Working on a new system; What do you think??

[detroitchild]

I'm still letting this roll around in my head but my initial comment would be that this is unfair to the defense. I could quickly rearrange my offensive players and yell "hut" before the opposing coach could adjust. Unless I'm missing something I could possibly catch the defense off guard on every play.

[46defense]

here in the midwest league we use the strategy divider.this style might work better in our style for the simple fact what we could do is,incorporate a 15 second clock that starts after the divider has been lifted where both teams have that 15 seconds to move or adjust there players at the same time,when that 15 second clock sounds all hands off and the play starts from that point, this way that takes away from anybody in the heat of the battle going pass the rules of fair play.this sounds interesting i am going to see if edger wants to give it a try this weekend. what do you guys think about incorporating it that way in our style.is there another way you would try it other than the way i said,to be used in the style of using the divider. ef gamer this was good thread you started.

[efgamer]

I wish I knew how to post pictures, I could easily show a play. I am working crazy hours, but I will try and give a few tidbits of play on upcoming threads. First of all, the offense can only use 1 hand to move or pivot players (this helps to maintain proper shifting and pivoting by the offense, without unfair deception). Any shift must occur first. Any man in motion must occur second, if the offense elects to shift. Pivots are last. Any player placed down in a pivoted or slanted direction during a shift must remain in that position. At this time we are letting the defense adjust with 2 hands(might change). The defense can adjust any man or place any man in any direction. The defense may adjust or pivot the same man again. This helps balance the play. Man in motion rule: A)Only 1 man may move from the backfield to outside the tackle box, or B) 1 man may move (flanker, or TE as a flanker) from outside the tackle box into the backfield, as for power formations. Let me stress that you must be quick and smooth when placing your players. You get better with practice. If, when pivoting is stopped, any inelgible formations or players placed offsides are flagged. The man in motion is great because it creates mismatches in pass coverage and can help in blocking outside blitzers. More later Thanks

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by efgamer

I wish I knew how to post pictures, I could easily show a play. I am working crazy hours, but I will try and give a few tidbits of play on upcoming threads. First of all, the offense can only use 1 hand to move or pivot players (this helps to maintain proper shifting and pivoting by the offense, without unfair deception). Any shift must occur first. Any man in motion must occur second, if the offense elects to shift. Pivots are last. Any player placed down in a pivoted or slanted direction during a shift must remain in that position. At this time we are letting the defense adjust with 2 hands(might change). The defense can adjust any man or place any man in any direction. The defense may adjust or pivot the same man again. This helps balance the play. Man in motion rule: A)Only 1 man may move from the backfield to outside the tackle box, or B) 1 man may move (flanker, or TE as a flanker) from outside the tackle box into the backfield, as for power formations. Let me stress that you must be quick and smooth when placing your players. You get better with practice. If, when pivoting is stopped, any inelgible formations or players placed offsides are flagged. The man in motion is great because it creates mismatches in pass coverage and can help in blocking outside blitzers. More later Thanks

here is what JIMBO told me on how to post pics: As far as posting pictures:

* If you have the picture saved to your computer, you can post it by clicking [Manage Attachments] just under your current post BEFORE you hit Submit Reply. Scroll down a lil more and you'll see it.
* Click on [Manage Attachments].
* A small screen will popup and you'll see several blanks with [Browse] next to them. Click on one of the [Browse] buttons.
* This will take you to your files on your computer. Find the picture you want and just move the pointer over it, but don't click it yet.
* See if it fits the size specs listed for its filetype, which is listed just below all of the [Browse] buttons.
* If it's within size, then double-click it. To add another, repeat.
* If it's too large, you have to right-click the pic and open it in your photo editor program, or Paint, which is what I use for MF pics.
* If you open it in Paint: hit [Ctrl + W]; then when the size box opens, you have to size it down by a percentage of the whole i.e. 80% length x 80% width. Type in "80", then [Tab], then "80" and [Enter]; if you can see the entire picture on your screen without scrolling left or right, you're good; hit [Ctrl + S] to Save it and then you can close Paint. Now you can double-click that picture and repeat for more pics.
* Click on the [Upload] button to the right of the [Browse] buttons.
* Then you can hit [Submit Reply] and you'll see your post with a pic attached!

[Vince148]

Originally Posted by detroitchild

I'm still letting this roll around in my head but my initial comment would be that this is unfair to the defense. I could quickly rearrange my offensive players and yell "hut" before the opposing coach could adjust. Unless I'm missing something I could possibly catch the defense off guard on every play.

That was sort of the point with my comment. Seems that both players having the same amount of time would be better. Maybe it would be better if after the initial set up, the offense coach says "shift" to start the shifting process which would last 10 seconds. If there would be no shifting, the coach could just say "hut" indicating that the play will start.

[eflfanatic]

I like this idea. I would like to see a wriiten rule incorporating this.

[efgamer]

Coaches, this system allows the offense to shift just as in the NFL. Of course, you can just set your men up and simply pivot and run your play. Shifting players and putting a man in motion creates the beauty of this type of play. I do use a timer for the offense and defense on each play. The simultaneous pivoting by the offense and defense is included in the elasped time. This way of play is very easy. It is simply played as actual football with no limits or rules as to how many men can be pivoted or spacing requirements, etc. I will play electric football by any rules, but just taking turns pivoting after each other is simply like playing chess. Now, on pass completions, of course defensive DB pivoting takes place. This way of play is so much faster and exciting than the traditional way. I would be glad to talk to any coaches who would like a better explantion of this style of play. I have what I think to be one of the better ttqb style of passing out there! Just pm me if you would like my phone# and we could talk! I'm not trying to push this on anybody, but I think growth and change to electric football is exciting, and I am just using my imagination to help enhance electric football. Thanks

[the french guy]

If I understand correctly, you play like that :

1 offense formation deployement

2 Defense formation deployement

3 simultaneous D and O players pivots or shifts ("shifts" are players movement on the field, am I right ?) before a (30s ?) time limit "like the real thing"

4 Offense gives a stop signal ("hut", or "stop") before the time limit : both O and D stops pivot

5 board is switched ON to resolve the play

Is that right ?

I'm still letting this roll around in my head but my initial comment would be that this is unfair to the defense. I could quickly rearrange my offensive players and yell "hut" before the opposing coach could adjust

Perhaps a simple and easy solution should be to allow the defense a last move and/or pivot after the "hut" signal. So it should be less easy for the offense to "cut off" the defense action.

Or something similar : after the signal, the defense should be allowed to shift or angle a single player, then the offense can pivot (and only angle) one player.


Last idea more "exotic" : You can also add a "touched is played" rule, like in Chess : once you touched a fig, you must move it. But it maybe difficult to marshall without a referee.

Any shift must occur first. Any man in motion must occur second, if the offense elects to shift. Pivots are last. Any player placed down in a pivoted or slanted direction during a shift must remain in that position. At this time we are letting the defense adjust with 2 hands(might change).

The defense can adjust any man or place any man in any direction. The defense may adjust or pivot the same man again. This helps balance the play.

Man in motion rule: A)Only 1 man may move from the backfield to outside the tackle box, or B) 1 man may move (flanker, or TE as a flanker) from outside the tackle box into the backfield, as for power formations. Let me stress that you must be quick and smooth when placing your players.

that's look a little complex to follow and marshall, on a silmutaneous play, without an external referee :o

The difficulty I see here is that I will have to follow my opponent moves to see if he's doing legal moves, and simultaneously I 'll have to think about my own game strategy...

[efgamer]

A) You are correct French Guy! Their is a completed pivot move for the defense if he has a man in his hand when the offense calls time or hut. In real NFL football, if a team shifts, they must hold their position for 1 second before they can snap the ball or they will be penalized for illegal procedure. The defense will most likely make an adjustment quickly in that second. I have a couple of rules for this time of senario. Basicly; A) if the offense shifts, or B) during a pivot the offense picks up their running back and turns his dial so that he can run a sweep--- the defense will be allowed to complete a pivot being initialized. B) This system is very easy to follow: for example; if I am the offense and my plan is to say just shift from the I-formation to the Shot-gun. First, the shift must be done first as in real football-I must do point A to get to point B. So after both teams are set I would begin the sequence by stating shift to the defense so they would know my intention. The defense will know the intention of the offense as shifts, motions occur. Of course, it is not known at this time whether the offense will run or pass. After the pivot session, if the offense is set up illegally, the play will be a penalty. I know you are probably learning the legal offensive formations right now, but you would definitely need to know the legal formations (7 men on the line; only 1 man in motion, etc)

[the french guy]

I know you are probably learning the legal offensive formations right now, but you would definitely need to know the legal formations (7 men on the line; only 1 man in motion, etc)

Personaly, my offense "legal" setup is quite simple :


7 players on LOS including 5 linemen (T G C G T)
QB and RBs have to stay in a "box" (20yards max behind the linemen, width is represented by the field harshmarks or the linemen alignement -I'm still testing that-)

"The man in motion" concept is one thing I'm not familiar with

I believe I'll test your system, making my own "soup" with it, certainly simplier.