All-Time Teams - Dallas Cowboys

[Silverhorse 228]

Can't forget this guy...Rafael Septien and Hollywood is a must!

[Silverhorse 228]

QB Aikman, Troy
QB Roger Staubach
QB Don Meredith

Backs
RB Smith, Emmitt
RB Dorsett, Tony
RB Perkins, Don
FB "Moose" Johnston
FB Robert Newhouse

Receivers
WR Hill, Tony
WR Hayes, Bob
WR Pearson, Drew
WR Butch Johnson
TE Witten, Jason
TE Billy Joe Dupree

Offensive Lineman
OL Wright, Rayfield
OL Allen, Larry
OL Newton, Nate
OL Adams, Flozell
OL Stepnoski, Mark
OL Leonard Davis
OL Erik Williams

Secondary
DB Renfro, Mel
DB Harris, Cliff
DB Walls, Everson
DB Waters, Charlie
DB Woodson, Darren
DB Kevin Smith
DB Deion Sanders

Linebackers
OLB Howley, Chuck
OLB Charles Hayley
ILB Jordan, Lee Roy
ILB White, Randy
ILB Ken Norton Jr.
ILB Hollywood Henderson

D-lineman
DT Lilly, Bob
DT Jones, Ed
DT Russell Maryland
DE Jeffcoat, Jim
DE Ellis, Greg
DT Jay Ratliff

Special Teams
Bill Bates
Rafael Septien

Originally Posted by HOOPER

R O N F E L L O W S !!!!!!!!!!

i couldnt stand that guy!!!! I love em though, #27, but man he used to drive me crazy!!!!
He was like the 80's version of #46Marc Washington.

Dang HOOP... Maybe I shoulda said Dexter Clinkscale instead of Fellows. LOL!!!

[dallcow4life28]

I feel ya on Hollywood and Septien, but since they both did time for abusing minors, I must leave them off my team. Also, a couple guys have Manster at ILB. He played DT for 99.9% of his career. Gotta keep it real. My team is as follows:

QB:
Roger
Troy
D. White
G. Hogeboom (just kidding)

FB:
Moose
Newhouse
Garrison

TB:
Dorsett
Emmitt
Herschel
Preston Pearson (3rd downs)
Duane Thomas

TE:
Witten
Novacek
DuPree
Cosbie

WR:
M. Irvin
D. Pearson
T. Hill
B. Hayes
B. Johnson
Doug Donley (just kidding)
A. Harper
T. Owens (he makes me frikken sick)

T:
E. Williams
R. Wright
P. Donovan
M. Tuinei

G:
L. Allen
H. Scott
N. Newton

C:
Stepnoski
Fitzgerald
Gurode

DE:
Harvey Martin
Too Tall
C. Haley
T. Tolbert

DT:
R. White
B. Lilly
L. Lett
R. Maryland

OLB:
D. Ware
D. Smith
D. Edwards
D.D. Lewis
C. Howley

ILB:
Eugene "the hitting machine" Lockhart
K. Norton
L.R. Jordan
B. Breunig

CB:
E. Walls
D. Sanders
C. Green
K. Smith
D. Thurman (some safety too)

FS:
C. Harris
M. Downs

SS:
D. Woodson
C. Waters
J. Washington

K:
N. Folk
C. Boniol
R. Septien (Chester the Molester nickname disqualifies him)

P:
M. Saxon
M. McBriar
D. White

[dallcow4life28]

I was the only one who could not stand Fellows. He was a good player, but he was always a step late, and yes, he was the '80's version of Marc Washington. Duane Goodrich, anyone?

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Dang HOOP... Maybe I shoulda said Dexter Clinkscale instead of Fellows. LOL!!!

[HOOP]

Originally Posted by dallcow4life28

I was the only one who could not stand Fellows. He was a good player, but he was always a step late, and yes, he was the '80's version of Marc Washington. Duane Goodrich, anyone?

#47CLINCKSCALES WAS MY MAN TOO!!!!!!!!
The 80's version of #37James Washington.

All those numbers about Harvey Martin make the point, but another thing you could do is just watch him play. Watch him off the snap every play, the dude was just a frakin beast!!!!! Always pushing the OT back. THe OT had to play the "leverage and guide him" game to stop Harvey cause the power game wasnt gonna happen with him. And he was athletic enough to jump over or avoid the cut blocks as well.


Eugene Lockhart - Good call on that one. Because of the talent rich LB's the Cowboys have had, he will never get his due props. That straight held it down in the middle for years in the 80's as Danny White (another underrated because of the greatness at the position) took us to the playoffs.

Patrick Jeffers and Leon Powe anyone? How about Kevin Sweeney?

(Just kiddin there as well)

[dallcow4life28]

So you wanna get ignorant? How bout Derrick Lassic, Bruce Huther, Phil Pozderac, Scott Ankrom, and Everett Gay?

Originally Posted by sweetka

Remove Demarcus Ware. Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson played great in the Superbowl but then became an also-ran. He allegedly used drugs on the sidelines and only lasted four years with Cowboys. I used to play that team back then every year. Football wise, Demarcus is clearly the better player. Now, since his short career and troubles, Hollywood has bounced back after being blessed with winning a lottery and has redeemed himself admirablyl. But we're talking football right?

Where is Calvin Hill (Grant's Dad) or Duane Thomas at running back?

At tight end if you are passing a lot go with Novacek (Not home grown) and Witten. Hall of Famer Mike Ditka made a stop in the big D, if you are not going drafted only there is no peer.

For that big balanced tight end that can block and get open definitely Billy Joe Dupree. In fact, Billy Joe Dupree played his whole career in Dallas. I think he went to the Pro-Bowl at least 3 times.

Calvin Hill was a great Cowboy RB... the problem is that Tomkat only had 4 RB slots so who gets replaced? Barber is the only one I see, but I was trying to suggest to Tomkat that he fill it with either a FB or a 3-d back, instead of another HB/TB.

As Good as Duane Thomas was... He didn't fit the requirement. he only played 2 years for the Cowboys. Though he's listed as a Cowboy from 70-72, he didn't play for the Cowboys during the 72 season; he only played in the 72 Superbowl. (after the 71 season) He was then traded to the Chargers for being a headcase and a malcontent. Next to Staubach he was the best player the Cowboys had on offense, but Landry got tired of his antics and sent him packing. It makes me wonder if Landry would have been able to put up with an athlete of today that puts himself over the team; or would he have just sent him packing?

Your assessment on the TEs is accurate. I knew Novacek had been to 5 ProBowls and was a 5 time ALL PRO. I also knew that DuPree and Cosbie both were 3 time ProBowlers. What I didn't realize was that Witten (like Novacek) has been to 5 ProBowls and is currently a 2 Time ALL PRO. He still has a lot of career left, so his numbers will grow. He definitely could end up being the best.

Demarcus ware fits the requirement to be on the list. The only things that the other LBs had over him was longevity. If he stays on this roster it isn't gonna hurt my feelings, because he's a great player.

Your assessment of Hollywood Henderson is a little off. Hollywood played for the Cowboys for 5 years. He not only played great during Superbowls, he played great in the playoffs and during the regular season. He's listed as one of the first Linebackers to enter the NFL with 4.6 speed in the 40. Back in his day that was very fast. So fast that the Cowboys had him returning kickoffs part time. The great Lawerence Taylor (LT) is on record saying that Thomas Hollywood Henderson is the reason that he wears the number 56.

While in Dallas this cat was never an also-ran. His 5 years are marked with spectacular and consistent play at the linebacker position. It wasn't his play on the field that got him sent packing, it was his sideline antics, destructive lifestyle, and on air comments towards opposing teams that made Landry get rid of him.

Yes Hollywood liked to run off at the mouth, but he definitely backed it up on the field. His mouth, antics, flambouyant lifestyle, and drug addiction may be some of the reasons he only played in one ProBowl; but he is easily in the top 5 of alltime greatest Cowboy Linebackers, and he would rank in the top 2 of alltime greatest Cowboy Outside Linebackers. If he isn't #1 then it's Chuck Howley.

I definitely agree with you that him turning his life around is admirable, but strictly judging him on his football tenure with the Dallas Cowboys... He ranks at the top.

Here's my own ranking for Cowboys LBs: (This list does not include Greg Ellis because he's really a DE)

1. Chuck Howley
2. Thomas Hollywood Henderson
3. Ken Norton Jr.
4. LeeRoy Jordan
5. Eugene Lockhart
6. Demarcus Ware
7. Bob Bruenig
8. Deter Coakley
9. D.D. Lewis
10. Dave Edwards

Honorable mention: Jerry Tubbs, Mike Hegman, and Dat Nguyen

- OldSchool

[HOOP]

Originally Posted by dallcow4life28

So you wanna get ignorant? How bout Derrick Lassic, Bruce Huther, Phil Pozderac, Scott Ankrom, and Everett Gay?

AINT NUTTIN IGNANT ABOUT THOSE PLAYERS

#75Phil Pozderac was a monster himself during his time with the boys and #42 Derrick Lassic is a hometown hero from Westchester County, NY, so there is a soft spot.
Now the other 2 - ,


Hey Don,

GREAT POST THERE. Excellent evaluation of the LB's. Glad to see Lockhart getting some props, cause i surely dont hear his name mentioned much.
It is too bad Nguyen and Coakley played during the down years of the Cowboys, i wonder how good they would have been had they played a few years earlier or started a few years later.

Not one of the greats, but solid for his few years - #58Darrin Smith


I LOVE ALL THIS COWBOYS TALK

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Here's why Tomkat...

Jeffcoat is only the sack leader because sacks were not an official stat until 1982. If all sacks were official then Jeffcoat would be fourth on the all-time Cowboy list. Here's the numbers if you include career sacks.

Harvey Martin 11 years 114 sacks
Randy White 14 years 111 sacks
Ed Jones 15 Years 106 sacks
Jim Jeffcoat 12 years 102.5 sacks

Here's some more info about Harvey Martin: (This is why I stated that his absence from the roster was a glaring omission.)

As part of the famed Doomsday Defense, Harvey Martin led the Cowboys in sacks seven times. Martin went to the Pro Bowl four times and was co-Super Bowl MVP in Super Bowl XII (shared with teammate Randy White). He still holds team records for most sacks as a rookie (8 - 1973), in a season (23 - 1977), and career (114). Former Cowboys GM Tex Schramm stated "He'll be remembered as one of the great Cowboys of the golden years ... He was a great player, one of the first great pass rushers." Martin followed up his 23-sack 1977 season with a 14 sack performance in 1978, 9 in 1979, and 12 in 1980.

23 sacks in a season?? Must be when they were not keeping this stat because 22 was the record that was just broken by M.Stahan a couple of years ago????????

thanks guys for all the Cowboy talk, now I know who to add to my teams .....