Holding Receivers At The Los "how Did This Start ?

[Coach K-LO]

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

Reg,


Im sure coasches are going to want and see this chuck and turn in action.
sounds like a you tube moment. Im sure you trained your players to do it but i've never seen a DB turn and run with the receiver. he alway's goes straight ahead or out of bounds out of the play to make a play. I can see coaches having there db's lineup along side the receivers running in the same direction and having them angled to knock the receiver off course within a certain amount yards (7 to 10 yards i guess).


MANTARAYDRE

Dre,

the more you play, the more you will see some of these things in action. RR makes a good point, but I can achive the same thing from a traditional figure are the CB spot.

Keep on working on your team ..... you will begin to see some of these things the more you line up and play!!!!

[MplsTom]

Personally, I don't mind the holding at the LOS. There are numerous ways to combat this:

- Slot receivers angled
- Pick plays
- Backfield receivers
- Receivers that curve hard

To me, if the guy gets a good hold, then he, in essense, "covered" the receiver that play.

There are great passers in the hobby that can hit 90% of their passes easy. Many of them go 5-wide every play. Giving these guys "more offense" I don't think is necessary.

Also, when guys create their DB's, are they fast and can they curve into the QB so if they do release or the receiver pivots to another defender, then they are still doing something valuable in making the QB short-switch?? I don't mind that happening as I usually have a safety over the top on each side (cover 2).

One passing variation I would love to see is to take any unengaged defender within a certain radius (let's use blue-stick) and be able to position him anywhere behind the receiver...just to make the great passers "think."

You could then remove the guy and say that he went for the pick and not the tackle in a rule set where the guy gets to keep on running.

[mantaraydre]

does anyone have any pics of their cover corners as of 4/14/2008


lets see the difference in the arm extension's that have been discussed ?


Reg, i asked before, during the initial set up within the 35 seconds before any audibles or anything thing else, can the receivers be angled. When you answered before i think you thought i was saying after the clock expires.

When im setting up my play and i place my receiver down on the board, can i point him in any direction before the 35-45 clocks stops. "EAST, WEST ,NORTH, SOUTH, NORTHWEST, SOUTHEAST, SLOTS POINTING EAST AND WEST (> <) ( ON THE LINE LIKE THIS / \ OR / / OR \ \ OR > / OR \ > "

THANX
LET ME KNOW

MANTARAYDRE


REG, ALSO, WHEN YOU AUDIBLE, DOES THE QB HAVE TO STAY BEHIND THE CENTER ON A RUN PLAY ? CA YOU MOVE HIM OVER BEHIND THE TACKLE ?

I SAW YOU DEMONSTRATE AN AUDIBLE ONCE RUNNING A SWEEP AND IM NOT SURE YOUR QB REMAINED BEHIND THE CENTER


PS/ ATT JIMBO, SAME QUESTION APPLIES IN REGARDS TO ANGLING THE REICIVERS BEHIND THE DIVIDER ONCE THE SLOT NUMBER IS CALLED OUT.

[Michigan Joe]

Dre,
If you want to see some non-grabbing corners, take a look at my Lions corners (pictures are under thread called "custom '95 lions"). I created these corners to have the figure leaning well beyond the front of the base (similar to the arms of the Buzzball cover corner) but without two extended arms to hold. I believe that I have two solid corners in these figures in that they are very physical (low center of gravity) and I can play them head on with the flat front pro line rookie or I can play them at a very slight angle where they bump hard and then they turn to cover a deep part of the field. The key for them to be able to turn is that they are on arcing bases and that the figure is extended beyond the front edge of the base. You can play them inside leverage (and at a slight angle to the reciever) and they can bump and run and stay in between the QB and reciever. Other times I bump them from outside leverage and let them arc in towards the backfield for run support. Mind you, I don't play in a league yet but these are the things I'm working on and I believe that these techniques can be successful. In many leagues, the board speed is high so its pretty tough for the corner to be asked to simply smash mouth the reciever without the reciever releasing past for some big plays. Obviously you can play safties over the top but if you could get at least one of your corners to turn back and not give up the big play then that opens the defense up to having another blitzer. Just my thoughts...gotta get back to work now
Joe

[Reginald Rutledge]

does anyone have any pics of their cover corners as of 4/14/2008

Ans. I will try to do a Youtube with this being shown.


Reg, i asked before, during the initial set up within the 35 seconds before any audibles or anything thing else, can the receivers be angled. When you answered before i think you thought i was saying after the clock expires.

Ans. Yes they can be angled before the set up clock has not expired. Not a problem.

When im setting up my play and i place my receiver down on the board, can i point him in any direction before the 35-45 clocks stops. "EAST, WEST ,NORTH, SOUTH, NORTHWEST, SOUTHEAST, SLOTS POINTING EAST AND WEST (> <) ( ON THE LINE LIKE THIS / \ OR / / OR \ \ OR > / OR \ > "

Ans. Absolutely! You can point him backwards if you would like. Any angle is okay because we are still simulating motion with the player angled.


REG, ALSO, WHEN YOU AUDIBLE, DOES THE QB HAVE TO STAY BEHIND THE CENTER ON A RUN PLAY ? CA YOU MOVE HIM OVER BEHIND THE TACKLE ?

Ans. He has to stay in the QB zone only. He can not be moved behind the tackle. As long as he's 15 yards or less and as long as he is in the QB zone, he's okay.


I SAW YOU DEMONSTRATE AN AUDIBLE ONCE RUNNING A SWEEP AND IM NOT SURE YOUR QB REMAINED BEHIND THE CENTER

Asn. There are many ways to run a sweep. I will have to show you a power sweep where the left guard kicks out, the QB is angled around right end, the FB is turned during the audible portion, the RGpinches out and the RT pinches in on the DT.

Sweeps can be ran using these players but you have to allow for a maintenance process to allow this to happen.

Reg

Originally Posted by MANTARAY- DRE

PS/ ATT JIMBO, SAME QUESTION APPLIES IN REGARDS TO ANGLING THE REICIVERS BEHIND THE DIVIDER ONCE THE SLOT NUMBER IS CALLED OUT.

Any and all WRs/TEs can be angled any which way. Once the SD is lifted, DBs get a "free" move to align themselves on any angled or slotted WR/TE. Then "if" the Offense chooses to angle his WR the other way ala "deek him" he can, but then the DB can ONLY angle this time, he cannot slide or motion in front of the WR.

I'll youtube a clip for ALL to see. Maybe then we don't have to demo it as long at The SWB in June.

[mantaraydre]

JIMBO/REG,


Im asking these questions because believe it or not, some dont know this and some are not really sure.

1) When i played ernest i angled all my receivers and he stop the play saying i could not do that. I told him i asked you if that was legal and he said he never saw nothing like that done before. He was not thrilled with the idea !

THAT'S WHY I PUT THIS OUT THERE SO EVERYBODY IN THE B A M AND THE D F W KNOWS THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Reg please relay this to wally and mozeek so all coaches know this is acceptable.


JIMBO/ As much as someone may read the rules for the brawl they may not no this is allowed. This can change a coaches gameplan in preparing for the brawl. It's better to know right now than to call you over during many games asking what is going on.

YOUTUBE ON BOTH FRONTS WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. THERE MAY BE COACHES WHO ARE NOT %100 SURE WHAT THEY CAN DO ONCE THAT STRAT DIVIDER IS LIFTED.

It does'nt hurt to discuss it now anyway, might as well get prepared.


MANTARAYDRE

[broncoman]

i play my corners from the side to run with the corners. but to help get your receivers open, we in the laefl can and do use boat bases. i think texas does to. this helps off set the cover corner.
if more leagues would allow boat bases and receivers to be hit while they are ingaged, offenses would move a lot easier. and on the other hand ,def just mite get a few pics.
just my thoughts and 1 cent!

broncoman

[jwoopie]

I Fully Agree With All Said, Of Course This Came About Years Ago, But The Offense Has The Full Advantage. In My Offensive Set My (wr), (td)'s Etc..... Has Their Assignments. They Are Set To Block-run Curls Or Crossing Pattern. It's About The Base That Player Is On And What Type Of Play You're Running. I'm Basically A Running Team, Because Of My Poor Passing Game, But I Can Get My Receiver Open As Well As Other Coaches In The League. Many Games Are Won On The Last Play. When The Game Tight We Fear The Wide Out As Well As The Run!!!!!!!!!!! The Game Has Been Modified With Differ Type Of Figures That Cover Corners Only Know What The End Zone Of The Opposing Team Looks Like