please explain illegal formations in the NFL AND MINIATURE FOOTBALL

[5-13 Studios]

in a formation, you must have both of your tackles (end linemen) "covered". this means having a receiver or tight end on the line. no more, and no less than 7 men may be on the line. every other player must be at least 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage (in nfl rules). you may have multiple wr's on one side of the line (trips formation), but only one is allowed on the line of sscrimmage.

confused yet?

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,


Can i put a TE on both sides of the line and not put any wr's on the line ?


!) swing pass to the running back, if the ball is on the 25 yard line and the qb drops back to pass, at what point can i hit the running coming out iof the backfield ? Does he have to cross the 25 yard line or can i hit him before he gets there ?

2) Quick out pass to a slot receceiver, at what point (exact yardline) can i throw a quick out thats legal ? 1) dropping back to pass 2) in the shotgun ?

3) qb in the shotgun position, the runningbacks are lets say a yard ahead of him or right next to him, at what point can i throw it to the running backs coming out of the backfield ?

4) can two tight ends line up right next to each other ?

THANX
MANTARAY- DRE


Also, Have you seen when a qb drops back then swings it out to the running, isn't the running behind the line of scrimmage ? This is where im getting coonfused. I use to see Montana hit Rathman all the time coming out of the backfield. Im just trying to figure out how to run that in miniaturefootball.

Is it impossible to run a running back to receiver reverse behind the line of scrim ? ala santana moss !

[5-13 Studios]

absolutely, i forget what that formation is called.

1)check with your league
2)checkwith your league
3)check with your league
4)as long as they are not both on the line of scrimmage at the same time, i don't see why not.

in big people ball (as opposed to miniature ball), there is only 1 forward pass allowed per play, and no forward passes are allowed beyond the line of scrimmage. other than that, the ball cn be thrown just about anywhere, just not to a lineman. as far as recreating that, in our league you are allowed to adjust the receiver after the pass is completed, so one could run a back towards the sideline to help set up this sort of a play.

[NEW CASTLE HiTMEN]

Good post! Jimbo excellent website. I can spend all day on that site.

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,

Its great talking football with the greats, in the DFW League they let you angle your players (wr's, rb's, lineman). So when trying to get a playbook together for this league or any other league you must figure out what's right

IN YOUR ESTIMATION

What's a sufficient playbook in electric football ?

1) how many offensive plays ?
2) how many defensive plays ?

DO YOU GUY'S HAVE PLAYS JUST FOR THE RED ZONE ?

Say you have a super strong defensive lineman, can you put him in as running back or as a extra blocker in the backfield for GOALINE PURPOSES ?


O. K. So i can throw the ball to whoever i want (receiver or back) behind the line of srimmage as long as the qb is not beyond the LOS ?

THANX
MANTARAY- DRE

please, everyone chime in with the wisdom of football ! I hope this post helps many other coaches and not just myself. If you already know your stuff just read this a refresher course !!!!!!!!

DO YOU GUY'S RUN STUNTS ON DEFENSE (BLITZ PACKAGES, ETC ETC).

Ant, please elaborate on the bump and run, it seems receivers are open all day in tourneys (mine included). I see the DB'S will have to cover a area.

EACH LEAGUE IS SO DIFFERENT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR GUY'S FROM VARIOUS LEAGUES TAKE ON HOW THE GO ABOUT THERE GAMEPLANS !!!!!

HOW IMPORTANT ARE THE SAFETIES IN YOUR DEFENSIVE ARSENOL

[TVsCHACHI]

I often run 5 lineman capped by two TEs, a WR in the slot, and three in the backfield (QB, RB, RB). The TEs make it a little harder for loopers, they create creases for RBs and they get open. Stick to one formation and mix up your play calls, it'll keep your offense poker-faced

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by TVsCHACHI

Dre,

please explain the plays which were contested, I assumed as long as you had a legitimate formation: 7 on the line, receivers as ends, RB in the tackle box (Pro Rules) you were good to go. I know some leagues do not allow the qb to block on a running play, that makes sense.

I'm not clear on what you are saying.

What if your slot-man is on a TTC, you set him to spin, you run the board 1 sec, hit him with the TTQ, he's behind the line so you can adjust, take him off spin, your wide-out on that end is set to block, you have an alley, pick up yards, move the chain. Is this all good?

I dig you,
I dream of plays, I'm not kidding, I run plays in my sleep,
I would like a 'play-book', the bread-n-butter plays, etc.


Good post!

Make sure you get your "Tweak" in the next 2 issues, I will unveil at least 3 offensive plays (yes that is right) with full diagrams and specail notes for adding to your playbook.

These plays are "money plays" that work on any field, any style (FOB or AT) and have worked on many a coach over the years..............

K-LO

[TVsCHACHI]

Heck YEAH!!!

[Anthony D Burgess]

All are very good question, but I believe that checking with your league is not really a viable answer as many leagues don't clearly address this. No desrespect to any league.

Yes you can put a TE on both sides, you can have 3 TE, one on one sideand two on the other with the one TE lined up in the back field.

1)A swing Pass: Throwing to a receiver when he is open should be the limit. Setting a limit on whem you can pass to a receiver is like playing football with a blindfold on.

2)Quick Pass: The slant ! Again this should be done when the WR is open and this type of play is based on timing.

3)QB Shotgun:This is design to get the QB away from the pass rush and give him more time to make his reads. His reads tell him were to go with the ball.

4)Yes answer in in #1

In order to perform these types of play you can't limit the games ability. If the defense puts pressure on the QB that will force him to, 1 buy time by moving, 2 go to another WR, 3 throw the ball away, 4 take the sack.

But when you give one chance to do any of the above then the you place a restriction on the proper function of football.

Reaction: Being able to react opens up the door to perform all these eliments. Think of it like this. You have a car, but you put the club on the steering wheel and drive someplace, your going to limit the performace of the car.
But with out the club on the steering wheel you're unlocking all the abilities of the car. A good friend told me that.

When you place a limit on the ability of playing football then you hender the ability to run actual football plays.

1) Snap od the ball this sets you're offensive blocking, and the defense countering, while the QB strats his reads.
2) QB eithers hands the ball off, passes, or sets in the pocket to allow his receiver to get open. Defense counters
3) Sure up the protection, pass to the open receiver, roll out to guy time if needed, delayed hand off (draw). Defense counters
4) Every thing is breaking down at this point, advantages is leaning to the defense QB must, throw, or run. Last chacne. Defense counters.

Without this you will never achieve the full potential of playing real football with minatures. This is the chess match that makes the game play like it does move and counter move.

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

COACHES,


Can i put a TE on both sides of the line and not put any wr's on the line ?


!) swing pass to the running back, if the ball is on the 25 yard line and the qb drops back to pass, at what point can i hit the running coming out iof the backfield ? Does he have to cross the 25 yard line or can i hit him before he gets there ?

2) Quick out pass to a slot receceiver, at what point (exact yardline) can i throw a quick out thats legal ? 1) dropping back to pass 2) in the shotgun ?

3) qb in the shotgun position, the runningbacks are lets say a yard ahead of him or right next to him, at what point can i throw it to the running backs coming out of the backfield ?

4) can two tight ends line up right next to each other ?

THANX
MANTARAY- DRE


Also, Have you seen when a qb drops back then swings it out to the running, isn't the running behind the line of scrimmage ? This is where im getting coonfused. I use to see Montana hit Rathman all the time coming out of the backfield. Im just trying to figure out how to run that in miniaturefootball.

Is it impossible to run a running back to receiver reverse behind the line of scrim ? ala santana moss !

[Anthony D Burgess]

It's not as it appears. With the correct use of the Pass Placement, SS, LB's Do what they are intended to do in pass defense. they have the chance to make a play on the ball. Position of the defeders take away types of pass routes. It also gives the pass rush time to get to the QB.
It totally eliminates luck, and puts it on the skill of coaching. A good DB is able to runn with the WR, not mug him at the line. This opens the door of opportinity for Pass intetference on both the WR and DB, gives the DB a chance to get an INT. And many more.

Just because a WR is running down field doesn't mean he is open. It might be a 5 yard Pass Placement stick for the WR, but the DB may have to run 8 yards or the SS may have to run 7 yards. All have a right to the ball and can make a play on the ball once the board is turned on, at that point it's up to the players not the coach.
The coach has done his job by placing the players in the right position to make plays.

When you bump, the side that the DB's helmet is on is the side he must stay on when he runs with the WR, if on the inside then the WR has the out route open, if on the out side then the WR has the slant. If the LB stays home then he takes away the slant by the WR, and with the SS up top the WR is not open for a 3 yard Pass Placement stick, but might be open for a bullet pass (TTQB)

Football players are smart and this should be reflected in how you play. They are not dumb. They don't just do one thing, they do many things on a given play. Opportunity to make plays is the name of the game, lets not limit the opportunity.

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

COACHES,

Its great talking football with the greats, in the DFW League they let you angle your players (wr's, rb's, lineman). So when trying to get a playbook together for this league or any other league you must figure out what's right

IN YOUR ESTIMATION

What's a sufficient playbook in electric football ?

1) how many offensive plays ?
2) how many defensive plays ?

DO YOU GUY'S HAVE PLAYS JUST FOR THE RED ZONE ?

Say you have a super strong defensive lineman, can you put him in as running back or as a extra blocker in the backfield for GOALINE PURPOSES ?


O. K. So i can throw the ball to whoever i want (receiver or back) behind the line of srimmage as long as the qb is not beyond the LOS ?

THANX
MANTARAY- DRE

please, everyone chime in with the wisdom of football ! I hope this post helps many other coaches and not just myself. If you already know your stuff just read this a refresher course !!!!!!!!

DO YOU GUY'S RUN STUNTS ON DEFENSE (BLITZ PACKAGES, ETC ETC).

Ant, please elaborate on the bump and run, it seems receivers are open all day in tourneys (mine included). I see the DB'S will have to cover a area.

EACH LEAGUE IS SO DIFFERENT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR GUY'S FROM VARIOUS LEAGUES TAKE ON HOW THE GO ABOUT THERE GAMEPLANS !!!!!

HOW IMPORTANT ARE THE SAFETIES IN YOUR DEFENSIVE ARSENOL