Is the Hobby to large to play one way????

[Anthony D Burgess]

You right, very right. May be the hobby is not the issue, but the men that play it !

Saying you don't like something, then tell us why in a logical manner. But most don't have a logical reason why they don't like something other then it will take away there little advantage. And none of it has any thing to do with football.

Originally Posted by THE PEOPLE'S CHAMP

First off, why is it that every other week this same topic comes up in some form or another? I can say and be reasonably sure with statement that the hobby is too big, too many egos involved and to much cliquiness (is that a real word? Well, for this application it is.). Everyone always shoots me down when I say this about the cliques but I am going to prove it after seeing the responses to a post on the miggle. But later for that. Just like every conference in the NCAA has a different set of rules I think it is ok to have different rulesets. It is easy to say as some are quick to do "well, if they don't like it then they can just not play." But let's look at it in this perspective. Let's just hypothisize and say everyone agrees on this "one way" theory. And the ball is in motion everything is going well. The WORLD ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey wait a minute. I think that passes that deflect off of receivers and hit D-backs should be picks. There isn't anything about that in here. Guy #2-I think we should not be able to use custom figures. Guy #3 - I think we suould be able to use boiled bases. All 3 guys well "I'm not playing". The WAEF "FINE". The three guys say "I know let's make our own orginization. Get a bunch of guys and make our own set of rules as a national standard." Thus, the UNIVERSAL ASSOCAITION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey, wait a minute... It will always go on and on and my question is what would make one orginization better than the other as the "OFFICIAL STANDARD" of electric football? What would making an "OFFFICIAL STANDARD" Of electric football really do to "advance/better" the game? These are the questions that need to be answered.

I like playing with the strategy divider once in a while, or playing where you have to have actual splits on the o-line instead of "maul ball" all of the time. The differences is what makes this game special.

As long as you have so many different leagues then you will always have a lot of different ways to play and I think that is good. As for tourneys then you are always going to have different sets of rules that is the nature of that beast.

Just my coupla' pennies.

Jimbo & WW - I too have run into the solitaire rules tyrant. Although the rules do tend to remain consistent for an entire season. I seem to have a totally different problem under that solitaire regime. I consider myself a respectable coach but no matter how much time I put in to improve, I can't seem get get my win/loss record above 500. Who do I see about that? Any suggestions?? Anyone???

-Mike Pratt

Originally Posted by THE PEOPLE'S CHAMP

First off, why is it that every other week this same topic comes up in some form or another? I can say and be reasonably sure with statement that the hobby is too big, too many egos involved and to much cliquiness (is that a real word? Well, for this application it is.). Everyone always shoots me down when I say this about the cliques but I am going to prove it after seeing the responses to a post on the miggle. But later for that. Just like every conference in the NCAA has a different set of rules I think it is ok to have different rulesets. It is easy to say as some are quick to do "well, if they don't like it then they can just not play." But let's look at it in this perspective. Let's just hypothisize and say everyone agrees on this "one way" theory. And the ball is in motion everything is going well. The WORLD ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey wait a minute. I think that passes that deflect off of receivers and hit D-backs should be picks. There isn't anything about that in here. Guy #2-I think we should not be able to use custom figures. Guy #3 - I think we suould be able to use boiled bases. All 3 guys well "I'm not playing". The WAEF "FINE". The three guys say "I know let's make our own orginization. Get a bunch of guys and make our own set of rules as a national standard." Thus, the UNIVERSAL ASSOCAITION OF ELECTRIC FOOTBALLERS is formed. YES!! YES!! YES!! WE DID IT!!! WE DID...hey, wait a minute... It will always go on and on and my question is what would make one orginization better than the other as the "OFFICIAL STANDARD" of electric football? What would making an "OFFFICIAL STANDARD" Of electric football really do to "advance/better" the game? These are the questions that need to be answered.

I like playing with the strategy divider once in a while, or playing where you have to have actual splits on the o-line instead of "maul ball" all of the time. The differences is what makes this game special.

As long as you have so many different leagues then you will always have a lot of different ways to play and I think that is good. As for tourneys then you are always going to have different sets of rules that is the nature of that beast.

Just my coupla' pennies.

Dre... I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on a myriad of subjects. I'll hit ya up tonight. If I can't get ya, I'll try again Sunday evening.

Peace,

Don Smith

I have to work tonight. Anytime tomorrow or Sunday would be fine. I hope all is well with you and the family. How's my boy?

The family is fine, and D.C. is doing well at ND. He's studing hard because he has exams coming up before his Christmas break. He'll be home in 2 weeks and staying for about a month. Thanks a lot for asking Bro.

Since you're working tonight I'll have to hit you on Sunday because I'll be outta town Saturday. I also hope all is well with you and your family.

Take care,

Don

[Raven maniac]

Let's lookat it like this....Poker has many forms but it still remains Poker. We see the mainstream version Texas Hold'em but there's so many others. The common goal for all of the SAME players is to WIN! Are we to big? No not until we have a"MainStream" version. Are we to big? No, not until we can have our world tourney on tv like Darts. Are we to big? No, because we should never accept today's goals for future goals. Keep making what's not perfect, Better. Great question Biglock.

[Pirate Rick]

Maybe it is just my "lack of education" in this matter being a newbee...but to me this matter seems so **** silly.
1st off let me say as a past football player and a new EF player, no matter where you play, or by whose rules you play by, the first order of buisness is TO HAVE FUN!!
no way is everyone going to be happy all the time, so get over it!
2nd, as a newbee, and reading these posts week after week after week, the same guys arguing what obveously are mute points to deaf ears, i have to say this... i am beginning to really wonder why i am bothering to put together a team of players i like, paint them etc, when the rules of the game seem to change from person to person with no base standard to go by making it almost impossible for me to get a real understanding of what is going on, or what is acceptable.

I hope this does not offend anyone, but as a new guy looking in on this hobby, all this petty arguing and "mine is better then yours" attitudes really makes me want to just walk away and let you guys kill your own hobby .
you talk about growth and prosperity but cant even figure out what players to use or what field size to use.
Why not just pick a field, play whatever figures you want, are really see who is the better football player. arguing over players to me is stupid... you think the nfl guys could go to the refs and say.. hey no fair.. you have joe montanna and jerry rice.. you have to bench them cause we cant compete with that?
just my thoughs as a new guy looking at this.
Rick.

This is just the banter before the U.N.E.F.L. meeting. Don't sweat the small stuff, paint, build and play. We'll figure it out one day.

[Ray F]

I like the poker analogy offered above, on the old Miggle board I would use Billiards to make the same analogy. Like EF there is more than one way to play. In Billiards you have games for strict competition like 9-Ball, Straight Pool (14.1), 8-Ball, One Pocket, Banks, etc. Then you have novelty games for light competition, like Rotation, Cut-Throat, Cowboy (variation on old English Billiards), etc. Then for a radical change of pace there are billiard games designed for the pocketless table, like Caroms (straight-rail) Cushion Caroms, and Three-Cushion just to name a few. Then there is Snooker, as you can see the variations are extensive but all are fun to play, and there are common standards and rules that apply the same way in all the games, especially when addressing and striking the cue ball is concerned. I contend we need standards and common rules that apply in all forms of EF. For example, what exactly constitutes a tackle or engaged players or “in the box” when placing the TTQB on the field. How about a variation like Front of the base tackling, what is exactly is the front of the base. I would like to see a basic set of detailed rules that can be applied to different EF styles, like the hand-off/pitch rule (2 base length standard helmet to helmet (any Part) or base to base just name the standard convention. The NHFL rules along with the BuzzBall Tournament rules are well done and most of the details are explained and battle tested and when in use tournaments run smoothly. I would like to see an EF Rule book from Miggle with standards and details explained along with a list in the back of major tournament winners. The great thing about this hobby is when we get in the room to participate and support an event and no matter how well defined or not the rules may be we all get along and have a blast.

Originally Posted by Ray F

The NHFL rules along with the BuzzBall Tournament rules are well done and most of the details are explained and battle tested and when in use tournaments run smoothly.

Ray, I'm fairly sure other leagues and tournaments (whether they are a variation of Miggle, BB, or TSO) feel their rule sets are well done and battle tested also. Let's start handing out more than 2 gold stars.

Peace,

Don Smith