A Major Disadvantage In The D.f.w And B.a.m Style Of Play

[mantaraydre]

REG IS RIGHT


IF YOU CAN'T PASS, YOU CAN'T WIN 'EXCEPT FOR THE GREAT JIM DAVIS'


During my losing streak in the bam i noticed one thing, everyone scores on td passes. im not sure how many running td's are recorded but 99% of the scores against me have been passes. It's fine being in a league that is pass oriented first but it is no fun for me when i do not pass due the the TTQ OR TDQ only ruling. Speaking with healy and others, in this style of play it is impposible to stop the pass. Someone isgoing to get free in 3 to 4 sec's. I know your thinking blitz but it does not work all the time.

This is no fun for me because the guy's in the league are deadly passing (not like hudson in the DFW) but all are very accurate. My running game is decent and coaches no this and just stack the box. This is why i wan't to play with ant burgess in the MPFL. This style will give me a better chance to win with the combo of running the ball and pass placement leading the wr's down field.

Im not quitting the B.A.M but im letting it be known im not 100% thrilled with gun show that's going on. yesterday i was in major pain but still showed up to play as long as i can. jerry and i alway's have a nice friendly game. i have 3 kick returns for td's so that is at least something to build on and smile at.
I will put it to you this way, it's like a boxer going into a fight with one of his arms broken but he fights anyway. The fighter with 2 good arms has a major advantage.

I also don't like the other passing method involving the reliance on the dice. I feel the receiver should go and get the ball on the field. I devised a hybrid method in which you shake one ten sided dice after the receiver you want gets open. if the dice read 8 or 5 or 7 or 1, you place the ball the distance from what the dice say from the wr in his direct path (no turning or ajusting.
that should all take but 7 seconds. (and guess what, no sticks are involved).

BUT REG IS 100% RIGHT, IF YOU CAN'T PASS, YOU CANT WIN


MANTARAYDRE

[mozeek]

Jim has proven that you can win without the Pass...... he has a good defense....

Dre..... call me.....

[Shabby J]

Just learn to pass! That's part of the beauty of the game to me, nailing a pass with the TTQB.


If you are physically unable to using the TTQB for any reason then just lay the sticks down!

To me the Shootout based rules are trhe best form of MF, you certainly won't doze off during a game in the Shootout style that's for sure!

[artlax]

Keeping in mind that the BAM is in it's infancy and a few games stats were not as accurate as possible due to no ref/stats guy here are the percentage breakdowns yards/TD's from scrimmage for the BAM games played PRIOR to yesterday.

Total rush yards - all teams 1,793
That number is 25% of all yards from scrimmage

Total Pass yards - all teams 5,413
That number is 75% of all yards from scrimmage

Total rush TD's - all teams 18
That number is 23% of all TD's from scrimmage

Total Pass TD's - all teams 59
That number is 77% of all TD's from scrimmage

seeing that the DFW style emulates the NFL in many ways those numbers
do seem to make sense.

2007 NFL stats
total rush yards all teams 56,790
34% of all yards from scrimmage

total pass yards all teams 109,722
66% of all yards from scrimmage

total rush td's all teams 386
35% of all td's from scrimmage

total pass td's all teams 720
65% of all td'sfrom scrimmage

Also - stacking is not the only method that can be employed to suppress the run game.

[Hook'em Horns]

I was shocked when I read this but Dre I'd like to respond to your post.

If the type of passing rules that have been implemented to assist coaches with physical impairments does not meet your needs then I would suggest something to the rules committee so that accomodations can be made. The TSO rules were created in manner which allows fair play, comraderie and realism to all be a part of the game and under this style of play as well as in the NFL, College or any level of football if you can't pass your going to struggle big time to win.

The New England Patriots are a great example. No Brady, they are struggling. The Jets get Brett Favre now they are competitive again. The Vikings are one of the best teams in the NFL 1-50, the other 3 that play QB, that make up the rest of that 53 man roster have been the key to why they have been unsuccessful. The play action pass when teams have 8 or 9 in the box is a beautiful thing. We have played games in the DFW that have been very low scoring and excellent passers have been a part of those games. Passing deesn't win games it opens up games so that you keep the defense more honest allowing you to become more balanced. If you can just pass and not run you won't win in this league either.

Two things come in to mind when I read you post.

One - The BAM is in its inagural season using what could arguably be the most intense style of rules in the country in the TSO rules. There is not a single experienced coach under this style of play in your league therefore, execution and defense strategies against the strategies that go along with this style of play is going to be at an all time low. I consider myself a pretty good coach. I played in the Seawall Brawl this past year. I was winning 14-0 with 9 plays left and found a way to lose the game because I was not familiar with what defense strategies to apply in that style of play under those circumstances. Not to mention the guy I lost to was a great coach in his own right and he understood the strategies of the game and that style of play! Not an excuse for me but the point was that it takes some getting use to.

Secondly - Defensive Schemes. Pressure is important! Although, you may not get there everytime, a hurry sometimes is just as good as a sack. Forcing the opposition to turn the set off before he is ready equates to a QB getting rid of it before the play develops. You must implement strategies that force pressure on the QB. Again, I make the realism comparison. When there is no pressure on the QB's they pick the defense apart in the NFL. Jamming inside receivers and playing safeties over top also is a great strategy. You have to understand that this style of play allows you to play the strategies of the field also. When you learn that you are a lot more successful. Force him to throw inside of your zone, force him to throw deep sideline routes, design your defense to do these things and watch the percentages of the passing go down versus your team.

I would never tell a coach what figures to use but your athletes are instrumental in the success of your schemes also. For example. If you're a coach that does not like to play with swoopers or you just can't get pressure on the QB, then it is important that you play with defensive lineman that have their hands up so that your hands are in the passing lanes. This will make passing a little more difficult for this QB considering he will have all day to throw. Some figures are more balanced for strength. You want to use these figures if you want to be known as a run stopper. Having knowledge of this kind of information is important. It's not always the figure that looks the best its the figure that gets the job done.

I'm more than willing to discuss some of these strategies with you. But remember an offense is only as good as the defense allows them to be. I'd love to help you understand how to coach in this style of play if you're interested. LMK

Mike Robertson

Mike,

Well said.

Wally

[artlax]

Originally Posted by Mike Robertson

I was shocked when I read this but Dre I'd like to respond to your post.

If the type of passing rules that have been implemented to assist coaches with physical impairments does not meet your needs then I would suggest something to the rules committee so that accomodations can be made.

Mike Robertson

Mike,

Dre is NOT using the passing modifications that you speak of - not sure why. I just learned of these rules mods last week. I say again - HE is chosing NOT to use them.

[HOOP]

what are these passing modifications and are they available for anyone to use?
i ask because there are guys who cant pass and guys who cant pass.
But then there are guys like myself, who can do a little something, but dont have the time to put in to really become proficient in passing. i would however, still like to be competitive in play. would i be allowed to use the passing mods?

[artlax]

The Giants (WJabs coach) RB #34 had 16 carries for 147 yards and 3 TD's on Saturday. The Giants had a total of 211 rushing yards. The Chiefs (Coach Brooks) in the same game rushed for 111 yards and passed for 245. And this was in a game with a ton of kick-off return TD's.

Bob,

Thanks for the stats! They back up that you can run the ball in this system. I only passed twice in the my game against the the Cheifs.

Wally