughts?
Do you also believe that these figures are based on 6 foot tall players?
Should they be classified as 2 or maybe 3 different scales?

If the manufacturers had a scale in mind, I would like to know what they based the sizes on. Maybe Reg and George could chime in on their thought process on this. I know that this has been discussed in the past but I would like to reopen it for those who were not around back then.

[WEIRDWOLF]

Gotta bump this. Somebody has got to have an opinion.

[5-13 Studios]

i have always noticed that most of the figures are around the same height/scale as the fantasy rpg figures that i collect. they are of 25mm scale, or 5mm = approx. 1 foot.
i don't believe that the different heights in the figures matters, from what i have seen there is not a drastic enough difference to seperate them into different scale categories. as a matter of fact, i am thinking of eventually making a team with all companies figures just to have different heights on the field. i.e. the regular miggle figures be scaled to be doug flutie or darren sproles size, etc..
as long as they all fit on the same sized base, they all have to travel the same amount of distance, the only factor may be weight.
don't know if this is the type of answer that you are looking for, but, it's something.

[Coach K-LO]

i don't know if we are ready to break things down to that level, Wolf.

I use all figures on most of my teams with the exception of FF.com which the next team will have lots of...... of all the figures available these days, it would a shame not to be able to use them all.

That's one of the reason why used to collect teams - so I can use some original 67 figures to play certain spots, hogleg RB/WR to play some skill positions, BB CC to play on the O-line beside Repro blockers and repro 67 Tackles....etc.

5-13... I have some Gothom figures that are small enough to use as the below 5-10 guys.

once I get my camera working again, I will post up some shots of the different figures....

[5-13 Studios]

bump for eagles fan

[JerryM]

Wolf,

When I built my big field, I used 1/2" for 1 yard as I am 6' tall personally and just like the ones you have pictured above, I struggled with the scale to use. I originally figured the 1-1/4" figure you came up with, but instead, elected to round down to 1" = 6' which got me to the 1/2" = 1 yard. My big board rounds out nicely at 60" long end line to end line at the 1/2" = 1 yard scale. If I had used the 1-1/4" factor to a true scale, the yard equivelant would have equaled .683" = 1 yard, the board would have been a LOT bigger almost 80" end line to end line. And it was just a little bit more manageable to round down to 1" = 6' translating to 1 yard = 1/2" as it was easier to build and for those who've played on it...it's big enough.

I ran this scale argument in my head back and forth sideways and front, taking into account the average size of all current NFL quarterbacks (which averaged out to about 6'-2" or 6'-3" {I've lost my notes on it}) and then after racking my brain, I just decided to go with the height with the bases to come up with 1" = 6'. It made for rounder numbers and a nice scale to play the game on.

I don't know if this helps you or not, but that's what I came up with 10 years ago when I started designing my board.

Jerry

Good points, Jerry. I use the same 1:6 ratio in all of my calculations and feel that is the most accurate way to do it.

[WEIRDWOLF]

I actually agree with what you are saying but wanted to raise some points of discussion. I have built a KC All time team using all the sizes based on real height and weigth proportions. They are in Guttmanns inbox right now awaiting some color.

Because I got NO discussion on this when I originally posted it I made an executive decision for the MFCA and went with 5mm = 1 foot as that seemed to be the closest to representing the average heigth of the players. I would love to be able to say that MF is 25 mm scale. It would mean so much more to the average Joe on the street if we had a scale to qualify what we are doing.
We have all had models as kids and are use to collecting these as well as other things based on the scale. It would also keep any new manufacturers from coming along and creating taller figures and instead could create to the 25 mm scale. The New Mcfarlanes for example are not 25 mm scale and thus are not 25 mm miniature football figures even if you do find a way to put them on a base. Now we have the start of, as model railroading does, N scale, HO scale etc...

If you use the 5mm = 1 ft a 1 1/4 inch figure is about 6 6 ft 5 in (Oh for advanced math skills now- )

If you use 1/2 inch = 1 yard a 1 1/4 inch figure is 7ft 6 in. tall

Math guys-is this correct?

Originally Posted by 5-13 Studios

i have always noticed that most of the figures are around the same height/scale as the fantasy rpg figures that i collect. they are of 25mm scale, or 5mm = approx. 1 foot.
i don't believe that the different heights in the figures matters, from what i have seen there is not a drastic enough difference to seperate them into different scale categories. as a matter of fact, i am thinking of eventually making a team with all companies figures just to have different heights on the field. i.e. the regular miggle figures be scaled to be doug flutie or darren sproles size, etc..
as long as they all fit on the same sized base, they all have to travel the same amount of distance, the only factor may be weight.
don't know if this is the type of answer that you are looking for, but, it's something.

[WEIRDWOLF]

I did a little more research and if we say that a figure that is 1 1/4 inch (31.75 mm) tall is = to a 6 ft man then actuall millimeters would be a hair shy of 5.3 mm = 1 foot.

[5-13 Studios]

Originally Posted by WEIRDWOLF

I did a little more research and if we say that a figure that is 1 1/4 inch (31.75 mm) tall is = to a 6 ft man then actuall millimeters would be a hair shy of 5.3 mm = 1 foot.

i'll look into this a little bit more, but i believe that your 5.3=1foot is the exact same as 25mm scale.
here's a link that might help (or create confusion).
http://theminiaturespage.com/ref/scales.html